Patrick Kane subject of police investigation III [READ MOD OP]

[Invictus12]

**** it

I've seen the work myself (academic etc.) I don't particularly care if you or anyone else believes me.

I don't have access to a college database anymore, and google is ****ing useless anyways. I'm also lazy as well, so hey. Whatever I guess, people are going to believe what they want.

Rape culture is a buzzword term, I agree; but it's accurate if redundant, there are precious few cultures/societies across time or place where rape wasn't a part of the culture, unfortunately.

And with that I bid adieu.

1 in 5 though, you don't find that number suspicious on its own?

 

[Mickey Redmond*]

Obviously we have to wait until the police finish their investigation. If true, he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

 

[Captain Bowie]

Oh it could be part of a culture? .. Or it could be a wise ass trying to look like a bad ass and get some laughs.

In reality..the guy is being a jerk..or the office manager is really one.

"Culture is the characteristics and knowledge of a particular group of people, defined by everything from language, religion, cuisine, social habits, music and arts."

Culture is directly related to how people act.

You wanna know the first thing one of these guys said when I told him Kane was being investigated? "She could be lying". The fact that this is the first thought of so many people is sickening. They are all not isolated incidents. Collectively they make up a part of our culture.

 

[featherhawk]

Let's put some holes in these theories shall we?

1. It's Buffalo. She likely knew who he was and likely how rich he was before talking to him. Regret? If she was sober, why would she regret it? And if she did regret it, is it worth gone hospital visit, rape kit, and police investigation? If she was too drunk to make a decision? Rape.

2. This is similar to one. You say both parties are drunk and she had second thoughts about rough sex. But again, is second thoughts worth going through all of this? And still.. If she was too drunk, he shouldn't have done anything with her. It's on him not to. He likely has way more to lose.

3. He was raped?

While not impossible. The incident occurred at his home allegedly. It's not like she drugged him and knew where he lived.

He very well could be innocent. But it's going to be tough to prove otherwise.

Dont assume
it could be worth it for her if she thinks she would never have to work a day in her life again
if she was drunk and he was drunk why is the onus on the man to not do anything? Why is the onus not on the woman or both?
you don't think she could have been a Puck bunny....its not like he drugged her and found out that she lives with mom and dad so they needed to go to his place....


nobody on this forum knows

but this is precisely what is wrong with gender equality, if she was the aggressor and forced herself on Kane society just calls her a **** and provides a taxi ride home for her and likely buys her a new outfit...

but if kane is the aggressor its rape

if they were both intoxicated why is one party held more responsible than the other?

 

[Bathcat]

time to change that then, I work in health care am male and out of an office of 120 I am one of 12 guys. I know that the team bonding and high fiving and ass slapping, talk of nice cleavage etc. can't come from the 11 others and I, but I can tell you it happens on a regular basis that some of the 120 do that to the 12 and not a soul, even the manager seems to think that is a problem...

That would be nice. There are lots of people who will fight to keep the status quo, though. That we don't need to change anything. You can find plenty of people in this thread convinced rape culture doesn't actually exist, even though you pointed out rape against men is a significant problem but there's absolutely no effort to address it.

 

[Kresnik]

That right there my friend is exactly my point.

No such thing eh?

Yet already you jump to "She might be lying and [certain] people are also drawn to rich people".

Sure she might be. But this is the court of public opinion. Kane already has a history of drunken violence. We know nothing of this girl and yet these comments keep popping up.

Or "It was probably rough sex". Yah that's another one.

No, but it can happend, because a rape charge is a sensative matter because naturally it comes down to words against Words, and the only one that knows what happend were the participant. You also take a standpoint and assume the exact opposite, why is that? Its 50-50 procent chance, it comes down to who is the most reliable.

 

[sparxx87]

or perhaps nobody is....

maybe they were both lit up like a christmas tree on Dec 24 and did the deed and she either regreted it the next morning or she found out Kane was worth 10s of millions....

or

maybe they were both intoxicated and kane was aggressive but they both knew what they were doing until she thought about it the next day.

or

maybe they were both intoxicated and she was aggressive and kane should charge her with rape.

