Speculation: Patrick Marleau

[Oberyn]

The West is wide open this year, i don't see why the Sharks would deal Marleau unless it's a lateral trade. Lot more benefit to keep him for a playoff run despite his declining stats.

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

Pot calling kettle here. It really doesn't matter to now anyway. Marleau isn't going to waive his clause now during the season when he's on a contender. There really isn't anything to suggest otherwise. There's a reason why that story died and hasn't been followed up on. That would at the very least suggest that there isn't anything there now even if we assume it was true.

Ok, coming from the guy with Marleau as his avatar, who is being more biased here? I have nothing against the sharks or Marleau.

You clearly refuse to accept that he wanted to go elsewhere and the feeling MIGHT have been mutual, especially considering various reputable sources confirming it

The reason the story died is he had a short list of teams he would be willing to waive for, he had a large cap hit, had term left, and only picked contenders with no cap space

THAT is why it died. Wilson couldnt find a dance partner and wasnt willing to bend over and eat large cap for 2 years. Oh, and SJS made a run to the cup

 

[sjsharks92]

Ok, coming from the guy with Marleau as his avatar, who is being more biased here? I have nothing against the sharks or Marleau.

You clearly refuse to accept that he wanted to go elsewhere and the feeling MIGHT have been mutual, especially considering various reputable sources confirming it

The reason the story died is he had a short list of teams he would be willing to waive for, he had a large cap hit, had term left, and only picked contenders with no cap space

THAT is why it died. Wilson couldnt find a dance partner and wasnt willing to bend over and eat large cap for 2 years. Oh, and SJS made a run to the cup

While there were a lot of rumors about Marleau wanting out and the Sharks perhaps wanting to move on from him, nothing happened. It is not the first time Marleau and the Sharks have had those types of rumors swirling about. Marleau's currently playing his 18th season in San Jose. He's been here his entire career. Sharks have had plenty of opportunities to trade him in the past and in all of those instances it made more sense than it does right now. And yet nothing has ever come from those rumors.

Whether or not those rumors last season were true or false, none of us can say. But for the time being it makes no sense for the Sharks to trade him and based on what we know, Marleau doesn't want to go anywhere right now anyways.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Ok, coming from the guy with Marleau as his avatar, who is being more biased here? I have nothing against the sharks or Marleau.

You clearly refuse to accept that he wanted to go elsewhere and the feeling MIGHT have been mutual, especially considering various reputable sources confirming it

The reason the story died is he had a short list of teams he would be willing to waive for, he had a large cap hit, had term left, and only picked contenders with no cap space

THAT is why it died. Wilson couldnt find a dance partner and wasnt willing to bend over and eat large cap for 2 years. Oh, and SJS made a run to the cup

That's really the argument you want to go with here? lol

Nobody actually confirmed it. All people ever did was say what their sources were saying. That doesn't mean as much as you want to believe it does.

It's just funny that you're believing the rumor mill just because they said it. Given how volatile that realm is, to buy it w/o any level of scrutiny just because a couple people say the same thing is quite shallow intellectually.

But no matter what you want to say, if you want to assume everything you just said was true, you've essentially argued yourself into a situation where he wouldn't waive his clause now anyway so what's the point?

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

That's really the argument you want to go with here? lol

Nobody actually confirmed it. All people ever did was say what their sources were saying. That doesn't mean as much as you want to believe it does.

It's just funny that you're believing the rumor mill just because they said it. Given how volatile that realm is, to buy it w/o any level of scrutiny just because a couple people say the same thing is quite shallow intellectually.

But no matter what you want to say, if you want to assume everything you just said was true, you've essentially argued yourself into a situation where he wouldn't waive his clause now anyway so what's the point?

Lol you need a transcript before you refuse to believe your favorite player asked for a trade

You want absolute verification it happened which is ultimate denial

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Lol you need a transcript before you refuse to believe your favorite player asked for a trade

You want absolute verification it happened which is ultimate denial

McKenzie saying that sources told him that he would look favorably on a trade to an approved team is hardly asking for a trade. This is the problem I have with this kind of stuff. People see something and morph it into something else and just assume it's all the truth. Then to turn around and lambaste people for not believing such nonsense.

