Rumor: Panthers interested in Tyson Barrie

[Meeqs]

Move along people, the Panthers aren’t making the playoffs and Tallon won’t do anything at the deadline to be a buyer.

This isn't about this year, its about setting up for the off season and the future fam

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

I think a 1st and Tippett/Deni would work as well as a basis but that doesn't help them clear any cap, its the opposite and I'm not sure thats so much better of an offer that the Avs would be inclined to take on any cap space.

Not that Fla themselves wont have any lack of offers for Hoffman(depending on how his bad press has aged) or Hubby.

Tallon is also pretty old school so I wonder how much stock he puts into Hubbys +/- when he's looking for a culture change.

What makes this fun is it seems like we agree on pretty much everything but Tallon has always been on to be a bit of a wild card.

Enjoyed the discussion.

Tippett is needed going forward if we trade Hoffman, similar sniper like players.

The slim 5% chance that makes me think Tallon would trade Huberdeau is obviously for that defensive top 4 RD but also Heponiemi being a possible Huberdeau replacement and then signing Panarin. The kid is tearing it up in every league/tourney he is playing right now.

We can add Tippett and Heponiemi over the next year or two, both on their ELCs and pretty sure both are expansion exempt. If Panarin comes then Hoff leaves because we need to re-sign Dadonov.

Gotta go to bed, the endless speculation is keeping me up
Enjoyed the chat too.

 

[Freudian]

collusion

 

[Patagonia]

I just told you it seems collusion. Teams are secretly helping you to do a quick rebuild while all of us get screwed in the top 10. Whether there’s favors coming down the line while you draft this year we don’t know.

Tell me when the last time a team drafted 3 lottery firsts please? Please tell me that statistic. If you can’t than we can easily say that’s a possibility of collusion.

Mic drop. I’m done with this thread for good.

Collusions seems to be a stretch when Sens Pick (2 years ago) + AVs (own) + FLD (if traded).

Maybe the league should investigate signing Panarin + Bobrovsky as rumoured in the offseason was a secret deal. Wouldn't this be considered suspect and possibly tampering?

Whatever you might believe, AVs have steadily rebuilt their team to position themselves in doing these type of deals.

 

[JoemAvs]

Not sure it makes sense after they gave Matheson that somewhat questionable contract..
Would be a lot of money locked up on the blueline going forward.

From an Avs POV I would very much like it. Not many better potential trading partners around than the Panthers. Young forwards on great contracts, one of the better prospect pools in the league and what is probably a lottery pick they might be willing to part with. Lots of things to choose from.

Odds are that if Tallon really wants Barrie, there would be a way to make this work.
IMO it would have to include a Reimer- Varlamov swap as well. Frees up capspace and I think Varly could be a decent plan B if Bob asks for too much or goes somewhere else. Not sure about his relationship with Panarin but he has the same agent now as well. And if nothing else the swap frees up money for Bob/Barrie...

Might offset the difference in contract length between Barrie and some of the Panthers assets a bit.

 

[CanadianPantherFan]

Why are the Panthers in on Barrie ? Is Yandle retiring ?

The Oilers have needed a guy like Barrie since forever, and have struck out swinging. RNH for Barrie makes sense, or Pooljuice plus Oilers 1st-future 1st unprotected.

Losing Hubs in a deal would be gut punch. Especially for offensive minded Dman which the Panthers are overflowing in.

 

[VikingAv]

Do you agree that if Avalanche got your first for Barrie. This would be fine line tampering? They already have first overall and 10 and you would be giving them 9 overall for him as well. Other Owners and GMs would definitely have concerns about that. Collusion of helping the Avalanche one year rebuild through the draft.

I’m just saying and speculating.

#1: Every GM would rather have Barrie and Duchene than two magic beans who might help some years down the road. GMs are in the business of winning. Now.
#2: "Avs have first overall". Lol wut? If the Sens finish last the Avs have 18,5% chance of picking first and more than a 50% chance of picking 4th. We know. We experienced it first hand just two years ago.
#3: There are busts/semi-busts picked in the top 10 every single year. Top ten picks is absolutely no guarantee.
#4: "Tampering". "Collusion". Lol, Bullshit.