A crime was committed. Time will tell whether the crime was sexual assault, or whether it was filing a false report. Lying about being a victim of a serious crime is a crime in itself.

 

[Aceonfire*]

Domestic Violence.

Murder.

Police Involved Shootings (Both Sides)

Huge uproar over the Group that held the Draw Muhammad Event.

Domestic violence sure does have victim blaming. And it's almost always the woman being blamed for staying with the man.

Murder? Yup sure does. But you rarely see it used anywhere else aside from murders of prostitutes.

Police involved shootings? That's a whole other topic I won't go in to.

 

[featherhawk]

That would be nice. There are lots of people who will fight to keep the status quo, though. That we don't need to change anything. You can find plenty of people in this thread convinced rape culture doesn't actually exist, even though you pointed out rape against men is a significant problem but there's absolutely no effort to address it.

that is because the law does not punish it the same way....if they did it would be the same...

its the ultimate double standard....



man touches women and women doesn't want it, sexual assault and prison for the man

woman touches man and man doesn't want it, she is a cheeky biatch and she gets congratulated...

 

[featherhawk]

A crime was committed. Time will tell whether the crime was sexual assault, or whether it was filing a false report. Lying about being a victim of a serious crime is a crime in itself.

there was likely more than one crime committed that night by the crew that is in the know....

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

A crime was committed. Time will tell whether the crime was sexual assault, or whether it was filing a false report. Lying about being a victim of a serious crime is a crime in itself.

yup and i have a feeling this whole thing is gonna get a lot weirder and murkier before it gets better

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

that is because the law does not punish it the same way....if they did it would be the same...

its the ultimate double standard....



man touches women and women doesn't want it, sexual assault and prison for the man

woman touches man and man doesn't want it, she is a cheeky biatch and she gets congratulated...

That's a bit exaggerative I think, but it's pretty close to spot on.

 

[yoss]

1 in 5 though, you don't find that number suspicious on its own?

Unfortunately, no. Based on personal exp. and school. As I said in my initial post, it was shocking to learn. I hope it's wrong, I can say that much.

One survey at a University (you may not believe me, I had a hard time believing it when i saw it) asked male students the following question, if you could be guaranteed to get away with it, would you sexually assault/rape a female student? Sample size was statistically significant (otherwise it wouldn't have been published) and it was answered anonymously, as in respondent did not give their name, secret ballot type of thing. Just shy of 40% said they would.

And no I don't have a source handy, so you can be skeptical and believe you me, you should be and I would be myself. I still am, actually. but he was a prof that i trusted, plus I don't think you can just throw that out there in class if you can't directly refer to the source material/study itself.

Obviously "would" is not did, however that speaks to the "rape culture" side of things. (Please God make me stop saying it).

Okay, now I'm done w/ this thread for real for now.

 

[Aceonfire*]

No, but it can happend, because a rape charge is a sensative matter because naturally it comes down to words against Words, and the only one that knows what happend were the participant. You also take a standpoint and assume the exact opposite, why is that? Its 50-50 procent chance, it comes down to who is the most reliable.

Put it this way. Initially I wanted to stand back and wait for the results. But as more and more posters piled on the girl I decided to take a side.

I am not against Kane, but I want to be in this girl's corner.

If it turns out he is guilty, how would you feel after implying this girl was lying or was in it for money?

If he is innocent, Kane walks away back into his career and this girl is still shamed either way. And as others have said, even if he is found not guilty there still might have been an assault but not enough evidence to prosecute.

Kane isn't the victim right now, she is.

The fact that she went to the hospital first and with Kane's history it is pretty damning. The guy is already a sleaze. I see no point in defending his innocence. The guy was allegedly dumb enough to be in this situation. Hundreds of other Hockey players don't have this problem.

You reap what you sow.

 

[sparxx87]

that is because the law does not punish it the same way....if they did it would be the same...

its the ultimate double standard....



man touches women and women doesn't want it, sexual assault and prison for the man

woman touches man and man doesn't want it, she is a cheeky biatch and she gets congratulated...