 

[SensNation613]

You made me curious, because it sounds a bit the same as Ottawa (although the Sens are learning a new system that is finally inclined to team defense)

http://www.naturalstattrick.com/teamtable.php

Just checked at 5vs5

SH%

Ottawa : 26th
San Jose : 28th

HDCF

Ottawa : 7th
San Jose : 5th

HDSH%

Ottawa : 25th
San Jose : 27th

This suggests me that both teams have been snakebitten. They have proved in the past that they can convert better than that. Let's check for 2015-16 for fun

SH%

Ottawa : 5th
San Jose : 11th

HDCF

Ottawa : 18th
San Jose : 1st

HDSH%

Ottawa : 18th
San Jose : 25th

At least Sharks PP is doing something. Ottawa's PP has been a detriment in most games, as weird as it sounds. Complete momentum killer. Let's check at all situations for 2016-17 :

SH%

Ottawa : 28th
San Jose : 25th

HDCF

Ottawa : 13th
San Jose : 4th

HDSH%

Ottawa : 30th
San Jose : 27th

Ottawa has nothing to do with this thread. What are you even talking about?

 

[OverTheLine]

Anyone who thinks Marleau genuinely wants out of SJ is out of their mind. The Marleau family is deeply rooted into the south Bay Area. His wife is a local and they have a couple of young kids. He'll take the paycut and see his career out here.

 

[Juxtaposer]

If SJ is out of the playoffs this year, what would it cost for Big Joe ?

Pacioretty-Thornton-Gallagher

Byron/Lekhonen-Galchenyuk-Radulov

Nice top 6

It's honestly not even worth talking about anything that could only happen if the Sharks were out of the playoffs by February. They're the clearcut best team in the Pacific and I don't see that changing in the next few months.

Ok, so you are banking against the fact that all of the following people reported this from sources, and they are all wrong:

Chris Nichols
Bob McKenzie
Pierre Lebrun
Elliotte Friedman
Kevin Kurz

yea, not a chance all these guys missed simultaneously. the trade request happened

especially when asked about the trade request the first thing Marleau said was "I'm not going to get into specifics or anything like that..."

You act like ALL of those guys haven't parroted Marleau rumors multiple times in years past.

Nichols doesn't have any sources of his own. He's a mouthpiece for LeBrun/Dreger/McKenzie

Lebrun hasn't had his finger on anything Sharks related since 2013.

McKenzie is less and less reliable these days.

All Friedman said was "The name is out there", which any non-untouchable player's name should be. He specifically said he doesn't know who was pushing it.

Kurz is a horrible "insider" who consistently gets scooped by national media and holds personal grudges against specific players (like Marleau) and isn't afraid to use his platform to force his opinions on everyone.

If you've been a fan of a team with Patrick Marleau on it, you'd know that he has zero interest in talking about that type of thing. This is a player that is literally in trade rumors every single season of his 19 year career, and yet he's still a Shark. He's over rumors.

And the person with the most insight into the situation, Marleau's wife, very specifically and firmly denied that he was asking for a trade.

You literally cannot prove the trade request was real.

 

[Xspyrit]

Ottawa has nothing to do with this thread. What are you even talking about?

lol why do you even care? I am talking about hockey, am I not? Sharks have always been among my favorite teams. That being said, I think it was very simple to understand what I was talking about...

The guy said :

Every Shark has had a putrid offensive start due to abhorrent 5v5 shooting percentages.

I quoted him saying :

You made me curious, because it sounds a bit the same as Ottawa

And then I went on and provided some valuable data that some Sharks fans could appreciate, and by comparing both teams, I found some similarities and I even confirmed what the poster was saying. If you don't understand this data, why don't you leave the liberty to others that do? Now that I have explained my contribution (not sure why I even have to), what have YOU contributed?

So do I have your approval now? Can I continue talking about hockey?

HF is really something else at times

 

[Sysreq]

You literally cannot prove the trade request was real.

http://www.espn.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/40668/rumblings-predators-wild-looking-to-add-offense

 

[Pinkfloyd]

http://www.espn.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/40668/rumblings-predators-wild-looking-to-add-offense

When LeBrun has to qualify it with 'kind-of' pretty much shows that it wasn't actually a trade request. Flirting with it and asking for it are two different things.

