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I just don't think he was that good. As others mentioned, playing in the IHL in the 90s as an underager helped inflate players' perceived value. Some guys just dominate lower leagues and it doesn't translate in the NHL. I don't think he was ever destined to be a top NHLer.
 
he was never going to be great--when he was drafted there was hope he would be like Thomas Steen--

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl1999e.html

3 guys taken in the 7th round have more points then all but 3 of the players taken in the first round

it was not a deep draft and if the nucks did not do what they did--Stefen would have gone 3rd or 4th

Honestly I think the Thrashers screwed the pooch not making the Sedin trade.

Tampa traded out of the draft completely with the #1 and the Thrashers 2000 #1 had plenty of value as an expansion team and their 2nds were sure to be high. Plus Burke's negotiating turned people off.

The Sedins would have been great to build a franchise around.
 
Honestly I think the Thrashers screwed the pooch not making the Sedin trade.

Tampa traded out of the draft completely with the #1 and the Thrashers 2000 #1 had plenty of value as an expansion team and their 2nds were sure to be high. Plus Burke's negotiating turned people off.

The Sedins would have been great to build a franchise around.

That might have been a tough series of moves to make for an expansion club. Off the top of my head, Tampa moves netted them Niklas Sundstrom, Dan Cloutier, a future #1, and some extra 3rds (they'd then trade Sundstrom for Zyuzin+).

The main problem was that Atlanta had Stefan rated #1. At the time, the Sedins had a good but not great draft year. As goofy as it sounds now, most people seemed to think Tampa was going to take Pavel Brendl #1 in order to give Vinny Lecavalier a winger to work with. Brian Burke was sitting at #3 and proudly declared that nobody was going to get both Sedins except for him since nobody else seemed prepared to take one of them #1.
 
I don't remember the concussions he had in 1998. It didn't seem to bother the scouts. He was still thought to be potentially #1. There was this idea that he was more "NHL ready" than anyone else. This was because he played in the IHL against men already. I remember the quote like it was yesterday in the Hockey News. It said: "Jamie Lundmark is a boy, Patrick Stefan is a man." Not that Lundmark amounted to anything either.

In a similar way, Sergei Samsonov was more "NHL ready" than Joe Thornton in 1997 because of being in the IHL.

and despite the concussions that were associated with him, it was a completely different injury that put him into retirement.

"I can look back and wonder about all the bad things, but for me, it happened and I have to move on. I'm 28 years old and I'm still young. I don't want to look back every day and think about how bad a career it was or whether I should have done this or done that. It's over. I wish I could change what happened, but I can't. I just have to move on and live my life."

His career ended early last season after a few games with SC Bern in the Swiss League. His hip acted up again and a Swiss hip specialist didn't sugarcoat his evaluation.

"When I saw the doctor there, he said there was no question about it, I shouldn't even be thinking about playing hockey," said Stefan. "I should be worried about having a normal life and walking normally. That's how bad it was. And, obviously, I had another surgery and I knew I was done with my career.''

http://espn.go.com/nhl/blog/_/name/...1-pick-patrik-stefan-starting-another-chapter
 
and despite the concussions that were associated with him, it was a completely different injury that put him into retirement.



http://espn.go.com/nhl/blog/_/name/...1-pick-patrik-stefan-starting-another-chapter

When did this injury first pop up? My initial reaction to the first time I saw Stefan in person (rookie season) was that he was more sluggish than I had been lead to believe he would be. But another time the same season he looked to be covering more ground.

If his hip was a chronic, on-off, nagging problem for most of his career, it would better explain why he didn't amount to much than concussions suffered at 17 (for me, at least).
 
It hurts to see 2 czech players in top 4 and both fail... :help:
Stefan never had that good numbers though, no idea how he was considered a 1st pick.
It must feel horrible though to know you were 1st pick and you failed so much. Especially that empty net fail. (Puck hopped, but still)
 
i think a problem with evaluating stefan's potential is none of us saw him when he was supposedly at his best. he didn't play at the WJC like the sedins, and i'd imagine a lot more people watch the WHL, where brendl was basically ottawa-era dany heatley, than the IHL.

another thought: bonk, samsonov, stefan-- sure it's nice that they were dominating against grown men as teengers, but that's grown men in only the second most competitive minor league in north america, with few future superstars in it (compared to the CHL, european leagues, WJC, and even the AHL). it's not exactly yi jianlan posting up a chair, but i think you'd like to see what stefan could do against the best of his peer group.
 
We might have seen a completely different player had he been drafted by a real NHL team.

