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Owen Sound Attack 2024-25 Season Thread, Part II

Right...but if not for the NCAA he would've been back for at least one more year after being drafted, no?

Or is he really expected to jump to the NHL after being drafted?

I guess what I'm asking is: How many more years would he have played in Owen Sound if he wasn't signed with Penn State?
 
Right...but if not for the NCAA he would've been back for at least one more year after being drafted, no?

Or is he really expected to jump to the NHL after being drafted?

I guess what I'm asking is: How many more years would he have played in Owen Sound if he wasn't signed with Penn State?
3.....still might....there has been no announcement on "commitment" date.
 
3.....still might....there has been no announcement on "commitment" date.
I have a hard time seeing him leave before the 27/28 season personally. I think him moving up to the NCAA is an awful lot less about his skills and more about his body. He's probably got to add about 30 pounds to his 153lbs he played at this year which would be pretty tough to do in a year. I suspect that's why there's no dates tied to his commitment and to your point, the reason he may yet play out his OHL eligibility.

Also considering the players Penn State is chasing, they aren't going to bring Mbuyi in until they think he's ready. That's going to be a tough roster to crack so the team could just as easily defer his commitment if they don't think he's physically where they think he needs to be.
 
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Attack will be making 3 import choices.
Rafik Varosyan and Max Bleicher will be playing in Europe next season
 
Attack will be making 3 import choices.
Rafik Varosyan and Max Bleicher will be playing in Europe next season
I'm curious how they choose to use those picks. It's a crowded roster as it stands. Do you try and get two players with picks 1 and 2 and maybe take a swing for the fences pick at 3 or a guy who may come next year? Anybody they pick is going to have to be an immediate player to jump in this year as they are pushing somebody else off the roster essentially. With how volatile the import draft can be, I find it tough to draft and slot in three new imports all at once. I think optimistically, if they can find two players out of the three picks, that's a win. Import Draft is coming up pretty quickly so we won't have to wait too long to find out.
 
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Is the Attack website going to update who won what at the BBQ and Awards event?
Harry Lumley Memorial Award (Rookie of the Year) – Pierce Mbuyi

Pat McReavy Award (Unsung Hero) – Tristan Delisle

Ray McKelvie Award (2025 Attack 1st Round Selection) – Max Delisle

Red Leckie Memorial Award (Largest Contribution to the Organization) – Landen Hookey

Howard Hindman Award (Scholastic Player of the Year) – Pierce Mbuyi

Tommy Burlington Award (Leading Scorer) – Landen Hookey

Harry Kazarian Memorial Award (Most Improved Player) – Landen Hookey

Jerry Reid Memorial Award (Regular Season Most Valuable Player) – Carter George

Butch Keeling Memorial Award (MVP of the Playoffs) – Carter George

Dan Snyder Memorial Award (Player that maintains a positive outlook at all times in the Dressing Room) – Ethan Kindree

Dave McComb Memorial Award (Leadership and Perseverance) – David Bedkowski

Helen Lewis Players Choice Award (Dedication to the Team On & Off the Ice) – Carter George
 
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Attack will be making 3 import choices.
Rafik Varosyan and Max Bleicher will be playing in Europe next season

Still haven't seen a report on Bleicher in German hockey news as to where he's going to end up, but as a National Team regular I'm sure lots of pro clubs will be interested even on a development contract.

This has got to be the biggest area in need of improvement from management - imports ought to be upgrades and the good teams make use of those slots. The team has had one (!!) import in the last five seasons play multiple years in Owen Sound in Petrovsky.