 

[Super Hans]

This tampering rant is the best thing I've seen since the 27-game sample size rant.

 

[Brock Radunske]

Huberdeau for Barrie

Panthers need a better defensive system though...Barrie won't fix that. Their team defense is a disaster and hard to watch. Barkov is great but no wonder he sticks out so much defensively

Wouldn't a winger for winger trade be a lateral move?

 

[Bender]

INCONCEIVABLE!

 

[Ivan13]

Why are the Panthers in on Barrie ? Is Yandle retiring ?

The Oilers have needed a guy like Barrie since forever, and have struck out swinging. RNH for Barrie makes sense, or Pooljuice plus Oilers 1st-future 1st unprotected.

Losing Hubs in a deal would be gut punch. Especially for offensive minded Dman which the Panthers are overflowing in.

Sure as hell doesn't make sense for the Avs. And neither does Huberdeau. Although I expect nothing more than a senseless return given our franchise's history.

 

[JoemAvs]

Sure as hell doesn't make sense for the Avs. And neither does Huberdeau. Although I expect nothing more than a senseless return given our franchise's history.

Are you serious?

At this point in the season I gladly take either. And I have never been a huge fan of RNH.

Barrie won't be worth his next contract (especially to the Avs with Makar and OFD in general being the strength of our organisation) and the 2 years he has left on a good contract will be completely wasted on the Avs...

I hope Sakic pulls the trigger asap and I consider myself one of the bigger Barrie fans in comparison to other fans in our fanbase..

 

[Ivan13]

Are you serious?

At this point in the season I gladly take either. And I have never been a huge fan of RNH.

Barrie won't be worth his next contract and the 2 years he has left on a good contract will be completely wasted on the Avs...

I hope Sakic pulls the trigger asap and I consider myself one of the bigger Barrie fans in comparison to other fans in our fanbase..

Hilarious. Let's trade our best D because reasons.

 

[JoemAvs]

Hilarious. Let's trade our best D because reasons.

Reason is he won't be close to worth it for the Avs...

We have Girard already who is undersized and probably tops out as more of an OFD going forward as well as one of the top3 prospects in the world right now that also is a smaller right handed D whose calling card is offense...

What better reasons do you need?
Barrie simply is not worth his pricetag at all to the Avs given what we have.
Hope Sakic is smart enough to realize that. Odds are he doesn't want to pay him anyways in the summer so might as well rip the bandaid off now.

The Avs organizational strength clearly is smaller, offensive minded PMD right now...
IMO it does not make sense to dish out big money to Barrie given our strength and weaknesses.
Makes way more sense to trade him to adress our weaknesses.

 

[Ivan13]

Reason is he won't be close to worth it for the Avs...

We have Girard already who is undersized and probably tops out as more of an OFD going forward as well as one of the top3 prospects in the world right now that also is a smaller right handed D whose calling card is offense...

What better reasons do you need?
Barrie simply is not worth his pricetag at all to the Avs given what we have.
Hope Sakic is smart enough to realize that. Odds are he doesn't want to pay him anyways in the summer so might as well rip the bandaid off now.

The Avs organizational strength clearly is smaller, offensive minded PMD right now...
IMO it does not make sense to dish out big money to Barrie given our strength and weaknesses.
Makes way more sense to trade him to adress our weaknesses.

And I stopped reading there. Not sure how many times I have to repeat, but here it goes again, Cale Makar is not an offensive D. He is not small, he is not suspect defensively, he is not weak etc. Girard hasn't proved shit. He's struggling mightily and will never come close to being anywhere near as good as Tyson. Furthermore, when he asks for the market value we can ship him out as well, because why pay your stars, cap space and magic beans is what's it all about.

 

[nightonthesun]

Barrie is excellent. I don't want to lose him. But, if it turns out that trading him would satisfy a need without creating another one, I would do it.

Barrie stays until someone else can do his job and that is contingent on Makar [who isn't small or weak or suspect defensively but is still expected to be effective on offense]. I don't think we'll even be able to begin assessing that until next season.

