Pat Quinn can't handle team Canada
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bert
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Im sorry but Phaneuf as the 7th defenseman would not make a difference right now. Im really tired about hearing about how Phaneuf should be on the team.
You are right about Quinn he is an idiot he cant handle this team. Luckily Hitchcock and Martin are around so they should make up the difference.
It seems like team Canada is holding there sticks way to tight right now. Forcing plays not using hte talent this team has.
Draper on the ice with this lineup with 4 minute to go is beyond stupid. That is a great example of how Quinn has no idea what he is doing.
You are right about Quinn he is an idiot he cant handle this team. Luckily Hitchcock and Martin are around so they should make up the difference.
It seems like team Canada is holding there sticks way to tight right now. Forcing plays not using hte talent this team has.
Draper on the ice with this lineup with 4 minute to go is beyond stupid. That is a great example of how Quinn has no idea what he is doing.
Vincent_TheGreat
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I'm sorry but its not on Quinn! These players are playing like garbage. Quinn can't pass, shoot or skate for them! Pure and simple the whole team sucks right now, they should just come home now and save further embarassment.
Vincent_TheGreat said:
LOL! This tourney is far from over. Its just that Quinn, the one who IS IN CHARGE of running this team and setting up game plans, formations, systems, is doing a piss poor job. Sorry, but it is on Quinns head to a degree.
For the last 10 years I've been singing a song entitled "Canada can't win outside Nth America". I still think I'm right, and I've got more and more evidence.
If there was a Wolrd Cup tomorrow in Montreal, Canada would sitll win every game.
If there was a Wolrd Cup tomorrow in Montreal, Canada would sitll win every game.
NFITO
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the players need to take responsibility here... not the coach.
Quinn - like him or hate him - was good enough coaching the last Olympic team, so saying he can't handle Team Canada is bull...
the offense is not clicking... they're not playing well at all, and the defense is just not that solid right now... when you have the talent and experience this team does, the players need to take responsbility for their play. Quinn's not coaching these guys to throw the puck away in the defensive zone... icing the puck 10 times every period... missing assignments in the offensive zone... etc.
This isn't Quinn's fault... this isn't Gretzky's fault... this isn't even McCabe's fault (and having Phaneuf on this team wouldn't change the record right now).... it's the collective play of the 20 skaters on the ice.
Quinn - like him or hate him - was good enough coaching the last Olympic team, so saying he can't handle Team Canada is bull...
the offense is not clicking... they're not playing well at all, and the defense is just not that solid right now... when you have the talent and experience this team does, the players need to take responsbility for their play. Quinn's not coaching these guys to throw the puck away in the defensive zone... icing the puck 10 times every period... missing assignments in the offensive zone... etc.
This isn't Quinn's fault... this isn't Gretzky's fault... this isn't even McCabe's fault (and having Phaneuf on this team wouldn't change the record right now).... it's the collective play of the 20 skaters on the ice.
Vincent_TheGreat said:
Are you effing kidding? 1) quinn is friggen brutal, coaching makes a huge difference..You actually think if sutter was the coach he would stand to let his players play like that...We werent hitting or skating..If you dont work under that system, its easy, you dont play..2) I hope you dont call yourself Canadian, because if you are, im embarrassed at how easily you give up...You were prob saying the same thing in salt lake when we lost to Sweden. I'm embarrassed of you, to be quite honest.
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That's probably true, but making natural goal scorers like Nash (Was he really hurt?) and Heatley sit on the bench when the team is down is not that smart.nuckfan in TO said:
I cant say I agree. Quinn is the guy who needs to get these guys going, I never see him yelling at these guys and benching players for poor efforts or being hard on players. He doesnt need to be a psycho about it, buthe needs to know how to handle these players and he doesnt. Heres a few examples: In Tampa Bay, Tortorella (Sp) put St. Louis on the 3rd line to get him going, and did he not bench lecavalier a few times to get him going? Sutter publically challenges Iginla and other coaches get in their players faces.nuckfan in TO said:
Obviously every player responds differently to different tactics, but it just seems like Quinn stands on the bench and chews his gum... Now tell me he doesnt have an impact? He shows no emotion. THIS IS FRIGGEN TEAM CANADA! SHOW SOME EMOTION FOR YOUR COUNTRY AND SHOW SOME URGENCY! We'll see what happens...
As for the Phaneuf Mccabe comparison, Im not saying things would be different, Im merely pointing out that Mccabe brings nothing to this team and if u wanted to have his 1 attribute that is elite (his slapper) you may as well bring Phaneuf who has just about as good of one while having many other attributes like a quicker release, hitting, defence, faster etc...
silly people pat is a manager and hitchcock and martin do the systems
Pat relies on them as he did in 02'
this team Canada just hasnt come together yet
Pat wasn't an idiot in salt lake because we won
and he isnt an idiot now because were loosing to good teams
these players are professionals they need to motivate themselves
and if they cant they shouldnt be at such an elite level!
