I've read your posts. It's all about business for you...rigghhhhtttt. I don't take issue with your opinion that the Coyotes might be better off someplace else, or that the league may be better off with the Coyotes relocating. Your opinion doesn't bother me. I've lived this Coyote situation since 1997. It is a less than ideal situation no matter your opinion about the market. What I am saying is to argue that the COG was wrong for doing this deal, or the deal shouldn't stand up, is not something an outsider should really have a say in. You have no "dog in that hunt". If the community decides to do this, its their decision. Simply point really. Didn't think it would be that controversial. Doesn't mean this is a "good" market. It just means it stays an NHL market because it did what it had to do for that to be the case.
ha, you didnt read his posts to closely then...he is not a "relocationist" in any sense of the word.... in fact he loves the AHL in Winnipeg, as do some people (not a majority of people feel this way, but thats a fact) and would rather not see an NHL team back simply because of high $$ prices replacing cheaper ones, for a top notch team.
Man honestly, I would love to see a team in Winnipeg...but even I can see this deal is ridiculous. You make a valid point - at least Gdale is doing everything they can to save the team, but I also think just like some "relocationists" are in denial about this almost being a set in stone thing, Phx fans have to be kidding if they cannot see the implications behind $100 million...you guys have community services, rough economy etc...right now, and the city has cleverly "disguised" a $100 million dollar subsidy.
Even CasualFan noted that...and he would know due to his credentials...
But as he also said, from a legal point, this deal is "legal". Thats great for you guys, but your team never turned a profit. Some of these things are hard to hear for Yotes fans...
you also gotta understand my own reasons for being Pro Winnipeg are my own...same with other people, same with both side of the fence ppl...doesnt change the fact of what will happen.
Not everyone who is Pro Winnipeg shares the same beliefs, as I have questioned things in the past, but dont be so blind to what this really is.
Its gonna go through, but I can imagine not every Phx fan is happy about it. Although a Pro Peg guy myself, I was pulling for Phx before...but this is just crazy.
I dont "hope" they move, since I am a Canadiens fan first...heck hockey for me is like the 2nd or 3rd sport I watch at any given time...
but the business dealings here really show how the world works in the backdoors. Dont fool yourself into thinking this is a "good deal"
thats just your personal interests getting in the way of what could be considered "right and wrong"
I am happy for Phx fans that this nightmare could finally be closing, and I am sad for Winnipeg fans getting their hopes up until everything was done and one (which it still quite isnt, might I add) but this 100 Million dollars to subsidize a hockey team in a market...wow...you can manage an arena just fine without a major league team there. Especially when its just not a strong market...too many other sports, yes; too many distractions. Why else do you think most Canadian NHL teams are a way of life with people?
A lot of NHL fans in Winnipeg have got used to cheering for the Yotes too...dont play into that whole "vulture" aspect either.
There are some legitimate concerns with this deal man, honestly, and it might just be harsh for you hearing the truth...
Personally, as an annoymous individual over the internet, I wish you luck as a fan, but I am sorry to see something like this going un-noticed.
Maybe the right thing to do is try to lure the NHL back once the CoG gets their priorities in order getting rid of their debt.
I guarantee most Winnipeggers would not be too pleased with TNSE vying for an NHL team if they were in debt in all their dealings...but actions are louder than words, and they are a true professional hockey/arena management team.
So, good luck to you and other Phx fans. Sorry there isnt enough time to get more commitment from MH not to bend over an already bent over city of 200k.
We all will move on if the Yotes stay put, dont worry haha but the business aspect of it is genuinely intriguing...
edit: and the broken sounding sentences are in part to a nasty nasty flu I have right now...but please understand my point: objectively this lease is only hurting the hard working ppl who voted their government in power in the first to WATCH over their tax money, not use some crazy spin like its actually a good thing. This is the subliminal context that is also being debated behind the deal, is it really good for Glendale financially?
or is Cotton Candy actually all fluff and bad for your health....?
and thats the...erm..."100 million dollar question"