Value of: Patrik Laine & 16 or 17 OA

[samsagat]

People seems to forget Laine's probably playing with a severe knee injury.

His knee needed a surgery and he decided to not get it and play with the injured knee.

He probably has a damaged ligament, if not severed, and still play. Like Josh Gorges did back in the days.

Plus he seems to have an injured hand.

The guy can't skate like he used to (he's a lot slower than normally) and can't shoot either.

So personally, I keep my judgment of him for when he's gonna be healthy.

Cause we never got the opportunity to see that this year and even with a damaged knee, we tend to forget but his offense, PP goals, were instrumental in Habs run to the playoffs.

For me, paying to get rid of him, in Habs situation (still in rebuild), wouldn't be smart.

Let's see what he has to offer once healthy and if he's still a liability, just run his contract until its end...

 

[shello]

Habs fans are always so delusional with our players value. Laine and picks in a weak draft won’t get you a top 4 d or 2nd line c. Everybody in the league (outside of Laine himself) recognizes the negative value Laine has

 

[samsagat]

So no, I'd personally NEVER pay a mid first to get rid of him.

Even less in Habs situation where they still need the influx of talent

Furthermore, the prices for cap dump are gonna be lower, because of the context where everybody's gonna have cap space, because the cap is in "rapid rise mode", after 5 years of COVID flat cap ..

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Laine needs to shut his season down, get surgery on knee and rehab. If he does this now he might be ready for next season. Otherwise he is useless.

 

[dredeye]

People seems to forget Laine's probably playing with a severe knee injury.

His knee needed a surgery and he decided to not get it and play with the injured knee.

He probably has a damaged ligament, if not severed, and still play. Like Josh Gorges did back in the days.

Plus he seems to have an injured hand.

The guy can't skate like he used to (he's a lot slower than normally) and can't shoot either.

So personally, I keep my judgment of him for when he's gonna be healthy.

Cause we never got the opportunity to see that this year and even with a damaged knee, we tend to forget but his offense, PP goals, were instrumental in Habs run to the playoffs.

For me, paying to get rid of him, in Habs situation (still in rebuild), wouldn't be smart.

Let's see what he has to offer once healthy and if he's still a liability, just run his contract until its end...

I'd say with the post season underway and your team firmly in the post season you can say the rebuild is over. Now you fill the holes around the players you have. This is your window and they don't always stay open long. If you waste 8.7 million on a chance he's better next year you potentially create dead cap that could have been used to improve your team. Maybe he gets surgery after the season and comes back better than ever but he hasn't exactly been great for some time now. I think it would be smart to cut ties if you could. How that plays out I couldn't say. But you have limited cap space.

I said all that and now realize you also have that Carey Price cap space available. I thought you only had 9 million to work with but I guess that's actually 19

 

[Patty Ice]

People seems to forget Laine's probably playing with a severe knee injury.

His knee needed a surgery and he decided to not get it and play with the injured knee.

He probably has a damaged ligament, if not severed, and still play. Like Josh Gorges did back in the days.

Plus he seems to have an injured hand.

The guy can't skate like he used to (he's a lot slower than normally) and can't shoot either.

So personally, I keep my judgment of him for when he's gonna be healthy.

Cause we never got the opportunity to see that this year and even with a damaged knee, we tend to forget but his offense, PP goals, were instrumental in Habs run to the playoffs.

For me, paying to get rid of him, in Habs situation (still in rebuild), wouldn't be smart.

Let's see what he has to offer once healthy and if he's still a liability, just run his contract until its end...

So we should reserve judgement for his value because he is not only ia malcontent but injured/injury prone? Might need to add that second 1st as well.

 

[HuGo Sham]

Isles don’t need that contract on the books to eat up cap space that can be utilized properly. There’s enough defensive issues on the roster, adding in another one isn’t smart. I mean if Montreal wants Pelech and Duclair in return for Laine then we can make something happen.

yeah. no. Duclair's contract is awful.

 

[miscs75]

yeah. no. Duclair's contract is awful.

Exactly my point. The Isles taking on Laine without resolving the other contracts first would be utterly stupid, even with the 1st round pick bonus. The new GM needs to trim the fat on the cap, not add more to it even if its a short term addition.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Is he actually hurt ? Seems pretty convenient after getting benched . Team certainly played better . Certainly not all on him but just reading the tea leaves . Also as someone alluded above the “ no passengers “ comment could be a subtle jab . Or maybe I’m looking too hard..

