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PC Building Guide and Discussion #14

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Osprey said:


To summarize, the 7900 XTX is generally on par with the 4080 in rasterized gaming and on par with the 3090 Ti in ray traced gaming. He questions whether the $200 savings is enough to make it more attractive than the 4080. Performance is also disappointing compared to the 6950 XT. That's mostly what the "overhyped" and "underdelivered" in the thumbnail refer to, since AMD led us to expect 1.5-1.7x the performance of the 6950 XT and they saw only 1.4x. Claims aside, the closeness to the 6950 XT could mean room for driver improvements.
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I feel the only reviewer who thought very highly of it was Linus of the ones I've seen. Seems most are basically saying while maybe not as egregious as the 4080 in price to performance, it's not really the kick in the butt people thought Nvidia needed after the price to performance on the 4080. Seems AMD hasn't really launched either 7000 CPUs or GPUs particularly strong this year, which isn't good for consumers since the two areas they compete in for regular consumers (so not thread ripper or Epyc level CPUs) are controlled by two companies (GPU-Nvidia/AMD, CPU-Intel/AMD).
 
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It's just a bad time for GPUs overall right now and that has been the case ever since the crypto mining boom. The used market may be where it's at right now depending on your region. Having no warranty is risky but paying the prices that these manufacturers are demanding is just simply insane to me.
 
If you thought that he was hard on the 7900 XTX yesterday...


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If you thought that Steve from Hardware Unboxed was hard on the 7900 XTX yesterday...


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Gamers Nexus was equally hard on the 7900xt. The most positive argument I've seen so far is that it's not $1200 USD. Will be interesting to see where value actually emerges this gen in the mid to lower end of the skew. I doubt it will emerge with the 4070ti either (aka the original lower end 4080). But, if your an enthusiast and you really want to upgrade and go high-end the options aren't particularly great. Doing my first build this year and trying to build something significantly more powerful than my PS5 given that PC will always lack the optimization of consoles led me to buying an equally overpriced 3080ti (thankfully after the mining crash and before the Christmas rush).
 
A con that TechPowerUp brought up was that even if the aftermarket ones were $100 more, it still puts it $100 closer to the 4080, making the 4080 more enticing.

The only reason I'm not going to a 4080 or 4090 is because of the size. When I do my next build, I want something 3 slots or less and can fit into a Lian Li H2O SFFPC case.
 
Looking like the RTX 4080 (and I would assume by extension the 7900 XTX and XT) has been a monumental flop...price cut incoming?

 
Love GamersNexus and them calling out trash like this. AMD and Nvidia need to realize that consumers are not dumb and understand that performance per dollar matter and we will not be fooled.
 
aleshemsky83 said:
Looking like the RTX 4080 (and I would assume by extension the 7900 XTX and XT) has been a monumental flop...price cut incoming?

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I don't think Nvidia will have a massive cut on prices for 4000 anytime soon. They are trying to move out as much of the RTX 3000 series (so 3090s and 3080s) still around before they consider cutting the price on 4000. The prices on the 4000 seem intended to upsell you to 4090s or go high end 3000 series, especially if you workload relies on Nvidia features such as Cuda core. They'd be more likely just lower price on 3000 series gpus to move those before they aggressively cut on 4080s.
 
You never notice this until you have a 120 gb boot drive, but windows uses up an INSANE amount of space. It literally uses up like 70-80 gb. I'm assuming it increases exponentially based on the number of applications you have installed because it requires massive restore point and hibernation files. I've uninstalled as many as humanly possible at this point and still only have 16 gb of space.

I've gotta get 512 gb ssd to replace the drive, but its gonna be a headache cause I'll need to remove my PSU to unscrew the boot drive.
 
That's why a 1TB boot drive is recommended not only because Windows takes a lot of space but also storage is cheaper than ever. You can get good NVMe drives for under a $100.
 
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aleshemsky83 said:
You never notice this until you have a 120 gb boot drive, but windows uses up an INSANE amount of space. It literally uses up like 70-80 gb. I'm assuming it increases exponentially based on the number of applications you have installed because it requires massive restore point and hibernation files. I've uninstalled as many as humanly possible at this point and still only have 16 gb of space.

I've gotta get 512 gb ssd to replace the drive, but its gonna be a headache cause I'll need to remove my PSU to unscrew the boot drive.
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Yeah, my previous system had a 120GB boot and it was getting nearly unmanageable. Went with 512GB boot on the new system and a 1TB drive for games and other non-critical binaries.

Kinda crazy when the page and hibernate files are combining for 52GB of space.
 
I had heard windows 11 was bad but oh man I didn’t know it could be this bad. Constant freezes and crashes. I might actually have to go back to windows 10 if this doesn’t stop.
 
aleshemsky83 said:
I had heard windows 11 was bad but oh man I didn’t know it could be this bad. Constant freezes and crashes. I might actually have to go back to windows 10 if this doesn’t stop.
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Make sure that you're using the latest motherboard BIOS, chipset driver and graphics driver. You could also try disabling the TPM in your BIOS, disabling that and Secure Boot or reinstalling 11 with the TPM disabled and using one of several hacks. The vast majority of stability issues with 11 are due to the TPM "requirement."
 
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Make sure that you're using the latest motherboard BIOS, chipset driver and graphics driver. You could also try disabling the TPM in your BIOS, disabling that and Secure Boot or reinstalling 11 with the TPM disabled and using one of several hacks. The vast majority of stability issues with 11 are due to the TPM "requirement."
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Yeah, good suggestions.
Windows 11 hasn't really been blowing me away, but it's been okay. The one thing I do hate is the current volume mixer and I think some of the new right click menu icons are pointless(for example does anyone really need a scissor icon for the 'Cut' function???)
 
Yeah with my new PC this is my first experience with Windows 11 too. The right click menu is definitely a needless change. I should know the KB shortcut for editing the name of a file/folder but I don't, and when I right-clicked I was like "where the heck is Rename" lol.

Also my USB keyboard and mouse aren't waking my PC from sleep. Gotta press the button on the case to do it. Same mouse and keyboard work fine in this regard for windows 10. Everything seems set up right in the power options, poking around the BIOS didn't reveal anything and the drivers seems correct but I haven't spent much time troubleshooting it yet. Would be nice to figure that out.

Otherwise it seems fine so far.
 
Real interesting Nvidia announcement, really the only one that interests me. Youtube AI upscaling coming to nvidia gpus.
 
I will say, the gulf between the $800 MSRP of the 4070 Ti and the 4080 ($1200 MSRP) is very interesting and weird. The thing is, there really is no in between for 4070 Ti and 4080 (Ti I think took over the Super?). Unless it's setting up the 4080 to come down in price (maybe to $1000 MSRP)?
 
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