Paul Kariya vs Pavel Bure

[amnesiac]

Ohh so you’ve switched seasons after you original argument fell flat

Leading the league in goals
Then leading the league in playoff goals

How was Kariya’s best season including playoffs

Go ahead I’ll wait

2nd vs 12th for the Hart..... thats all you need to know. Goals isnt everything believe it or not. Kariya had 7G 13P in 11GP int he playoffs that year btw.

Its the fact hat you said Bure's peak "easily" cleared Kariya's, which is just a dumb and ignorant statement given the bolded fact above.

Get a f***ing clue. Seriously.

this poll isnt even asking who had the better peak, so your reading comprehension is just as poor as your reasoning. Come back when you acutally make sense.

 

[The Burdened]

Peak Bure was in a different league

 

[Fantomas]

I saw post-prime Kariya and ugh. Bure never sucked.

 

[JackSlater]

It's close but I'd go with Bure. Perhaps a matter of preference more than anything else. I'd like to see what Bure could have done in a situation like Kariya was in where he had a very elite linemate and didn't have any defensive responsibility.

 

[Breakers]

2nd vs 12th for the Hart..... thats all you need to know. Goals isnt everything believe it or not.

Its the fact hat you said Bure's peak "easily" cleared Kariya's, which is just a dumb and ignorant statement given the bolded fact above.

Get a f***ing clue. Seriously.

this poll isnt asking who had the better peak, so your reading comprehension is just as poor as your reasoning. Come back when you acutally make sense.

Reading comprehension?
Dude you thought I was talking about 2 seasons and couldn’t do basic math.
Brain Rot levels of ability to understand
And you replied to me, not the other way around.

Stop embarrassing yourself
I never said regular season, you assumed that. I included playoffs.

Kariya ain’t touching 94 bure as a complete season

 

[EXTRAS]

Two players who for a lot of their best years weren't getting much help.

Think 1 year bure had 59 goals and 92 points. 2nd on his team in points was 37! Lol

1 year kariya had 50 goals and 108 points.
2nd on his team was 43 points! Lol.

That was when bure was in Florida. But he also had no other real 1st liners to play with in Vancouver. Shame a lot of his prime was wasted. At least the canucks made that unexpected run in 94 playoffs.

Glad selanne went to Anaheim and him and kariya got to show off for a few years. Was fun.

 

[Romang67]

Peak Bure was in a different league

Well yeah, Peak Kariya was in the NCAA.

I saw post-prime Kariya and ugh. Bure never sucked.

That will happen when you retire at 31.

 

[Fantomas]

That will happen when you retire at 31.

While true, it's impossible to overlook the fact that Bure never sucked. Meanwhile the concussions led to a rapid decline for Kariya very early in his career and a sad denouement.

 

[leaffann]

If Kariya did not play C maybe a stupid question, Kariya did play 287 more games that Bure.

GWG Bure 59 Kariya 54
SHG Bure 34 Kariya 17
SHP Bure 49 Kariya 23
Career best season goals Bure 60 Kariya 50
Career best season points Bure 110 Kariya 107
PowerPlay G Bure 121 Kariya 139
Career goals Bure 437 Kariya 402
PointsPG career Bure 1.11 Kariya 1.00

* Love Paul Kariya a great player but for those that have watched both, Bure undoubtedly the better player also faster & a better goal scorer.

 

[amnesiac]

Reading comprehension?
Dude you thought I was talking about 2 seasons and couldn’t do basic math.
Brain Rot levels of ability to understand
And you replied to me, not the other way around.

Stop embarrassing yourself
I never said regular season, you assumed that. I included playoffs.

Kariya ain’t touching 94 bure as a complete season

im not even arguing that Bure may have even had a slightly better complete season, its the fact that you say "easily clears" a guy who finished 2nd in Hart voting and still had 13P in 11 playoff games. Its not as if Bure finished 5th in Hart voting, he was freakin 12th!

And again, what was the point anyways if this poll isnt asking who had the better "peak"? yeah, reading comprehension....

you just come off as another ignorant HF poster on top of your childish "LOL" response. Congrats!

 

[StreetHawk]

Good question, kind of a matter of taste. I think a young and uninjured Kariya was just a little better than a young and uninjured Bure, but it was close. Bure remained a top-tier player for a little longer, but Bure is also one of the few superstars who had even less saying power than Kariya after 30. It’s a coin flip between them imo.

Also whether you value goal scoring more.

Kariya played longer, nearly 300 games more. His PPG was basically a PPG. Bure was 76 points above a PPG.

Kariya was a 40/60 split between G/A. Bure, more a 55/45 split.

Kariya offered more variety in terms of what he can do.

 

[surixon]

I'd say Kariya by a bit because he was a more multifaceted offensive player.

 

[Breakers]

im not even arguing that Bure may have even had a slightly better complete season, its the fact that you say "easily clears" a guy who finished 2nd in Hart voting and still had 13P in 11 playoff games. Its not as if Bure finished 5th in Hart voting, he was freakin 12th!

And again, what was the point anyways if this poll isnt asking who had the better "peak"? yeah, reading comprehension....

you just come off as another ignorant HF poster on top of your childish "LOL" response. Congrats!

Multiple people bringing up “peak” and you’re triggered over people mentioning it.

You embarrassed yourself with your replies

Brain Rot levels of stupidity

 

[Three On Zero]

Bure was doing things back in the day that only McDavid is doing now.


A lot of what ifs had he stayed healthy his entire career

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

Bure never had a Selanne to play with...

 

[Maurice of Orange]

Pavel Bure much faster skater, Paul Kariya is the better shooter.

Was a fan of both players but I’d give the edge to Pavel.

 

[authentic]

Kariya was the better player. Not close.

Hmm, not sure how one reaches this conclusion really.

I think Kariya had the potential to be slightly better but at their bests I will take Bure by a hair.

 

[mrmovies779]

Injuries really killed Bure,or we are likely talking about a top 10 player of all time.He was that good

 

[bleedgreen]

Another one where you had to be old enough to see both of them at their best. Bure was more explosive and pre injury it’s hard to find a guy more electrifying that could break open a game, and he was always playing at 11 out of 10. Kariya was explosive as well but had more poise and playmaking. He chose his moments more and was the more intelligent player. My first instinct was to say Bure but I don’t think it’s that easy. Kariya had more ways to change a game it seemed. If you had to pick one guy for one game at their peaks I’d have to take Bure but over a career I’d lean Kariya.

Injuries really killed Bure,or we are likely talking about a top 10 player of all time.He was that good

You could say similar about Kariya though.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Was a huge fan of both players but Bure was the one player who would literally get everyone out of their seats every time he was on the ice. He sold a ton of tickets in Vancouver, people would go just to watch him play. The acceleration he would get from a standstill was unreal, he would give McDavid a run for his money in fastest skater.

 

[BraveCanadian]

ITT: people mistaking excitement for effectiveness

 

[Regal]

ITT: people mistaking excitement for effectiveness

I’m not sure how Kariya showed to be clearly more effective. Their numbers aren’t that different and Bure never got an elite linemate

 

[DRL]

Bure never had a Selanne to play with...

He had mogilny for a season and change.

 

[Regal]

He had mogilny for a season and change.

He was still recovering from injury though

 

[tarheelhockey]

After reading these replies I feel confident saying this was an excellent poll question.