Nah. All it took was five minutes watching in warmups to see that there was a difference between him and the other blue chips of the time Gaborik/Heatley/LeCavalier/Kovalchuk. They were visibly on a different planet than Stefan from day 1, and three of those were on garbage clubs (two on Stefan's own team).
 
It seems like we have this debate every 2 weeks.... That was a terrible draft, so let that draft speak for Stefan.... The best players from that draft weren't even top picks....

Stefan was certainly never a generational player, he was just considered to be the best player in that draft...
 
no it wasnt and several scouting reports compared Stefen to Steen--he was never called a franchise player by anyone serious

the 1999 draft was called "the project draft" by most because even the top guys were going to need time to develop--there was no clear number 1 and I remember the arguments leading up to the draft on TSN how one guy had one player ranked number one--but the guy next to him had the same player ranked 6

He was absolutely generally considered a potential franchise center.

I wish I still had my RLR and THN draft previews from that year. Stefan was rated similarly to Thornton in 1997 and Lecavalier in 1998 (excluding TB's owner), prior to the concussions.


The main problem was that Atlanta had Stefan rated #1. At the time, the Sedins had a good but not great draft year. As goofy as it sounds now, most people seemed to think Tampa was going to take Pavel Brendl #1 in order to give Vinny Lecavalier a winger to work with. Brian Burke was sitting at #3 and proudly declared that nobody was going to get both Sedins except for him since nobody else seemed prepared to take one of them #1.

The Sedins had a pretty freaking great draft year. They were co-MVPs of the SEL at age 18 and were the best players on a team that crushed that league that year. Possibly the best draft years ever by players in a European league.

It seems like we have this debate every 2 weeks.... That was a terrible draft, so let that draft speak for Stefan.... The best players from that draft weren't even top picks....

Stefan was certainly never a generational player, he was just considered to be the best player in that draft...

Again, this was not considered a poor draft at the time. It was considered loaded with forward talent.
 
Are we talking about 1999, really?

I mean, those were the days, and I‘m looking at you, Czech folks... We weren‘t looking back then, were we? The sky was (NOT) a limit. We had the best forward, the best goalie, the best NT on the planet. (There could have been cases made for some other guys, but we surely felt those cases were all phoney, and in retrospect, we were right.)

A couple of our players went among the top five on the draft. Looking back, when had been the last time it‘d happened?

1990... Nedved at number 2, Jagr at number 5. Look what decade had skated from there. We surely weren‘t feeling like peaking in ‘99, were we?

At least I didn‘t feel so. I was sixteen. Seventeen was ahead of me still.

With how our players born in the eighties ranked in the drafts 1998 and 1999, I never thought the nullties were gonna be so lukewarm for us, let alone that my generation, the eighties-born-buggers, would turn into such frustrating hangover after that splendid party. It was like enjoying the best coffee from a magic mug that promised no dregs endings, suddenly hitting a mire.

For the people who re-bemock that particular draft, the Sedins were HYPED. Not just because there was so many of them at once. Especially Daniel was considered a gem (or was it Henrik? I think NA and Europe saw them differently unless they agreed on Daniel), and if you had a guy like Marty Havlat -- who radiated talent -- going so late in the first round (him staying in the CR played a role, but not sooo big by then), there‘s no way you can -- so wise and confident and witty now -- re-write the draft off as something everyone knew was a turkey even then. Brendl ought to have been blessed with the best hands and shot since (I need a little help here, but I think he was thought of as a cross between Brett Hull and Robitaille or something).

Stefan? Oh yeah, him. Both funny and sad, and full of irony.

To my shock (I‘ll explain later), a couple of months prior to the draft, Paddy was compared to Forsberg.

You didn‘t joke about Foppa back then. In terms of numbers, he may now look like Ron Francis or Doug Weight, but in actual presence, Forsberg was the one to turn the game around when you were down by three, scoring three himself and adding three assists on another, mainly so his ‘mates don‘t whine he‘s sooo selfish (he actually did that very spring against the Panthers). Forsberg was the one to sustain and give away all the crap, looking like a pissed off husky with those polar eyes of his, and by ‘99, even with Sakic and Fleury and all that wing depth the Avs had, with Roy in the net, you knew he was gonna be your best player by the Cup time, simply because he had been made for the play-offs. With all THAT skill and with that rugged look he began to sport in ‘98, having pushed the clean, baby Forsberg behind, just like he couldn‘t his upper teeth, he had dried blood in that beard at times, and it was a testament to what everyone knew; the man didn‘t mind dirt, he liked blood, and by the semis in the wild wild west by the late nineties, you had a lot of both. By the semis back then, you were at war. Whoever won that war went on to enjoy a nice chill out and a peaceful massage by all those geishas from the far East and then had the Cup handed to them.

