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Player Discussion Patrik Laine: Part 2 - Healthy Living Edition

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Lazytrout said:
We can't say for sure without being in Laine's head, but we do know he had mental struggles before and from what I saw he might have been a cast off in the BJ's locker room.

So if I had to guess he's simply more engaged and motivated than in Columbus, whatever the reasons, habs locker room looks like a good fit for him.

Keep in mind he did look really lazy out there for stretches in Montreal too
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He had no problems with his teammates in Columbus and played great in the 2021/22 and especially 2022/23 seasons.

I don't think the problem was laziness, Pascal Vincent himself said he was tougher on himself than the coach. Rather he had head-hand connection problems for a long time due to all the problems and the long break, plus he lacked skating experience.
 
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ExReHabs said:
Was this reported?

Am curious if he’ll require surgery after the season or not. It would derail his summer training, sadly.
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I think it was the team doctors / first doctors he saw after the injury that thought his season would be over, but the knee specialist told him he doesn't need surgery... or something like that. I'm no doctor and much less Laine's doctor and I have no idea it was more like "yeah that knee is *cked and there's nothing we can do about that by going in there, so might as well not and see if it heals up" or "with this type of injury the prognosis is as good or better without surgery" :D
 
dackelljuneaubulis02 said:
It’s pretty crazy that people keep going on him about his effort levels still.
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I think in general, the biggest concern with Laine is just his reliability (as in being available to play).

He's looks to be laboring this year with his knee looking at the way he moves (its not how I remember him), even though he is available, it's a hampered version of laine all year. Then two other separate layoffs for the flu, one of them being more extended than the typical flu layoff.

And now speculation that he may require off season surgery for that knee would hamper his ability to train in the summer.

All this compounds his long established list of ailments that were already a concern prior to coming to Montreal.

That's the main issue.
 
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Redux91 said:
2 of 3 Doctors told him to have knee surgery that would of cost him the entire year

Why does everyone keep forgetting that?

He's probably in some form of pain every single time he takes a stride..
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I don't know what you're refering to about forgetting, bit what I'm refering to is whether he can get back to his old speed eventually or not.

Also, about your point about p li saying with pain. I'm not in favor of it. Grant Hill, Yao Ming, Shea Weber, are 3 of more cases of athletes who played through injuries to tey to help their team, only to have the injuries become chronic and cut short their careers.
 
How fast did Laine skate before the knee injury ? It's about the same as now ?
Can he become faster than now after a good summer training ?

Although he has scored considerably, watching him really frustrates me. So slow, clueless in half of the zone, turnovers after turnovers, careless attitude.
 
zzoo said:
How fast did Laine skate before the knee injury ? It's about the same as now ?
Can he become faster than now after a good summer training ?

Although he has scored considerably, watching him really frustrates me. So slow, clueless in half of the zone, turnovers after turnovers, careless attitude.
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His main issue was the fact that his first couple of steps were on the slow side, and he's often stationary. But his top speed was way better than it is now, which allowed him to build up a good amount of speed while rushing in and creating goal scoring opportunities from that.

Obviously this is a hand-picked moment but I don't see current Laine being able to pull this off:

 
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Enough of the backstabbing!

Before his first slump in Montreal, for some he was the next Messiah now some of you are treating him like Judas.

After leaving Winnipeg Patrik has not played a single shift with a bonafide top 6 center, yes he is not a play driver and turns over the puck and needs someone to brake up the play in the D zone and carry the puck into the O-zone. How can a player like him produce 5v5 if the center looses most of their draws and he is constantly chasing the play?Despite this fact and playing on one leg , Patrik is close to leading the league in PP goals you continue to sh*it on him!?

He informed Columbus GM Kekaläinen that he wants to quit hockey altogether aftrer his father died and the resulting depression, but was persuaded to continue .

Despite all of this he is playing and producing, give him a break!!!

Montreal would not be in even close to being in the mix without Patty and that is a fact.

If he fails to produce despite being healthy and having a whole offseason to train and finally gets to play with a REAL top 6 center, then by all means keep piling on the crap.
 
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Laine before the Avs-game:
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I would have had a black/dark blue shirt instead of white. The white and the cream together just look off.
 