In fairness, men aren't really bothered by it like women are... I am sexually assaulted at work on a pretty regular basis. It doesn't bother me at all, its all in good fun. I don't touch them, and I frankly wouldn't feel comfortable doing so due to the double standard.

Even if I was bothered by these girls, I honestly don't know if I would report it because given my personality and playfulness I think I would be 'victim blamed' ... And that's in the small chance I was even taken seriously.

While I do agree there's a double standard, I don't think it's relevant in this situation... Men are completely different.. Most of us have woken up to our girlfriend on it. That's technically rape, but most of us are quite ok with it.

 

[Beerz]

Well I'm glad we can agree on something. This is what we are saying, there are far too many idiots saying/doing far too toxic things when it comes to this subject.

Sure. Attack those that do wrong.

Don't lay a blanket statement on Society such as "Rape Culture".

Rape Culture sounds like we have Rape Parties in our front lawns like a 4th Of July BBQ.

 

[Invictus12]

Unfortunately, no. Based on personal exp. and school. As I said in my initial post, it was shocking to learn. I hope it's wrong, I can say that much.

One survey at a University (you may not believe me, I had a hard time believing it when i saw it) asked male students the following question, if you could be guaranteed to get away with it, would you sexually assault/rape a female student? Sample size was statistically significant (otherwise it wouldn't have been published) and it was answered anonymously, as in respondent did not give their name, secret ballot type of thing. Just shy of 40% said they would.

And no I don't have a source handy, so you can be skeptical and believe you me, you should be and I would be myself. I still am, actually. but he was a prof that i trusted, plus I don't think you can just throw that out there in class if you can't directly refer to the source material/study itself.

Well the thing that generally satisfies me in regards to DOJ is that it is vast. How many Universities were actually a part of the study? Was there any criteria on which to study?

 

[Captain Bowie]

Sure. Attack those that do wrong.

Don't lay a blanket statement on Society such as "Rape Culture".

Rape Culture sounds like we have Rape Parties in our front lawns like a 4th Of July BBQ.

And if that's truly what you want to think it means, I won't stop you, and will probably stop discussing it further with you now. I'm sorry the term appears to harsh to you. But hopefully you can agree that there is a problem, and we need to do more to fix it. I beleieve that's all it is saying. Arguing semantics doesn't help the situation at all.

 

[JenniferH]

Awesome response, beyond not knowing what you are talking about, I guess the professor/feminists with statistical facts disproving rape culture, that 1in5 woman are raped, that women don't lie about rape, that feminists don't lie about rape as part of an agenda with false stats is just fantastical nonsense, nope, tumblr and reddit are where the truth resides.

No, it's not from tumblr and reddit. It's from women and their day to day life experiences. The so-called "buzzword" was created because some phrase needed to be coined to describe the disgusting nature in which this country, hell, this PLANET treats women and rape.

When you become a woman and live that life day to day then you can say there is no such thing as rape culture. Until that day, kindly please stop denying the existence of which you really, really, really know nothing about because, sir, you really, really, really know nothing about this and you and every other male in this thread who says there is no such thing as rape culture is doing absolutely NOTHING but a complete disservice to your gender representation. This is coming from a woman who day to day lives and sees the rape culture of America in effect, YES, on a nearly ****ING day to ****ING day basis!

ETA: I posted this and then read the next 3 pages where I was inundated with more posts from males explaining just how rape culture doesn't exist that a red film glazed over my eyes, and my heart is still racing so furiously with anger and frustration and sorrow that so many can honestly, actually believe this and be so DAMN unaware of how so unbelievably awful and ****ing terrible it is for women. That so many can so honestly believe this bs that they are spewing from their male perspective as if they have any clue is just unbelievably mind-blowing that I have to step away. May God or whatever deity or whatever you worship someday instill the general you who don't believe with the perspective to realize that as men--who will God willing NEVER have to deal with what women go through practically every single day of their lives, and will never know someone that you love have to personally experience it in a horrific or even-close-to horrific manner--you will NEVER, EVER understand the perspective of a FEMALE when it comes to rape culture. And, YES, DAMNIT!, it does ****ing exist!

