Player Discussion Patrik Laine: ruining the tank

[Non Player Canadiens]

Patrik Laine thread 88 pages and counting. Has never played a regular season game.

 

[Habby4Life]

WOW indeed. You've proven nothing. bye

My bad, I should have chosen simple words and used much shorter sentences, lol.

 

[Habs13]

In order for the Habs to have been a potential playoff team this year, we needed both Dach and Laine to be healthy all year and productive. This isn't going to be the case now and the season hasn't even started. So regardless if Laine plays 6 games or 12 games or even 20 games - it's not enough to make a difference. As of right now, this is going to be yet another nothing season.

I won't even get into the Michkov thing. I've said said on that already.

 

[HuGort]

Hopefully this learns Hughes lesson investing in injury prone players. statically you know odds high he's going to continue to be injured. Laine been injured 4 straight years. Gives Kapanen a spot but losing 9 million in caproom when rosters set is painful. Very poor asset management.

 

[ReHabs]

Hopefully this learns Hughes lesson investing in injury prone players. statically you know odds high he's going to continue to be injured. Laine been injured 4 straight years. Gives Kapanen a spot but losing 9 million in caproom when rosters set is painful. Very poor asset management.

We got paid to take Laine and had zero other options in which to invest that 9m in cap space.

In fact we had zero plans to use Carey Price’s cap hit either.

It was terrific asset management.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Hopefully this learns Hughes lesson investing in injury prone players. statically you know odds high he's going to continue to be injured. Laine been injured 4 straight years. Gives Kapanen a spot but losing 9 million in caproom when rosters set is painful. Very poor asset management.

You must be dizzy from all that spin

 

[Murky]

Hopefully this learns Hughes lesson investing in injury prone players. statically you know odds high he's going to continue to be injured. Laine been injured 4 straight years. Gives Kapanen a spot but losing 9 million in caproom when rosters set is painful. Very poor asset management.

Last year it really was for a late blind side hit to his head that derailed his good start. This year it was a hit to a knee. He is injury prone, but not that injury prone. He has been a ppg player with very little support for a while. It was well worth the risk.

 

[River Meadow]

Hopefully this learns Hughes lesson investing in injury prone players. statically you know odds high he's going to continue to be injured. Laine been injured 4 straight years. Gives Kapanen a spot but losing 9 million in caproom when rosters set is painful. Very poor asset management.

It's very difficult to avoid all risk.

In hindsight it's easy to say these things. You also have to factor what we gave up for the potential return/reward. It was well worth it, IMO.

If Laine pots 35-40goals then he looks like a genius (which he technically could still potentially do, if not this year then next).

 

[26Mats]

Hopefully this learns Hughes lesson investing in injury prone players. statically you know odds high he's going to continue to be injured. Laine been injured 4 straight years. Gives Kapanen a spot but losing 9 million in caproom when rosters set is painful. Very poor asset management.

We weren't using that money anyways this year. We'll see if we're losing out next year...

That Columbus 2nd in 2026 will be fire. Really glad we got it...

Have to see the whole picture of this trade, i.e. if/when Laine gets healthy what he does. I like this trade so much I still like it even though Laine's blown out his knee. Hopefully he gets back to 100% and comes back even hungrier for hockey. We've heard a lot about how he just wants to make sure he's happy, ok with his mental health. Next year I want to hear more he just wants to play hockey because he's so hungry for hockey and will appreciate every second he gets to play, and compete, and help the team win.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

We weren't using that money anyways this year. We'll see if we're losing out next year...

That Columbus 2nd in 2026 will be fire. Really glad we got it...

Have to see the whole picture of this trade, i.e. if/when Laine gets healthy what he does. I like this trade so much I still like it even though Laine's blown out his knee. Hopefully he gets back to 100% and comes back even hungrier for hockey. We've heard a lot about how he just wants to make sure he's happy, ok with his mental health. Next year I want to hear more he just wants to play hockey because he's so hungry for hockey and will appreciate every second he gets to play, and compete, and help the team win.

We'll have plenty of cap space next year, between contracts running out (savard, armia, dvo), salary retentions running out (petry, allen) and the cap going up, we'll have 15.5m + cap raise, minus 6.5 mil for Slaf's raise. Don't know about present bonus, but if there is, it's less cap space to deduce from his next contract = more cap space.

Even if we were to re-sign Savard, we're looking at around 10 mil in cap space. Quite enough to sign whoever we want, again.

 

[417]

We'll have plenty of cap space next year, between contracts running out (savard, armia, dvo), salary retentions running out (petry, allen) and the cap going up, we'll have 15.5m + cap raise, minus 6.5 mil for Slaf's raise

Even if we were to re-sign Savard, we're looking at around 10 mil in cap space. Quite enough to sign whoever we want, again.

This assumes the free agent market will be appealing.

I keep saying it, but every year, the free agent market gets worse and worse. Just look whose available right now, in 3-6 months, the best names won't be anymore.

Unless people actually think a guy like Rantanen is going to hit the market. I'd be shocked.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Hope all you soyboys can handle the news tomorrow. God speed, drink your Pumpkin Spiced Latte's carefully tomorrow so you don't burn your lips in disbelief when the Laine alerts hit the interwebs.

