Player Discussion Patrik Laine: Part 2 - Healthy Living Edition

[Mrb1p]

One was giving energy for us, when hard on forecheck and even went after Wilson

The other was giving the puck to the other team and give energy to the other team

You need to compare them with what there role are

Laine also set the pace early with 3 hits in the first period.

The criticism is getting ridiculous.

 

[Vachon23]

Laine also set the pace early with 3 hits in the first period.

The criticism is getting ridiculous.

His 1st period was fine, I was in fact impressed with his engagement

 

[Pat Riot]

His 1st period was fine, I was in fact impressed with his engagement

He played a good game IMO. Hes on a line with Demidov , who was overwhelmed by the playoff pace which was expected and Newhook who cant make a pass and cant win a faceoff. He was the best player on that line last night

 

[The Great Weal]

He played a good game IMO. Hes on a line with Demidov , who was overwhelmed by the playoff pace which was expected and Newhook who cant make a pass and cant win a faceoff. He was the better player on that line last night

Definitely wouldn't classify that as "good". You're nitpicking if you're trying to pick the best player out of that line, they are all bad.

I'm curious to see what happens in the offseason with Laine. I definitely think he went to multiple doctors to find one who would give him clearance and avoid surgery. I think he has to have it this offseason however. Buying him out is silly talk, we got nobody else and the cap hit penalty isn't worth it. We knew what we signed up for when we got paid to take him on.

 

[Pat Riot]

Definitely wouldn't classify that as "good". You're nitpicking if you're trying to pick the best player out of that line, they are all bad.

I'm curious to see what happens in the offseason with Laine. I definitely think he went to multiple doctors to find one who would give him clearance and avoid surgery. I think he has to have it this offseason however. Buying him out is silly talk, we got nobody else and the cap hit penalty isn't worth it. We knew what we signed up for when we got paid to take him on.

We are not buying him out. I believe they will trade for a capable center and ride Laine-2nd center- Demidov line next season.

And yeah I think he had a good game last night

 

[Soaker]

He's a highly skilled player but he must know when and where to pick his spots better. A defenseman learns when to pinch and when not too and maybe he got away with how he played in the past but he need to re-adapt to his current state.

 

[ahmedou]

Journalist: What dou you think about HFHabs?

Patrik Laine: Doesn't matter. Couldn't care less.

 

[bud12]

Laine also set the pace early with 3 hits in the first period.

The criticism is getting ridiculous.

You shit on Caufield everyday and he's 10x the player Laine is

 

[dauv]

Not a bad game ? The guy makes almost 9M$ a year and he’s completely useless outside the PP.

Slow as hell, no hustle, no grit. I’ve seen guys play harder at the patinoire du quartier

Even on the PP he is useless because he doesn't move at all. Everyone knows what our PP play is. It is so easy to defend now, very very predictable. He has a great shot I concur but if he doesn't get to use it effectively he is useless. MSL needs to change up the PP plays we are way too static. 85% of the time this is the PP Play.

1- Hutson looks to pass to Laine, he is covered, passes to Suzuki
2- Suzuki stick handles moving left to right inside a 3 foot box passes back to Hutson
3- Hutson looks to pass to Laine, he is covered, passes back to Suzuki
4- Suzuki stick handles moving left to right inside a 3 foot box passes back to Hutson again
5- Hutson finally passes to Laine who Slaps it WIDE/ON THE GOALIE/or loses possession from a poor reception or poor pass
RINSE AND REPEAT

PS: If there is a rebound from a Laine shot that is when Caufield or Slaf touch the puck, only to give it back to Suzuki or Hutson.

 

[dauv]

Not a bad game ? The guy makes almost 9M$ a year and he’s completely useless outside the PP.

Slow as hell, no hustle, no grit. I’ve seen guys play harder at the patinoire du quartier

I've seen TIMBITS players (3-5 year old category) hit harder during practise In minor hockey than PATRIK LAINE.

 

[dauv]

Definitely wouldn't classify that as "good". You're nitpicking if you're trying to pick the best player out of that line, they are all bad.

I'm curious to see what happens in the offseason with Laine. I definitely think he went to multiple doctors to find one who would give him clearance and avoid surgery. I think he has to have it this offseason however. Buying him out is silly talk, we got nobody else and the cap hit penalty isn't worth it. We knew what we signed up for when we got paid to take him on.

100% agree with this statement.

 

[Marioesque]

Even on the PP he is useless because he doesn't move at all. Everyone knows what our PP play is. It is so easy to defend now, very very predictable. He has a great shot I concur but if he doesn't get to use it effectively he is useless. MSL needs to change up the PP plays we are way too static. 85% of the time this is the PP Play.

1- Hutson looks to pass to Laine, he is covered, passes to Suzuki
2- Suzuki stick handles moving left to right inside a 3 foot box passes back to Hutson
3- Hutson looks to pass to Laine, he is covered, passes back to Suzuki
4- Suzuki stick handles moving left to right inside a 3 foot box passes back to Hutson again
5- Hutson finally passes to Laine who Slaps it WIDE/ON THE GOALIE/or loses possession from a poor reception or poor pass
RINSE AND REPEAT

PS: If there is a rebound from a Laine shot that is when Caufield or Slaf touch the puck, only to give it back to Suzuki or Hutson.

