Post-Game Talk: Parental guidance advised

[OilerTitanFan]

When Gretz was paid a million the average journeyman was making 30-35/hr. Fast forward and players are making over 10M and journeyman got about a 5 dollar raise, maybe 10. Something wrong with the math. Thing thats changed is that pro sports and entertainment have priced themselves out of any reasonable range.

In anycase you'd made the case that a Million a year wouldn't afford housing here in Edmonton. You could buy the house for that. Buy two, why not....


Just because. Listen to the logic.

I live in Vancouver so I'm using vancouver prices. Haha. I was imagining how podkolzin got to work last season. Probably took public transport carrying his gear to the rink.

 

[Soundwave]

What has Skinner done this year to show he can handle NHl minutes let alone top. He hasn’t done ANYTHING to deserve icetime.

That's not even accurate, he was one of the better players on the team in the first 3-5 games where even McDavid was ass and moping about from the Finals loss, but he still wasn't given a proper look on that McDavid line.

Jeff Skinner has scored 30+ goals multiple times in this league and even had a 40 goal season two years ago. He doesn't need the "prove" himself like a 18 year old rookie.

If you're going to sign veteran players play them in the role they signed up for, don't do stupid shit like sign a guy to be in your top 6 and then basically not play him in your top 6 ever.

That's bush league amateur hour shit for a franchise. Florida under Zito would not handle this same situation the same way. For starters if Knob wasn't going to give this player a fair look maybe he should speak up once in a freaking while and say something.

Is this dude bordering on being a freaking mute? Like he says nothing to the refs even when the team is getting freaking bent over by horrific officiating, quiet as a mouse on the bench, doesn't say anything apparently when the team is signing players to significant money contracts (that 3 million isn't nothing) to players he apparently has no intention of using. If you were not going to use this player, why did you not say anything on July 1?

I'll give him that he's a very good defensive coach (or is that mostly Coffey's work?), but sheesh.

RNH's points per 60 (5 on 5) is horrific with McDavid too, it's almost impossibly bad. Like I think Yakupov and Pouliot may have had a higher points/60 with McDavid when he was a rookie, like it's "holy f*** how is this even possible?" levels of bad. How can you not even give anyone else a chance there as a coach? Hilariously when Arvidsson was put on that line he immediately scores and gets a primary assist right away and Knob reacts to that by shoving RNH right back on line 1. Like WTF.

 

[CycloneSweep]

That's not even accurate, he was one of the better players on the team in the first 3-5 games where even McDavid was ass and moping about from the Finals loss, but he still wasn't given a proper look on that McDavid line.

Jeff Skinner has scored 30+ goals multiple times in this league and even had a 40 goal season two years ago. He doesn't need the "prove" himself like a 18 year old rookie.

If you're going to sign veteran players play them in the role they signed up for, don't do stupid shit like sign a guy to be in your top 6 and then basically not play him in your top 6 ever.

That's bush league amateur hour shit for a franchise. Florida under Zito would not handle this same situation the same way. For starters if Knob wasn't going to give this player a fair look maybe he should speak up once in a freaking while and say something.

Is this dude bordering on being a freaking mute? Like he says nothing to the refs even when the team is getting freaking bent over by horrific officiating, quiet as a mouse on the bench, doesn't say anything apparently when the team is signing players to significant money contracts (that 3 million isn't nothing) to players he apparently has no intention of using. If you were not going to use this player, why did you not say anything on July 1?

I'll give him that he's a very good defensive coach (or is that mostly Coffey's work?), but sheesh.

RNH's points per 60 (5 on 5) is horrific with McDavid too, it's almost impossibly bad. Like I think Yakupov and Pouliot may have had a higher points/60 with McDavid when he was a rookie, like it's "holy f*** how is this even possible?" levels of bad. How can you not even give anyone else a chance there as a coach? Hilariously when Arvidsson was put on that line he immediately scores and gets a primary assist right away and Knob reacts to that by shoving RNH right back on line 1. Like WTF.

Skinner came into a playoff team and plays like wins are optional. Scoring is great but when you do the rest as bad as a junior player?

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Every team in the league sags at times during an 82 game schedule. What McDrai have never had is a goalie that will help them get results even in a string of less than ideal games. Indeed the causation of the weak starts the last two seasons was some pretty questionable goaltending. It eventually drags on a team dependent so much on a few players that they don't have a starting goalie, and that they don't have a deep lineup of players producing.

Heres an eye opener. The Washington Caps have 8 players with 23 or more pts. The Oilers have 3. The team with only 3 guns is going to have trouble at times in the schedule when any of those guns are jammed.

We also nearly halfway into a season have only 3 forwards with more than 7 goals. that is laughable, really awful scoring depth to this point.

