SeanMoneyHands
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Pastrnak or Kovalchuk?
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Aashir Mallik
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Let me just preface saying I never watched Kovalchuk so I only have his stats to go off of, if I’m wrong feel free to correct me:
Kovalchuks best season was either 03-04 or 11-12
In 03-04 he had 87 in 81, won the rocket (tied totals with 2 others), 2nd in points and 8th in PPG but a couple guys only played 40ish games, and finally 10th in the hart. The impressive fact was that he outscored his second best teammate by 32 points and 21 goals. The team as a whole was not good, as they were 20th in the league in standings
In 11-12 he had 83 in 77, came 6th in rocket, 5th in points and 5th in PPG (Crosby only played 20ish games), and finally 10th in hart again. Gap between teammates wasn't as impressive as he had a 5 point game and 11 goal gap. The team was solid and made the playoffs as WC but were 8th in the league. Again he was good in the playoffs leading the team by 4 points and tied for scoring on his team, 3rd in the league in points too,
from the stats it's close but 03-04 Kovalchuk looks like his peak form, he outpaced his teammates by an absurd rate and was a goal scoring machine.
Pastrnak's best season is either 19-20 or 22-23
In 19-20 he had 95 in 70, won the rocket (tied with Ovi), tied 3rd in points and 4th in PPG and 4th in hart. He outscored his second teammate by 18 points but 17 goals. The team won the presidents trophy and he was alright in the playoffs with 10 in 10.
In 22-23 he had 113 in 82, came 2nd in rocket, 4th in points and T-4th in ppg and 2nd in hart. He outpaced second place on his team by 46 points and 34 goals. The team was next level as they were one of the best regular season teams of all time....but then the playoffs happened where he scored goals but didn't do much else.
If pastrnak had won a cup or even had an elite playoff run in either I think I'd vote him pretty easily for peak, but since both years he wasn't amazing I think it becomes closer. I'm gonna go homer vote and say pastrnak since I've watched him and how he tears the leafs apart and he has done the same stuff regular season wise as kovalchuk but gotten higher in the hart voting.
Kovalchuks best season was either 03-04 or 11-12
In 03-04 he had 87 in 81, won the rocket (tied totals with 2 others), 2nd in points and 8th in PPG but a couple guys only played 40ish games, and finally 10th in the hart. The impressive fact was that he outscored his second best teammate by 32 points and 21 goals. The team as a whole was not good, as they were 20th in the league in standings
In 11-12 he had 83 in 77, came 6th in rocket, 5th in points and 5th in PPG (Crosby only played 20ish games), and finally 10th in hart again. Gap between teammates wasn't as impressive as he had a 5 point game and 11 goal gap. The team was solid and made the playoffs as WC but were 8th in the league. Again he was good in the playoffs leading the team by 4 points and tied for scoring on his team, 3rd in the league in points too,
from the stats it's close but 03-04 Kovalchuk looks like his peak form, he outpaced his teammates by an absurd rate and was a goal scoring machine.
Pastrnak's best season is either 19-20 or 22-23
In 19-20 he had 95 in 70, won the rocket (tied with Ovi), tied 3rd in points and 4th in PPG and 4th in hart. He outscored his second teammate by 18 points but 17 goals. The team won the presidents trophy and he was alright in the playoffs with 10 in 10.
In 22-23 he had 113 in 82, came 2nd in rocket, 4th in points and T-4th in ppg and 2nd in hart. He outpaced second place on his team by 46 points and 34 goals. The team was next level as they were one of the best regular season teams of all time....but then the playoffs happened where he scored goals but didn't do much else.
If pastrnak had won a cup or even had an elite playoff run in either I think I'd vote him pretty easily for peak, but since both years he wasn't amazing I think it becomes closer. I'm gonna go homer vote and say pastrnak since I've watched him and how he tears the leafs apart and he has done the same stuff regular season wise as kovalchuk but gotten higher in the hart voting.
Sky04
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Pasta from an objective view but Kovalchuk was one of the most fun players to watch. Size, speed, hands and a lethal shot, his hands at top speed was probably the best in the league until McDavid/Mackinnon came along.
Is there a forward with a more lethal one timer from the point like Kovalchuk's was? Everyone else plays the half wall but Kovalchuk was scoring a ton from just inside the blue line.
Is there a forward with a more lethal one timer from the point like Kovalchuk's was? Everyone else plays the half wall but Kovalchuk was scoring a ton from just inside the blue line.
biturbo19
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Kovalchuk would've absolutely murdered today's NHL. He played a lot of his prime in an era that was far less permissive of goal-scoring and still beats out Pasta i think.
He also played most of his prime without anything resembling a #1C. Whereas Pasta has largely spent his career playing with quality centers, even if it's the tail end of their careers. Last year sorta being the "gotcha" to things, but also still really just not enough to convince me.
He also played most of his prime without anything resembling a #1C. Whereas Pasta has largely spent his career playing with quality centers, even if it's the tail end of their careers. Last year sorta being the "gotcha" to things, but also still really just not enough to convince me.
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For a little while there Kovalchuk was, in my opinion, the next best player after Crosby/Ovie/Malkin during their big 3 heyday.
During his time with Atlanta, Kovy WAS the Thrashers. He carried that team like prime Nash did for the Bluejackets. Every single one of his shifts tilted the ice in their favour, and then they tried to hold on for dear life until he could get back on for his next shift.
The stats make it seem close. But I wouldn't care if the stats were a decisive win for Pastrnak. This is Kovy without a slight hesitation.
During his time with Atlanta, Kovy WAS the Thrashers. He carried that team like prime Nash did for the Bluejackets. Every single one of his shifts tilted the ice in their favour, and then they tried to hold on for dear life until he could get back on for his next shift.
The stats make it seem close. But I wouldn't care if the stats were a decisive win for Pastrnak. This is Kovy without a slight hesitation.