They scored 50% of their goals yesterday from that threat

People need to pump their brakes in shitting in this team and individuals, they went OT in Washington against presidents trophy winner, as the youngest playoff team ever.

And everyone was awful?

Insane board

 

[dauv]

They scored 50% of their goals yesterday from that threat

People need to pump their brakes in shitting in this team and individuals, they went OT in Washington against presidents trophy winner, as the youngest playoff team ever.

And everyone was awful?

Insane board

I never said their PP didn't work. I said their PP is predictable, which it is. I didn't say everyone was awful. I just don't think the 2nd line was good, and to say Laine was the best on the line is a bit disingenuous. Again Everyone has their opinions but the reason they scored yesterday on the PP was not because of LAINE.

I think the 1st line played a very good game, Gallagher and Anderson played a good Game

I thought Hutson and Demidov had a rough night and to a lesser extent Ghule but they need to get used to the pace of play in playoffs it's normal.

I tried to give Laine his chance but I just don't see it with him. I think he isn't a winning player and don't think we should move forward with him in the future. Does that mean I would give him away or buy him out, of course not.

When he came back from his injury, the PP was gangbuster because it was a new PP for us, now teams have adjusted and our PP is more middle of the road than elite as it was when he first came back

my 2 cents

 

[Marioesque]

I never said their PP didn't work. I said their PP is predictable, which it is.

It is, and that is entirely up to everyone else not named Laine in that PP unit. When the opponent sacrifices a guy to sit on Laine, the rest of the guys have a 4 on 3 PP which they should be able to use to much higher success.

He is there to provide the shot, keep the play alive when it comes to the left side, and move up and down to create separation from the guy who has been assigned to be on him. Sometimes he moves to the right side if there's a dude sitting on him on the left.

It will actually work against Washington because they did not dedicate a guy to sit on Laine like so many others do, so I expect there will be success with it. (and there was with that 1 goal)

I didn't say everyone was awful. I just don't think the 2nd line was good

They are not good. Newhook will never be a good center for an offensive line. He can't win faceoffs so they don't get possession, and none of them are good repossession players.

, and to say Laine was the best on the line is a bit disingenuous.

No it isn't. Newhook was his usual and Demidov didn't get to do anything, got tossed around a bit and looked overwhelmed. I know he'll adjust and not worried about him but jumping into NHL playoffs against the best team in regular season will be tough for anyone. Laine had 5 shots and 4 hits, he did things.

I think the 1st line played a very good game, Gallagher and Anderson played a good Game

Gallagher and Anderson allowed a goal too. I mean, they can get the puck in the offensive zone and throw it at the net. They can do that. They can play 4th line hockey, just like Armia and Evans can. Get the puck deep, men towards net, throw puck in there and hope for a bounce.

Those lines play as our 2nd and 3rd lines. The Newhook line IS the 4th line in usage.

I thought Hutson and Demidov had a rough night and to a lesser extent Ghule but they need to get used to the pace of play in playoffs it's normal.

Hutson and Demidov yeah, I thought Guhle was top D with Carrier

When he came back from his injury, the PP was gangbuster because it was a new PP for us, now teams have adjusted and our PP is more middle of the road than elite as it was when he first came back

Our PP needs to adjust to that. In this series they can divert to Laine as WSH isn't dedicating a guy on him (yet) but in general, there's 4 other really talented guys in that PP line and if they can't use the 4 on 3 PP that having Laine often has given them, then you need to look for the reasons elsewhere. They should be getting better and closer chances than in any normal 5 on 4 PP formation.

I'd try Demidov in Slaf spot because they need a sneaky left handed shot option on the right side, someone who will drive the net with the puck and force collapsing in front of the net. Slaf doesn't really push to the netfront from the side , Demidov probably would.

 

[dauv]

It is, and that is entirely up to everyone else not named Laine in that PP unit. When the opponent sacrifices a guy to sit on Laine, the rest of the guys have a 4 on 3 PP which they should be able to use to much higher success.

He is there to provide the shot, keep the play alive when it comes to the left side, and move up and down to create separation from the guy who has been assigned to be on him. Sometimes he moves to the right side if there's a dude sitting on him on the left.

It will actually work against Washington because they did not dedicate a guy to sit on Laine like so many others do, so I expect there will be success with it. (and there was with that 1 goal)


They are not good. Newhook will never be a good center for an offensive line. He can't win faceoffs so they don't get possession, and none of them are good repossession players.



No it isn't. Newhook was his usual and Demidov didn't get to do anything, got tossed around a bit and looked overwhelmed. I know he'll adjust and not worried about him but jumping into NHL playoffs against the best team in regular season will be tough for anyone. Laine had 5 shots and 4 hits, he did things.

Gallagher and Anderson allowed a goal too. I mean, they can get the puck in the offensive zone and throw it at the net. They can do that. They can play 4th line hockey, just like Armia and Evans can. Get the puck deep, men towards net, throw puck in there and hope for a bounce.

