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Patriots/NFL Patriots hiring Mike Vrabel, a franchise Hall of Famer, as head coach

That they are reaching out to Ben Johnson is encouraging to me, perhaps it’s a real search. Vrabel seems inevitable but if he was truly locked in I don’t think they’d bother asking Ben Johnson
 
smithformeragent said:
Mayo said way too much.

I get that he wanted to be a player's coach and friendly to the media in contrast to his predecessor.

Starting with "We're going to burn cash in free agency." through calling the team soft, or even saying they were going to start Antonio Gibson and then starting Stevenson.

We know that in the past those conversations would have been "We're going to do what's best for our football team." and "I've got to coach it better. We've got to execute better."

There has to be a different approach that maintains a level of professionalism and integrity without looking like a horse's ass in the process.
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half the time in his interviews he still sounded like a player and not a head coach.
 
I know some will say, "Oh, so now they're firing the guy everyone wanted fired in the wrong way, is that the complaint" but yes, firing Mayo within an hour of that game rather than this morning is bush league amateur hour shit. Makes them look petty and, as usual, overly sensitive and highly defensive.

This organization is not in a good place and hasn't been for a few years now. The only reason they have hope to fix anything is Drake Maye.
 
CDJ said:
That they are reaching out to Ben Johnson is encouraging to me, perhaps it’s a real search. Vrabel seems inevitable but if he was truly locked in I don’t think they’d bother asking Ben Johnson
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The optimist in me says Vrabel is the leader in the clubhouse, but the lead's not so insurmountable that someone else couldn't beat him out.

The cynic in me says an organization known for being cheap is simply using other interviews as a negotiating tactic to keep Vrabel's price down.
 
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EverettMike said:
I know some will say, "Oh, so now they're firing the guy everyone wanted fired in the wrong way, is that the complaint" but yes, firing Mayo within an hour of that game rather than this morning is bush league amateur hour shit. Makes them look petty and, as usual, overly sensitive and highly defensive.

This organization is not in a good place and hasn't been for a few years now. The only reason they have hope to fix anything is Drake Maye.
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The Krafts wanted to "take their organization back".

Now the best thing they can do is hand the keys to a Vrabel and gtfo of the way and let him run the program.
 
Wolf re-signed all of Belichick's players from a 4-13 team, let tons of cap space go unused despite the team having giant holes everywhere, then after taking the only player he would even be allowed to take at #3 had one of the single worst drafts in NFL history.

What the f*** has he done to keep his job? What the f*** did he do to deserve it in the first place?
 
EverettMike said:
Wolf re-signed all of Belichick's players from a 4-13 team, let tons of cap space go unused despite the team having giant holes everywhere, then after taking the only player he would even be allowed to take at #3 had one of the single worst drafts in NFL history.

What the f*** has he done to keep his job? What the f*** did he do to deserve it in the first place?
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He did exactly what Kraft wanted him to do, penny pinch
 
robert just said elliot will be involved in the coaching decision so he's not going anywhere
 
Feel like i'm stupid for struggling to understand Kraft on his cap spending comment. So there's no internal cap but over a three year period he wants them to be below it
 
oh wonderful the patriots changed their grading system for the draft this year according to robert
 
EverettMike said:
Wolf re-signed all of Belichick's players from a 4-13 team, let tons of cap space go unused despite the team having giant holes everywhere, then after taking the only player he would even be allowed to take at #3 had one of the single worst drafts in NFL history.

What the f*** has he done to keep his job? What the f*** did he do to deserve it in the first place?
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Don't need to use every single cap dollar on a losing season. But, should have invested in helping the QB, thus improve OL and add weapons. Unlike the NHL, you can carry forward cap space in the NFL. See how aggressive they will be after seeing what Maye can do. No excuses for not spending in 2025.
 
StreetHawk said:
Don't need to use every single cap dollar on a losing season. But, should have invested in helping the QB, thus improve OL and add weapons. Unlike the NHL, you can carry forward cap space in the NFL. See how aggressive they will be after seeing what Maye can do. No excuses for not spending in 2025.
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Not improving the line was indefensible considering your rookie QB might end up starting at some point.
 
EverettMike said:
I know some will say, "Oh, so now they're firing the guy everyone wanted fired in the wrong way, is that the complaint" but yes, firing Mayo within an hour of that game rather than this morning is bush league amateur hour shit. Makes them look petty and, as usual, overly sensitive and highly defensive.

This organization is not in a good place and hasn't been for a few years now. The only reason they have hope to fix anything is Drake Maye.
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I can even entertain an argument that firing him at all is bush league move. First time head coach, terrible roster. It's one thing for fans calling for firings but Kraft just looks so bad and inept for firing Mayo after one season given the BS he spewed in introductory press conference.

The only thing I would say to Mayo is he sorta stabbed Bill in the back and now he knows how it feels. His only coaching connection was Belichick. Very curious to see where he lands. Given how bad defense was I think he's starting as a co DC at best somewhere and a good chance he has to start as LB coach. Or maybe he tries media/return to Optum.
 
BernieMcAvoy said:
Feel like i'm stupid for struggling to understand Kraft on his cap spending comment. So there's no internal cap but over a three year period he wants them to be below it
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Surprised he even went into those details as it doesn't really help his image
 
Kudos to Everett Mike who was a champion to draft Drake Maye who looks like a star.

EverettMike said:
You can make a convincing argument it's the single worst pick Belichick ever made because the mistakes with the pick went far beyond the player he took.
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every year for gotta be 15 drafts me and @LouJersey draft along in real time for both Vikings & Patriots since we are aware of boths needs

We can rarely get Belichick right and often it’s wild with perfect player for need falling into lap and he trades back

But when Bill’s GM, Nick Caserio or Thomas Demitrioff went to other places those guys took the guys we wanted for Patriots

Scott Pioli in KC

Lou will probably agree all the former Patriots guys now GM’s were ripping thru the Dan/Lou we like this guy list & Bill taking Ros-I, Nkiel Harry, Cole Strange and constantly trading back with his buds building their teams (hello Chiefs)
 
I want Vrabel so much more than Ben Johnson.

Ben Johnson has Adam Gase written all over him to me. When he doesn’t have the best offensive line of the last 20 years on his new team I just don’t think it’s going to look the same.

Give me the guy who has already proven he can build a shitty team into a contender as a head coach.
 
Shaun said:
robert just said elliot will be involved in the coaching decision so he's not going anywhere
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This is why we can't have nice things. They fire Bill but keep all his lackeys around. The same group of stiffs that were involved in the shitty picks that all missed over the last 5-6 years and counting. The same group that traded down when Ladd McConkey was available and took Polk instead. And why? Because they didn't think McConkey was anything other than a slot receiver and they felt they had it covered with Pop Douglas.
 
Johnnyduke said:
The Bills didn't help. They went out of their way to lose the game. Smart move from a divisional opponent. The Bills are our daddy.
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I'm surprised Jonathan Kraft or his father didn't make abundantly clear to Mayo that the game should be thrown, gently and elegantly.
 
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