So if scouts compared Stefan‘s vision, determination and ability to take nasty play to that of Peter‘s, since by then, Forsberg was considered better than Lindros had ever been, even if
you take that pre-draft talk with a grain of salt or you just sweep it away as a hogwash, you can‘t say Stefan was rated any lower than, I know some will protest, but: Thornton in ‘97 -- there you go, eat it!

And since Joe hadn‘t set the league on fire and had actually been humbled by his hobbit-like-tall-though-stocky rookie teammate, if, in ‘99, someone said Stefan was gonna be better than Joe by a margin much bigger than the one between Peter and Eric, there wouldn‘t have been too many doubters this was very true (I guess).

Uh-uh, Stefan was not considered one of the weaker number ones. He was thought to be one of the stars for the new millenium and the Thrashers planned to build their franchise around him. He was thought to be the sort of player who was gonna make his wingers look much better than they were. Ironically, it was the wingers the Thrashers drafted after him who made Stefan look as mediocre as he was. By 2003 at the latest, everyone knew he was never gonna be (even) very good. Three years later, sans the greatest goal no-one ever scored, I would barely remember him. And yet, while everyone talks about the missed EN, it was not just that slip-up; it was the goal Hemsky scored right after that made Stefan look like a guy who should have aimed... at science instead of sports. It was all irony with him.

Not sure how much he was hampered by the concussions (I must admit forgetting about those, but now that I got reminded, yeah, they were talked about and they caused worries), but having seen a lot, I can‘t remember a single player who underwent one and came back the same. The better the player, the more finesse-relying, the more refined, the more that cursed injury appears to ruin them. (Even Sid. He still puts up numbers, but there was more to him before his brains shook.) Concussions look to annihilate flair as bad as knee injuries destroy speed.

Yet, I never thought Stefan was that good in the first place.

At sixteen, he scored a play-off goal for Sparta Prague, in a league where no forty-somethings won scoring titles yet. I remember the commentator‘s remark the goal was most likely a lucrative opener for the teenager and perhaps the last he would score for Sparta. I thought he was wrong (about that goal laying a red carpet for Paddy to hop all the way to Hollywood), for the goal was lucky and Stefan was invisible, but the man was right as the boy would be shipped soon after.

Which is where we go full circle.

A lucky goal can puff up a bubble so big it may take an extremely unlucky no-goal for it to burst into a soapy dew. After that brief interim, it‘s quite a revelation: there‘s nothing in the bubble!

The person who said Paddy never played in any WJC is wrong. He did. It‘s just that Radek Duda did better than him. Who‘s Radek Duda? Ah (there you go), just another of those Czech buggers born in the eighties. Those whom Patrik Stefan seems to epitomise so well. Those who should have peaked in the 00‘s. And they did, creating void. The thing is, with Stefan, unlike with many of his Czech contemporaries (hey there, Radek!), I never felt he mailed it in or underachieved. The opposite. Sad, weird and ironic.

Which reminds me, it‘s been a couple of days since, at 44, some Marty Rucinsky officially hung them up for good (sure you want Jags to be the only one scoring with his crutch? You‘d better leave the rest home backdoor unlatched, Marty). Never too much hype, no „star“ aura, no hubris; soft-spoken, humble, classy, and his resume skates circles around the one of all the Czech „first-rounders“ from ‘99 combined.
 
The Sedins had a pretty freaking great draft year. They were co-MVPs of the SEL at age 18 and were the best players on a team that crushed that league that year. Possibly the best draft years ever by players in a European league.

I just recall there was the "good but not great" vibe at the time, ie that Stefan/Brendl had creeped into the 1st overall discussion. Might have been similar to what happened with Tavares/Spezza where the Sedins had been on the radar for awhile so they may have been overscouted and people had unrealistic expectations.

Here are a couple of THN scans courtesy of HabsFan18's awesome thread: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=516093

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It seems like we have this debate every 2 weeks.... That was a terrible draft, so let that draft speak for Stefan.... The best players from that draft weren't even top picks....

Stefan was certainly never a generational player, he was just considered to be the best player in that draft...

I remember it actually being a toss up between Stefan, Daniel Sedin and Pavel Brendl. Henrik was a little worse than Daniel at the time. The Sedins wouldn't be separated and a team holding the first pick wouldn't want just one. Brendl was also a first overall contender. Stefan was seen as a solid option out of that group but not consensus.
 

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