InsideLaineBOOM said:
Patty is loving this situation. Every game is very important. Thats where Laine steps up. Holy cow are we in for a ride if Habs make the playoffs. Patty is so playoff starved that he will be blasting on all rounds and barrels and you can bet your ass that he will be a freaking STUD each and every game.
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Laine has always been a clutch player. I was not surprised to see him being great on 4 nations tournament, while many other top Finns didn't do that well.
 
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Halberdier said:
Laine has always been a clutch player. I was not surprised to see him being great on 4 nations tournament, while many other top Finns didn't do that well.
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Wasn't he phenomenally clutch during his draft season?
In Finnish League, juniors and World Championships.

He seems to thrive when stakes are high. Explains why he does so well in Montreal, even with injured knee and almost a season without hockey. And he has already had a bad slump but didn't fold under the pressure. Being a Hab can crush you, especially if one becomes a whipping boy. Instead he genuinely enjoy being out there.

Damn, we have a winger with an otherwordly shot, on pace for 60 points with a f***ed up knee while playing with career third-liners. Who is having a time of his career in Montreal and all we see is a neverending stream of red flags. This would be a top-2 Bergevin trade. One people would use relentlessly when defending him.
 
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Easternbull said:
Enough of the backstabbing!

Before his first slump in Montreal, for some he was the next Messiah now some of you are treating him like Judas.

After leaving Winnipeg Patrik has not played a single shift with a bonafide top 6 center, yes he is not a play driver and turns over the puck and needs someone to brake up the play in the D zone and carry the puck into the O-zone. How can a player like him produce 5v5 if the center looses most of their draws and he is constantly chasing the play?Despite this fact and playing on one leg , Patrik is close to leading the league in PP goals you continue to sh*it on him!?

He informed Columbus GM Kekaläinen that he wants to quit hockey altogether aftrer his father died and the resulting depression, but was persuaded to continue .

Despite all of this he is playing and producing, give him a break!!!

Montreal would not be in even close to being in the mix without Patty and that is a fact.

If he fails to produce despite being healthy and having a whole offseason to train and finally gets to play with a REAL top 6 center, then by all means keep piling on the crap.
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It's what we do.
 
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I might do this once season is over, since a lot and myself included have discredited a portion of his production due to it being 90% generated on PP. One thing I'll give him is that his points have been at crucial times. I recall when people were discrediting Ryder or Pacioretty's goals and saying they were not important goals
 
Le Barron de HF said:
I might do this once season is over, since a lot and myself included have discredited a portion of his production due to it being 90% generated on PP. One thing I'll give him is that his points have been at crucial times. I recall when people were discrediting Ryder or Pacioretty's goals and saying they were not important goals
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That's what Laine brings. He can change the game with the flick of the wrist or a windup. That's why the prospect of getting him was so enticing.

Cole's got a nice shot too but Laine's is otherworldly. When we need a goal and we go on the PP, we know that weapon is there and semi reliable. It's a good feeling.
 
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Hoochi Papa said:
Wasn't he phenomenally clutch during his draft season?
In Finnish League, juniors and World Championships.

He seems to thrive when stakes are high. Explains why he does so well in Montreal, even with injured knee and almost a season without hockey. And he has already had a bad slump but didn't fold under the pressure. Being a Hab can crush you, especially if one becomes a whipping boy. Instead he genuinely enjoy being out there.

Damn, we have a winger with an otherwordly shot, on pace for 60 points with a f***ed up knee while playing with career third-liners. Who is having a time of his career in Montreal and all we see is a neverending stream of red flags. This would be a top-2 Bergevin trade. One people would use relentlessly when defending him.
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It was one of those low-cost high-reward moves from Bergevin that never actually rewarded the Habs (Semin, Hemsky, etc) but it’s not because this one is clearly already paying dividends.
 
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schwang26 said:
Watch his skating. He’s slower than Savard out there. Something definitely isn’t right.
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I personally have not skated with a knee brace but I just can't imagine it being helpful for your general mobility. Could be wrong though, just doesn't seem like something that would allow you to be 100% as effective as without one.
 
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