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Laine's buyout is actually fairly decent. So I suspect if his supposed injury is more of an excuse to get him out of the lineup, the Habs will simply go in that direction.

He has pretty much zero value. Adding the 16-17th overall pick is just bringing down it's value.

 

[bbfan419]

Laine will be playing in Europe soon if his lack of hustle continues.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

25th overall, or something like that.

 

[MrLunatik]

Exactly my point. The Isles taking on Laine without resolving the other contracts first would be utterly stupid, even with the 1st round pick bonus. The new GM needs to trim the fat on the cap, not add more to it even if its a short term addition.

Can the Flames have a discount on trading for Romanov if we eat Duke's deal?

 

[Breakers]

Zero value

He is now a player you have to "hide" he sucks so bad 5v5

 

[RedHawkDown]

I'm sure you could attach 16th OV with Laine for future considerations, but for a young 2nd line C is wild. Laine's contract, even for a year, is terrible.

You could get a veteran 2/3C like Compher probably for that deal. But I'm not sure how that moves the needle for Montreal.

 

[HockeyVirus]

He's been playing injured. First 13 games Laine scored 10 goals. If he doesn't improve next season Habs will waive him or bench him at worst. Not paying anything to get rid of him

He has always been streaky. Every team has seen him cosplay as a superstar and a boat anchor so far

 

[MrLunatik]

I'm sure you could attach 16th OV with Laine for future considerations, but for a young 2nd line C is wild. Laine's contract, even for a year, is terrible.

You could get a veteran 2/3C like Compher probably for that deal. But I'm not sure how that moves the needle for Montreal.

They won't need to attach much at all. They have options.

1. Ride out the contract.
2. Buy out the contract with penalties of 3.97m in 2025-26 and 2.37m in 2026-27
3. Eat 50% of the contract and basically give him away

Option 3 makes the most sense. The cost to eat 50% is less than 400k more than the penalty of the first year of a buyout. At 4.35m (and if they make the move after July 1, the cash owed on 50% would be lower than the 50% cap hit), someone will take a chance hoping he balls out in a contract year and can get them essentially free assets.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Habs aren't buying out Laine or paying to get rid of him.

 

[Fatass]

Habs aren't buying out Laine or paying to get rid of him.

Then what are they doing with him? Waivers to the minors?

 

[Frank Drebin]

Then what are they doing with him? Waivers to the minors?

I imagine they have him get whatever surgeries he needs in the offseason and ride the contract out. Remember when Toronto paid a first round pick which ended up being Seth Jarvis to get rid of one year of Marleau? Is either team "ahead" of the other in the race for the cup because of it? We have a few bad contracts to ride out, although Anderson and Gallagher are playing very well for us.

 

[miscs75]

Can the Flames have a discount on trading for Romanov if we eat Duke's deal?

Negative. You can however have a discussion on trading for Engvall, Pelech, Mayfield and Pulock together in addition to Duclair.

 

[Fatass]

I imagine they have him get whatever surgeries he needs in the offseason and ride the contract out. Remember when Toronto paid a first round pick which ended up being Seth Jarvis to get rid of one year of Marleau? Is either team "ahead" of the other in the race for the cup because of it? We have a few bad contracts to ride out, although Anderson and Gallagher are playing very well for us.

Marleau cost a mid first but he could actually still contribute and was committed to playing hard. Not too sure, other than the price being a mid first, if there is a comparison between the two players. Laine could go go on extended leave again and LTIR for next season.

 

[Kaiden Ghoul]

Would rather use the pick differently, it will be a contract year for Laine after next season ,let's see how he does with some "IF"

 

[Frank Drebin]

Marleau cost a mid first but he could actually still contribute and was committed to playing hard. Not too sure, other than the price being a mid first, if there is a comparison between the two players. Laine could go go on extended leave again and LTIR for next season.

That’s kinda what I’m thinking. It’s very possible he misses 50% of the season or more next year

 

[MrLunatik]

Marleau cost a mid first but he could actually still contribute and was committed to playing hard. Not too sure, other than the price being a mid first, if there is a comparison between the two players. Laine could go go on extended leave again and LTIR for next season.

Marleau had a NMC and refused to allow a trade unless it was for a buyout. The situations are not comparable.