 

[JoemAvs]

And I stopped reading there. Not sure how many times I have to repeat, but here it goes again, Cale Makar is not an offensive D. He is not small, he is not suspect defensively, he is not weak etc. Girard hasn't proved ****. He's struggling mightily and will never come close to being anywhere near as good as Tyson. Furthermore, when he asks for the market value we can ship him out as well, because why pay your stars, cap space and magic beans is what's it all about.

You clearly shouldn't have stopped reading.
I never said Makar is suspect defensively. I said his calling card is offense. Thats why we drafted him. I also believe his defensive ability is getting really overrated by you and others. I hope he can develop into a great two-way D going forward but I am way more comfortable in his offense translating than him ever being a guy you want to rely on to shut the other top line down.

Will he ever be as good offensively as Barrie ? Probably not. But if he is as good defensively as you think, I still gladly make that tradeoff. Add the huge contract Barrie will get and what we get for him in return and its a no brainer.
Its not like the Avs will be completely hopeless without Barrie offensively. Girard is 20 years old and having a bit of a sophomore slump. Big deal. I already like his defensive game enough to not worry about whether his offense will come or not. I think it will but even if it doesn't, it won't be the end of the world given what else we have. Barrie is simply not worth his next contract to a team like us. The sooner Sakic realizes that the better.

 

[Postanin CB Ting]

Anyone saying were "tampering" is foolish. We had to lose a 1C and now maybe a top 3D for these picks.

 

[Newt91]

And I stopped reading there. Not sure how many times I have to repeat, but here it goes again, Cale Makar is not an offensive D. He is not small, he is not suspect defensively, he is not weak etc. Girard hasn't proved ****. He's struggling mightily and will never come close to being anywhere near as good as Tyson. Furthermore, when he asks for the market value we can ship him out as well, because why pay your stars, cap space and magic beans is what's it all about.

I mean Makar has put up points at every level he's played and is slightly smaller than the average NHL defensemen. But I agree, he won't be solely offensive since I think he'll be able to hold his own defensively

 

[nightonthesun]

Christ alive. This "tampering" crap is Infowars-level delusion. If a team that wasn't the Avs managed to pick three times in the top ten through whatever ratio of cleverness and luck applies, I'd hate em for it, but it would be an impressive feat undeserving of rebuke.

 

[Frenchy]

Id trade Barrie for Huberdeau but not Hoffman

I would too , having Huberdeau would give them the much needed help on the second line( The Avs wont be a one line team anymore ). Hoffman ? No thanks , The Avs dont need all the drama that comes with him .

 

[Foppberg]

They should step in and say that’s tampering. Knowing you have two top 10 picks one being first overall and trading with Panthers for another lottery pick is tampering. You’ll have 9 and 10 plus first overall.

It’s collusion of Avs wanting a one year rebuild and other teams are secretly helping you. That’s how I would spin it to Bettman if I was in that top 10 draft lottery. NBA would step in so fast. Soooo fast if this was the NBA.

And you’re in denial because you’ll have 3 lottery picks and everything benefits you. Take off your homer glasses and look at the scenario if it was other way around.

LOL Christ...

 

[Rumplesnipeskin]

I’m thinking In the draft positions you’re in already? Adding another lottery pick seems like collusion. I can’t remember a time where a team had 3 lottery picks in a single draft. In a very long time. That screams collusion and tampering to me. And like I said NBA wouldn’t stand for it.

I’ve said my piece. And those are my thoughts. Carry on with your rumor mill thread. I won’t derail anymore.

Are you sure you didn’t get lost on the way to the Oilers board, complaining about draft picks? Also, I’d direct you to Merriam Webster for the definition of collusion. That said, I appreciate the comic relief provided to the thread thus far.

#neverstopcolluding

 

[AvsFan29]

LOL Christ...

I hope the collusion is successful and we get that 3rd pick, as well as our 1st overall, that is apparently also part of this conspiracy.

 

[AvsFan29]

Hilarious. Let's trade our best D because reasons.

It's kinda tricky trading Barrie when we haven't seen Makar. Trading Barrie right now will get us the most value, but we don't exactly have a replacement. Girard seems to be picking up his offence, and Graves has been a good surprise. Losing Barrie for a pick would leave a hole, but it might be the best decision long term.