And, now, I'm stepping away because I'm going to explode otherwise.

 

[robertocarlos]

Well I'm glad we can agree on something. This is what we are saying, there are far too many idiots saying/doing far too toxic things when it comes to this subject.

Their words cannot be erased and may come back to haunt them. I know I'm coming back here in a couple of months when the dust settles and I'll be chewing gum and kicking ass.

 

[Captain Bowie]

fox is just dumb and says stupid **** for shock value

and even by their standards almost none of it even makes sense

iirc it was megyn kelly who once said that abortions shouldn't be covered by helf insurance because she "didn't want to pay for people to have sex" then promptly went on maternity leave. hmmmm

why do i have to pay for you to have sex then?

I totally agree! The problem is the simpletons in our society take it in and believe it. That is where this "culture" stems from, at least in part.

 

[yoss]

Well the thing that generally satisfies me in regards to DOJ is that it is vast. How many Universities were actually a part of the study? Was there any criteria on which to study?

In that particular study, just one. As I say, there were enough participants in the survey to justify the time/$$ investment to publish, but yes it was a single study and only of that University. I'm not aware of anything further re: that specific survey/question being done elsewhere, so far as i know it lacks the repeatability/reliability factor. Could be a one off, with an inordinate amount of rapey dudes attending that school. Still, that mind ****ed me and the rest of the class at the time.

 

[Aceonfire*]

Dont assume
it could be worth it for her if she thinks she would never have to work a day in her life again
if she was drunk and he was drunk why is the onus on the man to not do anything? Why is the onus not on the woman or both?
you don't think she could have been a Puck bunny....its not like he drugged her and found out that she lives with mom and dad so they needed to go to his place....


nobody on this forum knows

but this is precisely what is wrong with gender equality, if she was the aggressor and forced herself on Kane society just calls her a **** and provides a taxi ride home for her and likely buys her a new outfit...

but if kane is the aggressor its rape

if they were both intoxicated why is one party held more responsible than the other?

Ideally both parties are held responsible but that is rarely the case.

There is a reason you have to be sober at a wedding. Both parties have to give consent. That same consent can be withdrawn at anytime.

When they say drink responsibly they don't just talk about driving. You are still responsible for your actions while drunk.

And as for Her being the aggressor.. Do you really think Kane couldn't fight her off?

 

[Invictus12]

In that particular study, just one. As I say, it was enough participants in the survey to justify the time/$$ investment to publish, but yes it was a single study and only of that University. I'm not aware off anything further of that specific survey was done, so far as i know it lacks the repeatability/reliability factor. Could be a one off, with an inordinate amount of rapey dudes attending that school. Still, that mind ****ed me and the rest of the class at the time.

That or a bunch if ****-heads that have no respect for science... College male, wouldn't surprise me.

 

[featherhawk]

In fairness, men aren't really bothered by it like women are... I am sexually assaulted at work on a pretty regular basis. It doesn't bother me at all, its all in good fun. I don't touch them, and I frankly wouldn't feel comfortable doing so due to the double standard.

Even if I was bothered by these girls, I honestly don't know if I would report it because given my personality and playfulness I think I would be 'victim blamed' ... And that's in the small chance I was even taken seriously.

While I do agree there's a double standard, I don't think it's relevant in this situation... Men are completely different.. Most of us have woken up to our girlfriend on it. That's technically rape, but most of us are quite ok with it.

its not that men aren't bothered by it, its that the media is not bothered by it....

I too get sexually assaulted on a regular basis at work by both co-oworkers and clients and 90 % of the time it does not bother me but the few times in my 28 year health care career it did bother me when I spoke to someone about they talked to me about how it was a joke and all in good fun and that i should let it be.

Not so when a guy does the same to a female at work....the riot act is read, suspensions given immediately, investigations and criminal prosecution...

I can't wait to see what happens when transgender folk start getting caught for assaulting a man or a women......the courts and society won't know what the **** to do....