And looking at the last decade it's pretty bleak:
- Bleicher and Varosyan both lasted a season, both looked like OHLers to me but fell out of favour.
- Matejicek turned into a decent OHLer but it wasn't in Owen Sound;
- Schweingruber lasted until Christmas and was a non-factor;
- Petrovsky a pretty close to a star level player and NHL draft pick, even if he stagnated, he was excellent value;
- Machacek arguably overperformed given his first season but still was decent, not great (also drafted that season was Julian Straub, from Bleicher's EV Fuessen, who reported but didn't make the team);
- Manuel Alberg lasted a season and was a non-factor;
- Vasili Filyayev, and someone can correct me if I'm wrong, actually showed up to camp but was nowhere near good enough;
- Maxim Sushko was terrific, turned into an NHL prospect and was great all three seasons in Owen Sound;
- 2015 no selection was made as the team had two star imports in Sharipzyanov and Palmu (and were part of the last era where this team was anything like a real contender).

So a lot of room for improvement!

I'm curious how they choose to use those picks. It's a crowded roster as it stands. Do you try and get two players with picks 1 and 2 and maybe take a swing for the fences pick at 3 or a guy who may come next year? Anybody they pick is going to have to be an immediate player to jump in this year as they are pushing somebody else off the roster essentially. With how volatile the import draft can be, I find it tough to draft and slot in three new imports all at once. I think optimistically, if they can find two players out of the three picks, that's a win. Import Draft is coming up pretty quickly so we won't have to wait too long to find out.

Maybe I'm on the -too skeptical- side of the team's import strategy (basically throw darts at the board and bet on talent), but have a hard time seeing there being enough good players available to integrate three foreign kids all at once. Doesn't seem like the team has the resources to fully support these kids (given they struggled, and got lucky, to find Varosyan a Russian speaking billet, as just one example).

If I'm the team, definitely try and make the best two picks you can, and then shoot for the stars on a high end kid that isn't coming in the hopes that maybe an NHL team sends them down the line with the new era CHL. Maybe target two kids from the same country so that they aren't linguistically isolated.

As we've been speculating since Sykora was picked at the draft, his USHL team has two high end import eligible 2008 birthdays that would absolutely play on this roster. If they can get Murnieks and he reports, that would be a dream scenario I think and anything else, even just a roster player from pick 2, would be gravy.
 
Still haven't seen a report on Bleicher in German hockey news as to where he's going to end up, but as a National Team regular I'm sure lots of pro clubs will be interested even on a development contract.

This has got to be the biggest area in need of improvement from management - imports ought to be upgrades and the good teams make use of those slots. The team has had one (!!) import in the last five seasons play multiple years in Owen Sound in Petrovsky.

And looking at the last decade it's pretty bleak:
- Bleicher and Varosyan both lasted a season, both looked like OHLers to me but fell out of favour.
- Matejicek turned into a decent OHLer but it wasn't in Owen Sound;
- Schweingruber lasted until Christmas and was a non-factor;
- Petrovsky a pretty close to a star level player and NHL draft pick, even if he stagnated, he was excellent value;
- Machacek arguably overperformed given his first season but still was decent, not great (also drafted that season was Julian Straub, from Bleicher's EV Fuessen, who reported but didn't make the team);
- Manuel Alberg lasted a season and was a non-factor;
- Vasili Filyayev, and someone can correct me if I'm wrong, actually showed up to camp but was nowhere near good enough;
- Maxim Sushko was terrific, turned into an NHL prospect and was great all three seasons in Owen Sound;
- 2015 no selection was made as the team had two star imports in Sharipzyanov and Palmu (and were part of the last era where this team was anything like a real contender).

So a lot of room for improvement!



Maybe I'm on the -too skeptical- side of the team's import strategy (basically throw darts at the board and bet on talent), but have a hard time seeing there being enough good players available to integrate three foreign kids all at once. Doesn't seem like the team has the resources to fully support these kids (given they struggled, and got lucky, to find Varosyan a Russian speaking billet, as just one example).

If I'm the team, definitely try and make the best two picks you can, and then shoot for the stars on a high end kid that isn't coming in the hopes that maybe an NHL team sends them down the line with the new era CHL. Maybe target two kids from the same country so that they aren't linguistically isolated.