 

[CanadienShark]

Ok, so you are banking against the fact that all of the following people reported this from sources, and they are all wrong:

Chris Nichols
Bob McKenzie
Pierre Lebrun
Elliotte Friedman
Kevin Kurz

yea, not a chance all these guys missed simultaneously. the trade request happened

especially when asked about the trade request the first thing Marleau said was "I'm not going to get into specifics or anything like that..."

The likelihood that each one independently came to the conclusion that its rumour worthy is... extremely low.

 

[BillR10]

Ok, so you are banking against the fact that all of the following people reported this from sources, and they are all wrong:

Chris Nichols
Bob McKenzie
Pierre Lebrun
Elliotte Friedman
Kevin Kurz

yea, not a chance all these guys missed simultaneously. the trade request happened

especially when asked about the trade request the first thing Marleau said was "I'm not going to get into specifics or anything like that..."

All of that willing to waive chatter was pre Stanley Cup finals run so it's just a moot point. I highly doubt he is even remotely thinking of waiving now that the team is considered a Stanley Cup contender and in some eyes favorite.

 

[Sysreq]

When LeBrun has to qualify it with 'kind-of' pretty much shows that it wasn't actually a trade request. Flirting with it and asking for it are two different things.

Haha so atleast we've gotten you from: This absolutely did not happen to He was atleast flirting with the ide.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Haha so atleast we've gotten you from: This absolutely did not happen to He was atleast flirting with the ide.

Not really. I've maintained the same thing the whole time. The trade request never happened. That whole business is not the same thing as what many want to say in absolute terms did happen. The reality of it is that if he had made the request, it would have been done. DW wouldn't mess around if there was an opportunity to move Marleau if Marleau asks for it because it would've been a matter of respect. I don't doubt there was some conversation between the two sides but nothing anywhere near as close as people want to believe...especially after the season had started.

 

[Limekiller]

I believe that at the beginning of last year, Marleau indicated that if there was a deal in place, he'd potentially be open to being moved. Remember, this is coming off one of the worst seasons for the Sharks in well over a decade, where there were some significant issues between the players and McLellan and between some players and the front office. (see Thornton's diatribe about Wilson) It also followed after the reverse sweep, which is part of what contributed to that being such a miserable season.

So yes, I believe he indicated something along those lines at the start of the season, since he was worried the Sharks would be an uncomfortable place to play. However, the opposite proved to be true under DeBoer. It took until early December and Couture getting back from injury, before the team really started to "get it". January on, they were in an incredible groove and finally made it to the SCFs.

As a result, and given how circumstances have changed, I would be shocked beyond words if he's still interested in leaving. The team really gets along well with each other, and they're far more tight-knit than they were during that one miserable season. So yeah, suggesting Marleau is still trying to enable his exit from the Sharks is completely inaccurate at this point, even if at one point early last season there was some truth to it.

 

[KKurzNHL]

It is not entirely up to the Sharks to trade Marleau. He has a full NMC. It's highly doubtful that he would waive it on a contending team during the season especially considering how long he has been there and what his goals are. As for both sides expressing interest in a trade in the past, that has all been unconfirmed speculation. It is not a matter of fact that that has occurred. It is a matter of opinion.

Long story short, it's not going to happen. Neither side wants to move on Marleau as both sides want to take another shot at the Cup and they both need one another to do that. Chances are he will re-sign.

Just a little information on how these things work.

When the Marleau story came out on our site, it was quickly confirmed by other reporters like Bob McK and Craig Custance. They check with their own sources, which were probably different than mine. You can still choose not to believe it, but just because I report it and they follow up on it doesn't mean we're getting it from the same people. I'm quite sure they spoke to people that I didn't speak with, yet the conclusion was essentially the same.

Not only was he open to a trade, he was actively seeking one at one point. That may have changed, and in fact probably has, since he's still here. Does he want to stay after this season? There's no indication that he does, and there's no indication that he doesn't. When asked about it at the beginning of this year, the first thing he mentioned was that he has "a year left on his contract." And he's also never denied that he wanted to move on.

 

[Sysreq]

Just a little information on how these things work.

When the Marleau story came out on our site, it was quickly confirmed by other reporters like Bob McK and Craig Custance. They check with their own sources, which were probably different than mine. You can still choose not to believe it, but just because I report it and they follow up on it doesn't mean we're getting it from the same people. I'm quite sure they spoke to people that I didn't speak with, yet the conclusion was essentially the same.