Hense why I keep saying we need another forward. 1 top 6 guy and the whole team slides into place. Nuge can go center line 3.

1 working and functional Jeff Skinner please

Our depth ain't cutting it.

 

[TB12]

That's not even accurate, he was one of the better players on the team in the first 3-5 games where even McDavid was ass and moping about from the Finals loss, but he still wasn't given a proper look on that McDavid line.

Jeff Skinner has scored 30+ goals multiple times in this league and even had a 40 goal season two years ago. He doesn't need the "prove" himself like a 18 year old rookie.

If you're going to sign veteran players play them in the role they signed up for, don't do stupid shit like sign a guy to be in your top 6 and then basically not play him in your top 6 ever.

That's bush league amateur hour shit for a franchise. Florida under Zito would not handle this same situation the same way. For starters if Knob wasn't going to give this player a fair look maybe he should speak up once in a freaking while and say something.

Is this dude bordering on being a freaking mute? Like he says nothing to the refs even when the team is getting freaking bent over by horrific officiating, quiet as a mouse on the bench, doesn't say anything apparently when the team is signing players to significant money contracts (that 3 million isn't nothing) to players he apparently has no intention of using. If you were not going to use this player, why did you not say anything on July 1?

I'll give him that he's a very good defensive coach (or is that mostly Coffey's work?), but sheesh.

RNH's points per 60 (5 on 5) is horrific with McDavid too, it's almost impossibly bad. Like I think Yakupov and Pouliot may have had a higher points/60 with McDavid when he was a rookie, like it's "holy f*** how is this even possible?" levels of bad. How can you not even give anyone else a chance there as a coach? Hilariously when Arvidsson was put on that line he immediately scores and gets a primary assist right away and Knob reacts to that by shoving RNH right back on line 1. Like WTF.

There ya go, keep repeating the same shit over and over and over. Your crusade against Knob is already tiring. Give it a rest.

 

[Drivesaitl]

That's not even accurate, he was one of the better players on the team in the first 3-5 games where even McDavid was ass and moping about from the Finals loss, but he still wasn't given a proper look on that McDavid line.

Jeff Skinner has scored 30+ goals multiple times in this league and even had a 40 goal season two years ago. He doesn't need the "prove" himself like a 18 year old rookie.

If you're going to sign veteran players play them in the role they signed up for, don't do stupid shit like sign a guy to be in your top 6 and then basically not play him in your top 6 ever.

That's bush league amateur hour shit for a franchise. Florida under Zito would not handle this same situation the same way. For starters if Knob wasn't going to give this player a fair look maybe he should speak up once in a freaking while and say something.

Is this dude bordering on being a freaking mute? Like he says nothing to the refs even when the team is getting freaking bent over by horrific officiating, quiet as a mouse on the bench, doesn't say anything apparently when the team is signing players to significant money contracts (that 3 million isn't nothing) to players he apparently has no intention of using. If you were not going to use this player, why did you not say anything on July 1?

I'll give him that he's a very good defensive coach (or is that mostly Coffey's work?), but sheesh.

RNH's points per 60 (5 on 5) is horrific with McDavid too, it's almost impossibly bad. Like I think Yakupov and Pouliot may have had a higher points/60 with McDavid when he was a rookie, like it's "holy f*** how is this even possible?" levels of bad. How can you not even give anyone else a chance there as a coach? Hilariously when Arvidsson was put on that line he immediately scores and gets a primary assist right away and Knob reacts to that by shoving RNH right back on line 1. Like WTF.

Soundwave saying a poster is not even being accurate while telling us Jeff Skinner scored 40 goals two years ago... Soundwave posts the facts are optional, and rare. Must fact check. <fails test>

 

[TheNumber4]

JSkinners lack of defence is being hyperbolized here I think. Show me 3 goals that’s on his shoulders this year. Is that even possible?

 

[Yuke]

The short time frame where Jeff Jackson was interim GM is looking more and more like a setback for the organization. Replacing Foegel and McLeod with Skinner and Arvidson was a mistake..

Have you seen anywhere that Foegele wanted to stay, I have not. I did hear he mentioned/ complain it was hard to get ice time in Edmonton due to Leon and Connor.

 

[CROTT]

Have you seen anywhere that Foegele wanted to stay, I have not. I did hear he mentioned/ complain it was hard to get ice time in Edmonton due to Leon and Connor.

I don’t think it was hard to get opportunity, just he never really showed that well when given top six minutes.McLeod was the same would have a few good games with Draisaitl the the well would run dry.

 

[TB12]

I don’t think it was hard to get opportunity, just he never really showed that well when given top six minutes.McLeod was the same would have a few good games with Draisaitl the the well would run dry.

