Patrick Kane vs Auston Matthews

[Fledgemyhedge]

I think people here are putting way too much emphasis on the playoffs here and sure Kane has a definite edge but let's not pretend that the current Leafs the last 8 seasons would have had any more success with Kane to make a difference.

AM is the much much better goalscorer and actually brings something to the table defensively and we will see how he ages but he is only a little over 100 goals behind Kane right now and obviously will trail him in points for some time.

But I'm still betting that AM has a decent chance of being as good as Kane all time if one uses the usual parameters for judging players, the over emphasis on playoffs here is beyond extreme in mnay people's take's and I doubt they do that with every player.

Also the poll results are basically from after the 21 season and AM has the 60 and 69 goal season, A Hart and a Selke top 3 finish (even if one thinks that's generous to AM he is still miles better than Kane in terms of a 2 way game) and he has also been a bit better in the playoffs in the last 3 years as well.

I think peak Kane on the leafs does make a difference. Leafs are usually in super tight series. Subtracting a mediocre playoff player with one of the best makes a difference in that scenario.

If by success you mean cup then well yeah they need a lot more.

 

[Peltz]

As of their 26 year old seasons:

Patrick Kane had:

1 Cup-winning OT goal
1 Conference Final winning Double-OT goal
1 Second round winning OT goal
1 First round series-tying OT goal
2 playoff hat tricks (both in Conference finals winning games)

Auston Matthews had:

1 Qualifying round series-tying OT goal (2020 play-ins) (TOR lost the series)
0 playoff hat tricks

Agreed that it's not just about who scores more in their career. It's also about who scores the biggest goals. And in that category, one player has many big-time goals, and the other doesn't have a single one.

 

[Icebreakers]

When Matthews said he was bummed out when he wasnt able to get 70 goals right before the playoffs that told you a lot about him lol. Like you havent done shit in the playoffs and you care about some useless milestone in the regular season.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Matthews could become the all-time goal scorer. That would be a huge edge. But if he doesn’t win a cup, it hurts him.

Kane is one of the most clutch players ever. As of right now, I’d say Kane but this could change. Matthews is young and has a lot of time.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Matthews hasn't shown that he can step up like Kane has. Kane was made for the big stage.

 

[dirtydanglez]

the way things are going matthews will have to break gretzky/ovie's goal record to even have a chance to overtake kane.

 

[yeaher]

Easily? Matthews has a better ppg up to this point in their careers, is better defensively, and plays a premium position. I won’t even discuss their goal scoring.

It’s fine if you think Kane will have a better career, but don’t act like it’s going to be “easy”.

guy won 3 cups; Matthews one series... lol

 

[Frosty415]

Kane is a winner

 

[HabsQC]

Come back when Auston has a Stanley Cup game winning goal.

 

[eojsmada]

Cups don't lie....Kane is the only answer.

 

[WarriorofTime]

I think people here are putting way too much emphasis on the playoffs here

Kane is the leading scorer of the 2010s.

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

If I had the choice of adding prime Matthews or prime Kane to my team for a playoff run its gonna be Kane 10 times out of 10.

 

[Despote]

Matthews is a far more impactful player in the regular season, tbh a borderline generational talent. But Leafs would definitely have had more playoff success with Kane. 0 goals in 6 game sevens, oof.

 

[authentic]

Lol Patrick Kane will not go down as the better all-time player

 

[statswatcher]

there are very few goals i've seen in hockey as beautiful as patrick kane roofing a backhander.

 

[Realgud]

Kane made his linemates better while Matthews makes his worse. Pair that with not even being close to a top 10 goalscorer when it actually matters and you've got your answer.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Lol Patrick Kane will not go down as the better all-time player

What’s your reasoning for this? Matthews has a lot of ground to cover for this to be close at the moment. Kane is an absurdly accomplished player

 

[Green Snow Storm]

Kane made his linemates better while Matthews makes his worse. Pair that with not even being close to a top 10 goalscorer when it actually matters and you've got your answer.

LOL

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Kane ainec. At the end of the day winning matters. The Toronto core seems to care more about personal stats, money, and fame. Marner's comment about being gods in Toronto was very telling.

 

[Sky04]

Kane has come up with so many clutch goals in his time, Matthews not so much.

Matthews is a far more impactful player in the regular season, tbh a borderline generational talent. But Leafs would definitely have had more playoff success with Kane. 0 goals in 6 game sevens, oof.

Kane is better in both.

 

[Rob Brown]

When Matthews said he was bummed out when he wasnt able to get 70 goals right before the playoffs that told you a lot about him lol. Like you havent done shit in the playoffs and you care about some useless milestone in the regular season.

He didn't say he was bummed, this is what he said...

"You know, I wanted it for sure, but it just wasn't meant to be. As we look forward, we turn the page and the most important thing is the team and the team success..."

Yeah, he is allowed to be disappointed (I am sure any player would be), but didn't say he was bummed or upset and quite literally said the most important thing is the team and not him. And then he's nominated for the Selke and he said it wasn't fulfilling and that isn't his goal (implying individual awards), which again disproves what you said.

What's the point of making shit up? To get likes?

 

[Gordon Lightfoot]

He didn't say he was bummed, this is what he said...

"You know, I wanted it for sure, but it just wasn't meant to be. As we look forward, we turn the page and the most important thing is the team and the team success..."

Yeah, he is allowed to be disappointed (I am sure any player would be), but didn't say he was bummed or upset and quite literally said the most important thing is the team and not him. And then he's nominated for the Selke and he said it wasn't fulfilling and that isn't his goal (implying individual awards), which again disproves what you said.

What's the point of making shit up? To get likes?

It's easier to paint him as selfish than as a person who would obviously like to hit a goal that anybody would like to hit.

 

[dalewood12]

At retirement, I suspect Matthews will go down as the greatest American player ever.

 

[bobholly39]

What happened to Illpucks anyways? Haven't seen that name in forever.

 

[DitchMarner]

What happened to Illpucks anyways? Haven't seen that name in forever.

He annoyed me at times, but I kind of miss him... haha.

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