Not only was he open to a trade, he was actively seeking one at one point. That may have changed, and in fact probably has, since he's still here. Does he want to stay after this season? There's no indication that he does, and there's no indication that he doesn't. When asked about it at the beginning of this year, the first thing he mentioned was that he has "a year left on his contract." And he's also never denied that he wanted to move on.

These boards are pretty toxic towards you. Me too, to an extent. Many of the posters here don't care about facts, expert opinion, organizational needs. It's a form of doll house. You aren't playing dolls the right way. You will never convince them.

Then, when the stars align and something happens... Well obviously Doug Wilson is terrible. He doesn't play dolls right either.

 

[Timos Death Stare]

Just a little information on how these things work.

When the Marleau story came out on our site, it was quickly confirmed by other reporters like Bob McK and Craig Custance. They check with their own sources, which were probably different than mine. You can still choose not to believe it, but just because I report it and they follow up on it doesn't mean we're getting it from the same people. I'm quite sure they spoke to people that I didn't speak with, yet the conclusion was essentially the same.

Not only was he open to a trade, he was actively seeking one at one point. That may have changed, and in fact probably has, since he's still here. Does he want to stay after this season? There's no indication that he does, and there's no indication that he doesn't. When asked about it at the beginning of this year, the first thing he mentioned was that he has "a year left on his contract." And he's also never denied that he wanted to move on.

Just wanted to say not a fan of your work, but do appreciate you coming on these boards to voice your opinion and engage in discussion with us.

On another note, I do know Marleau wanted out at one point. New York was one of the most likely destinations and he consulted with Boyle about playing under Vigneault. Boyle wasn't happy with the situation and advised against it. I believe that was the closest Marleau got.

Come success under DB, and it's practically water under the bridge at this point. I do believe he will resign.

But yes, he was open and in fact was exploring options of leaving San Jose.

 

[hohosaregood]

Just a little information on how these things work.

When the Marleau story came out on our site, it was quickly confirmed by other reporters like Bob McK and Craig Custance. They check with their own sources, which were probably different than mine. You can still choose not to believe it, but just because I report it and they follow up on it doesn't mean we're getting it from the same people. I'm quite sure they spoke to people that I didn't speak with, yet the conclusion was essentially the same.

Not only was he open to a trade, he was actively seeking one at one point. That may have changed, and in fact probably has, since he's still here. Does he want to stay after this season? There's no indication that he does, and there's no indication that he doesn't. When asked about it at the beginning of this year, the first thing he mentioned was that he has "a year left on his contract." And he's also never denied that he wanted to move on.

You pick the weirdest places to chime in.

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

Just a little information on how these things work.

When the Marleau story came out on our site, it was quickly confirmed by other reporters like Bob McK and Craig Custance. They check with their own sources, which were probably different than mine. You can still choose not to believe it, but just because I report it and they follow up on it doesn't mean we're getting it from the same people. I'm quite sure they spoke to people that I didn't speak with, yet the conclusion was essentially the same.

Not only was he open to a trade, he was actively seeking one at one point. That may have changed, and in fact probably has, since he's still here. Does he want to stay after this season? There's no indication that he does, and there's no indication that he doesn't. When asked about it at the beginning of this year, the first thing he mentioned was that he has "a year left on his contract." And he's also never denied that he wanted to move on.

So much for "the trade request never happened" argument...

 

[Bizz]

He'll sign a short term deal. Probably won't get more than 2.5AAV.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Just a little information on how these things work.

When the Marleau story came out on our site, it was quickly confirmed by other reporters like Bob McK and Craig Custance. They check with their own sources, which were probably different than mine. You can still choose not to believe it, but just because I report it and they follow up on it doesn't mean we're getting it from the same people. I'm quite sure they spoke to people that I didn't speak with, yet the conclusion was essentially the same.

Not only was he open to a trade, he was actively seeking one at one point. That may have changed, and in fact probably has, since he's still here. Does he want to stay after this season? There's no indication that he does, and there's no indication that he doesn't. When asked about it at the beginning of this year, the first thing he mentioned was that he has "a year left on his contract." And he's also never denied that he wanted to move on.

Pretty sure they reported that before you did and even if we go so far as to say he was actively seeking one at one point, it's still not the same thing as a trade request.

 

[mariolemieux66]

Matteau for Marleau?