Just remember we will still have Gallagher, Armia, Anderson and Evans to lead us to victory plus Michkov. Oh wait.

I see that you aren't taking this very well

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Hopefully this learns Hughes lesson investing in injury prone players. statically you know odds high he's going to continue to be injured. Laine been injured 4 straight years. Gives Kapanen a spot but losing 9 million in caproom when rosters set is painful. Very poor asset management.

*investing* is a big word , considering we gave up nothing for him , the cap space is irrelevant , its still a rebuild year , did you want us to get two useless UFA vets that do nothing for us instead?

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Hope all you soyboys can handle the news tomorrow. God speed, drink your Pumpkin Spiced Latte's carefully tomorrow so you don't burn your lips in disbelief when the Laine alerts hit the interwebs.

Just remember we will still have Gallagher, Armia, Anderson and Evans to lead us to victory plus Michkov. Oh wait.

Here is not reddit

 

[26Mats]

I appreciate your point in earnest, but if anyone likes all of these players then they shouldn't be expecting more losing of the last three seasons' nature.

Yes, it's tough on the players. But there is greater good ahead. Hey, we'll see if Oliver Kapanen, or Ro, is ready to make the second line a good one.

 

[junyab]

Literally not what I said. People act like a rebuild is some sacred ceremony and only once you truly decide that you're rebuilding, you're rebuilding.

It's not. You can stumble into a rebuild and that's pretty much what Bergevin did

The fact of the matter is MB didn't start a rebuild at any point in his tenure. Just because he made the team garbage and dropped in the standings doesn't mean they were in a rebuild. You need to make a stronger case than just the Patches trade (which you know why he was traded) and the team was trash.

 

[junyab]

The core?

You mean 2017 draftee #1C Suzuki?
Or 2019 draftees Dach, Caufield and Newhook?
2020 draftee #1 D Guhle?

Someone tell this guy we draft kids every year.

 

[StCaufield]

When are injury reports usually released? Or is it random

 

[morhilane]

When are injury reports usually released? Or is it random

Kinda random, Habs will share the news on their Twitter, but it's usually around practices/morning skate or game depending.

 

[jrom]

Hopefully this learns Hughes lesson investing in injury prone players. statically you know odds high he's going to continue to be injured. Laine been injured 4 straight years. Gives Kapanen a spot but losing 9 million in caproom when rosters set is painful. Very poor asset management.

You sound like Normand Flynn with those horrible takes. Harris for a 2nd and 2 years of Laine is bad asset management ?

 

[shamrun]

When are injury reports usually released? Or is it random

they are probably waiting on inflammation to go lower and getting a third and fourth opinion for Laine knee.

 

[Mrb1p]

The fact of the matter is MB didn't start a rebuild at any point in his tenure. Just because he made the team garbage and dropped in the standings doesn't mean they were in a rebuild. You need to make a stronger case than just the Patches trade (which you know why he was traded) and the team was trash.

A team being garbage and accumulating assets is literally what a rebuild is. That it happened through careful planning or sheer incompetence means no difference.

 

[JianYang]

The fact of the matter is MB didn't start a rebuild at any point in his tenure. Just because he made the team garbage and dropped in the standings doesn't mean they were in a rebuild. You need to make a stronger case than just the Patches trade (which you know why he was traded) and the team was trash.

I seem to recall that MB referenced the bruins in what he was trying to do. At the time, the bruins had recently missed the playoffs a couple times and instead of blowing things up, they continued to supplement the existing core along with a coaching and managerial change. It worked for them but that was not a rebuild.

In the habs case, If your intention was to continue to build around Weber and price, then the idea was clearly to be competitive in the present. Heck, even when price and Weber effectively retired, he was still doubling down with moves like trading a 1st for dvorak, and signing savard which is the furthest thing from a rebuild type of move.

MB needed to be taken out of his misery before the habs could declare a rebuild.

 

[calder candidate]

Laine if he never played a game for Mtl is still a win, but losing him still is depressing.

Why would Pare no get a penalty or suspension… Pare got caught, never expect Laine to be able to go inside and he reacted by sticking out is knee, this reaction is not acceptable regardless of the intention, what is the use of the department of player safety, that notsomething you want guys to do… I remember the girl that stop on the highway to save duck and cause the death of two people on a motorcycle, you can blame the victim for going too fast or following too closely but every one here does similar dangerous thing daily, nothing happen because there isn’t brain dead having a completely unexpected reaction. He didn’t have the intention but he clearly sticking out is knee so much that he he is shoulder were rotating the wrong way if he try to get Laine with is shoulder you probably end up with a Tavares /Pezzetta situation were it isn’t great but it probably isn’t a season ending injury… also this was not the only knee attempt by a leafs player someone try to get Hutson, there were also a elbows and Domi cross check and driving a guy head in the ice…

 

[abax44]

Hey guys, has there been any official update on Laine? I'm not seeing anything in the usual places, but thought you might be hearing more then the rest of us.

Edit - just fit an update from The Score app. The update - no official update