Just like in salt lake city Pat is there to manage
a balance between all the intangibles that come at that elite level
Pat relies on them as he did in 02'
this team Canada just hasnt come together yet
Pat wasn't an idiot in salt lake because we won
and he isnt an idiot now because were loosing to good teams
these players are professionals they need to motivate themselves
and if they cant they shouldnt be at such an elite level!
Just like in salt lake city Pat is there to manage
a balance between all the intangibles that come at that elite level
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Whether it's Quinn's coaching that is at fault or not, he needs to step down and let either Martin or Hitchcock take over...
One thing is clear, Team Canada is not responding to Quinn.l
One thing is clear, Team Canada is not responding to Quinn.l
think blue modterator..please tell me thats a sarcastic clap??think/blue said:
I can't really imagine you would give a bush league post like that an ovation.
Quinn is a big problem, among many other problems.
Yes, the defense looks slow and their bigger and stronger defenseman are being beat along the boards by smaller forwards. The forwards are losing puck battles as well and all the shots are coming fron the perimeter.
I never liked Quinn in 2002 (dispite winning) and I thought Canada won dispite Quinn, not because of Quinn. His systems just don't adapt, and look rigid while teams like Finland move the puck quick and catches Canada flat footed.
Quinn's also supposed to motivate his players, and hasn't done that.
Honestly, outside of tapping players on the shoulder for a shift, I don't think Quinn's done anything.
Yes, the defense looks slow and their bigger and stronger defenseman are being beat along the boards by smaller forwards. The forwards are losing puck battles as well and all the shots are coming fron the perimeter.
I never liked Quinn in 2002 (dispite winning) and I thought Canada won dispite Quinn, not because of Quinn. His systems just don't adapt, and look rigid while teams like Finland move the puck quick and catches Canada flat footed.
Quinn's also supposed to motivate his players, and hasn't done that.
Honestly, outside of tapping players on the shoulder for a shift, I don't think Quinn's done anything.
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Eb0la11 said:
so what happened in 02?? Team Canada loses to Sweden and you didn't see Quinn start yelling at his players... and guess what, they won the fricken tourney!!!
To say that he can't control this team is bull because he has PROVEN he can win a gold with Team Canada.
This is a roster full of vets... what good is yelling going to do? Do you think that guys like Sakic, Foote, Pronger, Blake, etc are going to respond now to yelling, when Quinn didn't have to do this in 02?
Until this tourney is over, panicing makes no sense... yelling at players is just that... these guys aren't 20 YOs that haven't been there... they are all experienced players... guys that have played for Team Canada before... many who have won Cups, championships and played in HUGE games.
Quinn is an experienced coach and knows a hell of a lot more about how to treat this team than any of us - not because he's some great coach, but because he's won the Olympics with this team... he, along with Hitchcock and Martin have already coached the team to a gold... and guess what, he's not all of a sudden a totally different coach/person. He's the same guy... and if he felt that yelling at the team wasn't needed after their loss to Sweden in 02, and they went on to win the gold, then why would he now think to change that strategy??
again we're not talking about a bunch of young players here... we're talking about a very experienced roster that has been there before and won it all before.
Has Quinn ever won anything of importance outside of the Olympics? Like seriously... He can't do it in TO with a huge payroll and he now can't do much of anything with a cap this year. Hes ALWAYS had a good team, and never really done anything except for the Olmypics where he had an UNREAL team... I mean I could go coach the olympic mens Team Canada team and win the Olympics once outta at least 3 years on skill alone. Quinns pretty usless...
Quinn cannot motivate his players.
In fact he can't inspire anyone.
When I witness him hold up the grocery store lineup, because he was haggling over the price of yogurt, I lost all respect for him.
Benching Nash in the 3rd.
In fact he can't inspire anyone.
When I witness him hold up the grocery store lineup, because he was haggling over the price of yogurt, I lost all respect for him.
Benching Nash in the 3rd.
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What does it say about the players on the team if they need motivating, especially on the world stage playing for their country...?
Completely ridiculous criticism.
Completely ridiculous criticism.
Exactly what you said. It's completely rediculous.think/blue said:
The top stars on this team - Thornton, Sakic, Iginla, Bertuzzi, et al - have been floating and going through the motions.
Quinn doesn't help either. Players arn't playing well. Some questionable picks. All around, all you can do is just laugh at how many reasons why Canada should be losing more.
Oh I see, so it's the players' responsibility to come up with lines that have chemistry. It's the players' responsibbility to come up with a system, and practice it until it works the way it's supposed to. It's the players' responsbility to make line changes, and ensure that every player on the team is playing as a cohesive unit...think/blue said:
All in addition to worrying about their own individual play...
It's reasoning like that that loses hockey games.
If coaching is so unimportant, why do we even need Quinn in the first place? Hmmm?? If the players can organize themselves, why even have coaches?
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