Agreed. Is it any wonder McLeod looks good on a bottom feeder team this year? Kind of like how J. Skinner looked good on a garbage Buffalo team for a lot of years, too. I will never ever miss McLeod in this lineup. Soft as baby shit and not a player you win in the playoffs with.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

The short time frame where Jeff Jackson was interim GM is looking more and more like a setback for the organization. Replacing Foegel and McLeod with Skinner and Arvidson was a mistake..

Ya the 2 guys who completely disappeared for over 3 quarters of the playoffs 3 years in a row. There’s a reason they are gone.

Arvidisson is a gamer and if healthy will bring more in the playoffs. J Skinner is looking like a mistake but hardly some organization set back. He’s either dumped for peanuts and replaced or manages to find his game and we have a goal scorer for the playoffs.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Agreed. Is it any wonder McLeod looks good on a bottom feeder team this year? Kind of like how J. Skinner looked good on a garbage Buffalo team for a lot of years, too. I will never ever miss McLeod in this lineup. Soft as baby shit and not a player you win in the playoffs with.

Yeah. It is generally easier to look good on a shit team. Canucks loaded up on that kind of factor. The NHL is a very flawed league where in an 82 game schedule a large segment of games are not even contested, one or more teams don't even show up and go through the motions. Many other games a good team is spanking a bad team for fun and at score of 6-2 don't really care if they give up some garbage goals late. Results had in lotto clubs can be particularly suspicious. Teams like Buffalo are opponents that are perrenially not cared about. They would see the weakest opponent efforts because they are just not a factor. I remember the season a couple years ago where Tage Thompson fired in 47G Skinner had 35 and Alex Tuch of all people scored 36G and was somehow a PPG player that year. Seemed like a big mirage. I do think Tage Thompson could score on a lot of teams with his size shot etc. But the Alex Tuch thing is just bizarre, and perhaps evidence that its just grabbing some candy on bad teams. Seemed like everytime I was seeing a sabres game one club had 6 or more goals and it was river hockey. Really elevates the stats when teams play loose.

Sure Jeff Skinner has been a regular scorer and seems legit as a scorer but always on bad clubs.

I don't miss McLeod for his scoring. More so for pk and zone outs and zone entries which he was very good at. having McLeod relieved pressure from Leon or others to advance puck and allowed the unique option for Drai to be trailer instead of being every part of transition or moving puck up himself. Speed is always good.

 

[Soundwave]

Soundwave saying a poster is not even being accurate while telling us Jeff Skinner scored 40 goals two years ago... Soundwave posts the facts are optional, and rare. Must fact check. <fails test>

Oh ok, "only" 35 goals two years ago without a superstar to play with. Clearly should be treated like a rookie player.

 

[Soundwave]

I don't buy the "it's easy to look good on a shitty team". On what planet?

This is the NHL not a beer league, no one takes it easy on bad teams and everyone takes glee in kicking you when you are down. We had a first hand look at this for a freaking decade when other teams would kick us in the teeth and shut us down without mercy, not giving players like Yakupov and Paajarvi and RNHs of the world the slightest bit of charity ever.

Opposing teams don't gift away freebie goals, it affects their plus/minus and all the guys are aware of that and goalies get pissed off to see their save percentage and GAA impacted.

It's harder to score on bad teams, not easier (ask Sam Reinhart).

 

[Soundwave]

JSkinners lack of defence is being hyperbolized here I think. Show me 3 goals that’s on his shoulders this year. Is that even possible?

There was one instance where he got shit on for getting "dangled" on a GA but it turns out he came across the zone to cover for Corey Perry who wasn't back and try to cover for him.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Definitely agree with you here. LA and Vancouver as opponents is about as easy as it gets. To get two in a row like that and avoid Vegas is some gold.

Dallas as well are a team that doesn't have a SC pedigree like Colorado. I don't know if we get out of division this year but it'll be way tougher having to meet Vegas to get out of division. Then probably having a harder conference final opponent than Dallas.

The Oilers had the fortune of facing zero SC winning clubs throughout the playoffs last season. They didn't have to topple even one recent cup winner in their path. its rarely as easy as that.

Vegas in 2023 had to topple absolutely nobody en route to their Cup. The Avs got afterthoughts and a Lightning team at the end of their contention. Lightning themselves faced… the mighty Jackets, Bruins, Islanders… even the Panthers faced a bunch of patsies who gave them no trouble until they ran into us.

 

[Yuke]

I don’t think it was hard to get opportunity, just he never really showed that well when given top six minutes.McLeod was the same would have a few good games with Draisaitl the the well would run dry.

Did you see anywhere that he wanted to resign?