Those lines play as our 2nd and 3rd lines. The Newhook line IS the 4th line in usage.


Hutson and Demidov yeah, I thought Guhle was top D with Carrier

Our PP needs to adjust to that. In this series they can divert to Laine as WSH isn't dedicating a guy on him (yet) but in general, there's 4 other really talented guys in that PP line and if they can't use the 4 on 3 PP that having Laine often has given them, then you need to look for the reasons elsewhere. They should be getting better and closer chances than in any normal 5 on 4 PP formation.

I'd try Demidov in Slaf spot because they need a sneaky left handed shot option on the right side, someone who will drive the net with the puck and force collapsing in front of the net. Slaf doesn't really push to the netfront from the side , Demidov probably would.

I humbly agree to your counter arguments for the most part. Maybe I am a little negatively biased against LAINE because I think, he should be 5-10x the player he is, and it pisses me off that he isn't.

MAYBE he is injured and needed surgery, we will probably never know.

But I think we can agree that at 9million dollars LAINE is a waste

 

[Marioesque]

I humbly agree to your counter arguments for the most part. Maybe I am a little negatively biased against LAINE because I think, he should be 5-10x the player he is, and it pisses me off that he isn't.

MAYBE he is injured and needed surgery, we will probably never know.

But I think we can agree that at 9million dollars LAINE is a waste

Thank you for considering it, that's a lot more than I can say for many around here!

Of course he's not worth 9 mill right now. If he would have opted for surgery, he would have been a 9 mill cost with no games. I don't look at their paystubs until team starts spendig to cap. Right now it doesn't matter what his contract is because there's no cap issue.

he's playing 4th line minutes, I'd expect slightly elevated 4th line production numbers. If he played 1st or 2nd line minutes, I'd be much more annoyed with the lack of production.

He was placed in the worst line in the league (at that time) with 1 leg, so I'm not expecting fireworks and magic show. Next year is good for evaluation, give him and Demidov a center that can run a 2nd line and watch what happens, then make decisions.

 

[Pat Riot]

I humbly agree to your counter arguments for the most part. Maybe I am a little negatively biased against LAINE because I think, he should be 5-10x the player he is, and it pisses me off that he isn't.

MAYBE he is injured and needed surgery, we will probably never know.

But I think we can agree that at 9million dollars LAINE is a waste

Laine was a big factor why we made the playoff. Im pretty sure Molson would disagree with you on that. Playoff will bring a lot of revenue

 

[vayrynen]

Of course he's not worth 9 mill right now. If he would have opted for surgery, he would have been a 9 mill cost with no games. I don't look at their paystubs until team starts spendig to cap. Right now it doesn't matter what his contract is because there's no cap issue.

What comes to 9 million, he has never been worth it during the contract. He lacks so many things in his game that his value should not be based on the points he scores on a good season. It's almost impossible to find a line that compensates for the shortcomings of his game, and that has led to lots of line juggling in Winnipeg and Columbus. It's not only his line that is affected.

Next year should be better if the knee is not holding him back. Laine has been able to rack up the points 5vs5, even though not many linemates have succeeded with him. Miracles will not happen, though, so the poor puck management and subpar puck battling will still be there. For example, he seems to lack mobility for the upper body which combined with a long stick will make him clumsy with the puck near his feet. Most importantly, he has not worked with his skating or balance issues during the nine year period in the NHL. Will a 27-year-old player find the change in attitude and work ethic? Addressing these things will take more than one summer though.

And yes, he should have boxed out Ovechin after the OT faceoff. His game is full of this kind of irresponsible actions.

 

[habbubba]

MSL needs to manage his game more effectively.

 

[Paradoxe]

The new Laine : more baloney ...

 

[WeThreeKings]

MSL needs to manage his game more effectively.

Yep, move Caufield to PP2 and double shift him in Laine's spot at ES.

 

[Dagistitsyn]

Hard to score when Newhook can't win faceoffs.

Hard to score when Newhook is on your line, period. It’s a proven fact at this point. Everyone has struggled when he’s on their line.

 

[Team_Spirit]

Journalist: What dou you think about HFHabs?

Patrik Laine: they are amazing especially ahmedou and team_spirit

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[ahmedou]

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[dauv]

Thank you for considering it, that's a lot more than I can say for many around here!

Of course he's not worth 9 mill right now. If he would have opted for surgery, he would have been a 9 mill cost with no games. I don't look at their paystubs until team starts spendig to cap. Right now it doesn't matter what his contract is because there's no cap issue.

he's playing 4th line minutes, I'd expect slightly elevated 4th line production numbers. If he played 1st or 2nd line minutes, I'd be much more annoyed with the lack of production.

He was placed in the worst line in the league (at that time) with 1 leg, so I'm not expecting fireworks and magic show. Next year is good for evaluation, give him and Demidov a center that can run a 2nd line and watch what happens, then make decisions.

challenge accepted (unless he is traded in the summer's Crosby trade) one can dream, and no I don't actually think this will happen lol