15th overall
Kerfoot/Johnsson
Liljegren/Dermott
Bracco
Or
A deal revolving around Nylander
Both more than comparable to other teams(fans) proposals.
Oh wait, my bad. I get it. I’m a Leafs fan so automatically, my proposal is crap. Forgot how HF boards works...
He was one player on a good blues team and lots of junior players with stronger resumes have average careers... Some other notable memorial cup MVPs in the last decade include Sam steel, Dylan Strome, Edgar kulda and Michael Chaput Shawinigain. Such HOF class right there. What's he done as a NHL besides shotgun on a good blues team?Average. Funny. By his 20th birthday he won a Memorial Cup, WJC gold, and Stanley Cup. Was OHL Playoff MVP when he won 2nd OHL title. I suppose he is pacing to be average Hall of Famer if he continues this trajectory. Is that what you meant?
if you ask for parayko, who is immovable, you definitely have to move your practically immovable futures or someone else does the deal.
and only toronto can make an offer? with your top prospects off the table the offer will beaten easily by one of the other 29 teams.The entire premise of this thread is that Parayko is the odd man out to accommodate Pietrangelo.
Understood, but it is a bad premise. The Blues have lots of other options available to make space for Pietrangelo.The entire premise of this thread is that Parayko is the odd man out to accommodate Pietrangelo.
I don’t think we should trade him at all so I don’t have an answer there for you. I’d probably do a more futures based blue chip prospect and draft pick based deal for him then if that’s the constraint on acquiring a roster player if I was ever in some dire situation to move him
and only toronto can make an offer? with your top prospects off the table the offer will beaten easily by one of the other 29 teams.
Understood, but it is a bad premise. The Blues have lots of other options available to make space for Pietrangelo.
We could trade Bozak, Schwartz, Steen, Gunnarsson, etc. We might have to sweeten the pot to move some of them, but it would be better than trading Parayko.How so?
I agree there are so many other ways to keep both.Understood, but it is a bad premise. The Blues have lots of other options available to make space for Pietrangelo.
Look buddy if you or your team doesn't want to offer what is needed another team will. Its just that simple esoecially for a unicorn like parayko.Nobody is going to include their #1 prospect for him... teams just generally don't do that.... unless they really have absolutely no focus on developing youth.
It's not a case where "Parayko isn't good enough" -- it's simply a reality that teams generally do not trade the 1-2 guys that they are "highest on".
Bouchard (better than liljgren) lavoie 14ovaHow much more "blue chip" do you think you can get than 15th OA and Liljegren? Just because those names are thrown out there quite often by Leafs fans, doesn't make them any less valuable.
Remember, the teams that have top 10 picks typically are not very good. They're not 1-2 pieces away from contending, and aren't going to trade one or multiple of those high end pieces with 7 years of upside for a guy who's in his prime, and a UFA in 2 years.
If you look at this year's draft; you might be able to convince Buffalo, Minnesota or Winnipeg to move their picks.... but 8 is likely the highest you're going to go; and personally I think it's a stretch. We are entering an era where the cap could be flat for 3-4-5 years. High end picks, and the ELCs they turn into, are going to be incredibly valuable. The concept of trading one/multiple of those to add a $5.5m player is short sighted, to say the least.
I also doubt any of those teams is also going to include a former 17th OA right shot defenceman that's ready to break into the NHL.
Liljgren is a good prospect but he just isn't that highly toatedHow much more "blue chip" do you think you can get than 15th OA and Liljegren? Just because those names are thrown out there quite often by Leafs fans, doesn't make them any less valuable.
Remember, the teams that have top 10 picks typically are not very good. They're not 1-2 pieces away from contending, and aren't going to trade one or multiple of those high end pieces with 7 years of upside for a guy who's in his prime, and a UFA in 2 years.
If you look at this year's draft; you might be able to convince Buffalo, Minnesota or Winnipeg to move their picks.... but 8 is likely the highest you're going to go; and personally I think it's a stretch. We are entering an era where the cap could be flat for 3-4-5 years. High end picks, and the ELCs they turn into, are going to be incredibly valuable. The concept of trading one/multiple of those to add a $5.5m player is short sighted, to say the least.
I also doubt any of those teams is also going to include a former 17th OA right shot defenceman that's ready to break into the NHL.
What about Marner, especially if the Leafs retain 2 million?Just close it. Toronto doesn't have anything that interests me for Parayko.
I would consider that, but I doubt the Leafs brass do.What about Marner, especially if the Leafs retain 2 million?
It also defeats the purpose of having to trade parsyko to free up space youvare adding 4 mil not subtracting 5+I would consider that, but I doubt the Leafs brass do.
I was simply pointing out Toronto does have assets St. Louis would be interested in, and responding to your comment, “Just close it. Toronto doesn't have anything that interests me for Paryako.”I would consider that, but I doubt the Leafs brass do.
Fair enough. Point well taken.I was simply pointing out Toronto does have assets St. Louis would be interested in, and responding to your comment, “Just close it. Toronto doesn't have anything that interests me for Paryako.”
Liljgren is a good prospect but he just isn't that highly toated
We could trade Bozak, Schwartz, Steen, Gunnarsson, etc. We might have to sweeten the pot to move some of them, but it would be better than trading Parayko.
Bouchard (better than liljgren) lavoie 14ova
That so far is the deal to beat. Also ottowa put out there 5ova +. So you lose the bid
Liljgren is a good prospect but he just isn't that highly toated
Right but he is more than enough with 15 ova for parayko plus a crap throw in lol.He has also seemed to have fallen out of favor with Leafs fans vs. this time last year.
Of course Steen is going to have to go. But after that, those deals will begin to hurt a lot more than moving Parayko -- especially considering they'll be without Tarasenko for a good chunk of the year.
Go float that on the Edmonton board and see what they think... Bouchard is likely going to step in this year and fill an immediate need for them at $900k.
As for Ottawa, anyone that thinks they're going to part with a 5th OA to pay a guy $5.5m to walk in 2 years is completely out to lunch. The Sens are going to do what they always do and look for value pickups -- whether they can get somebody to compensate them for taking on a high-cap hit / low salary player (Steen comes to mind); or somebody in the 22-25 year old range that they can acquire for mid-round picks, and best case have a long term player, worst case, have some deadline pieces to move in a year or two.
Maybe not, that's why you're also likely to get a 15th OA and a roster forward.
Of course Steen is going to have to go. But after that, those deals will begin to hurt a lot more than moving Parayko -- especially considering they'll be without Tarasenko for a good chunk of the year.
Go float that on the Edmonton board and see what they think... Bouchard is likely going to step in this year and fill an immediate need for them at $900k.
As for Ottawa, anyone that thinks they're going to part with a 5th OA to pay a guy $5.5m to walk in 2 years is completely out to lunch. The Sens are going to do what they always do and look for value pickups -- whether they can get somebody to compensate them for taking on a high-cap hit / low salary player (Steen comes to mind); or somebody in the 22-25 year old range that they can acquire for mid-round picks, and best case have a long term player, worst case, have some deadline pieces to move in a year or two.
Maybe not, that's why you're also likely to get a 15th OA and a roster forward.