As we've been speculating since Sykora was picked at the draft, his USHL team has two high end import eligible 2008 birthdays that would absolutely play on this roster. If they can get Murnieks and he reports, that would be a dream scenario I think and anything else, even just a roster player from pick 2, would be gravy.
There's just no realistic chance you can get three players this year out of the import draft. I think you absolutely have to get a guy at pick #14 that can be a difference maker. Murnieks would be fantastic as I think he fits positionally as well as adding a higher end forward skill set that we need. A guy like that who is going into their draft year maybe a good target as the North American style of play can be a good showcase to prospective NHL teams. Murnieks playing in the USHL this past year would be a guy you'd expect to jump in right away without much of an adjustment.

Both forward and defense are pretty thick with bodies available going into camp as it stands now. Getting one of the other two picks to crack the roster this year would be tough. You'd pretty well have to work out some sort of a deal with an NHL club to bring in a guy they want to develop in North America. That may not be easy to do. I think the Attack coaching staff can become a selling point in those conversations eventually but tough to do with so small of a track record at this point. Drafting a guy with the hopes of bringing them over next year may be the way to go and give Wray and company behind the bench another season to show they have a good development option for NHL prospects.
 
I'm curious how they choose to use those picks. It's a crowded roster as it stands. Do you try and get two players with picks 1 and 2 and maybe take a swing for the fences pick at 3 or a guy who may come next year? Anybody they pick is going to have to be an immediate player to jump in this year as they are pushing somebody else off the roster essentially. With how volatile the import draft can be, I find it tough to draft and slot in three new imports all at once. I think optimistically, if they can find two players out of the three picks, that's a win. Import Draft is coming up pretty quickly so we won't have to wait too long to find out.
I'd wonder, given the previous results, and the ahem cough, cough, co$t to bring in say a couple 1st or 2nd rd NHL import players if the Attack ever commits to 3 imports .
I'd bet there's teams that leave that 3rd spot open, and use it to trade( poach) a 3rd import player when stacking for a playoff run .
 
Still haven't seen a report on Bleicher in German hockey news as to where he's going to end up, but as a National Team regular I'm sure lots of pro clubs will be interested even on a development contract.

This has got to be the biggest area in need of improvement from management - imports ought to be upgrades and the good teams make use of those slots. The team has had one (!!) import in the last five seasons play multiple years in Owen Sound in Petrovsky.

And looking at the last decade it's pretty bleak:
- Bleicher and Varosyan both lasted a season, both looked like OHLers to me but fell out of favour.
- Matejicek turned into a decent OHLer but it wasn't in Owen Sound;
- Schweingruber lasted until Christmas and was a non-factor;
- Petrovsky a pretty close to a star level player and NHL draft pick, even if he stagnated, he was excellent value;
- Machacek arguably overperformed given his first season but still was decent, not great (also drafted that season was Julian Straub, from Bleicher's EV Fuessen, who reported but didn't make the team);
- Manuel Alberg lasted a season and was a non-factor;
- Vasili Filyayev, and someone can correct me if I'm wrong, actually showed up to camp but was nowhere near good enough;
- Maxim Sushko was terrific, turned into an NHL prospect and was great all three seasons in Owen Sound;
- 2015 no selection was made as the team had two star imports in Sharipzyanov and Palmu (and were part of the last era where this team was anything like a real contender).

So a lot of room for improvement!



Maybe I'm on the -too skeptical- side of the team's import strategy (basically throw darts at the board and bet on talent), but have a hard time seeing there being enough good players available to integrate three foreign kids all at once. Doesn't seem like the team has the resources to fully support these kids (given they struggled, and got lucky, to find Varosyan a Russian speaking billet, as just one example).

If I'm the team, definitely try and make the best two picks you can, and then shoot for the stars on a high end kid that isn't coming in the hopes that maybe an NHL team sends them down the line with the new era CHL. Maybe target two kids from the same country so that they aren't linguistically isolated.

As we've been speculating since Sykora was picked at the draft, his USHL team has two high end import eligible 2008 birthdays that would absolutely play on this roster. If they can get Murnieks and he reports, that would be a dream scenario I think and anything else, even just a roster player from pick 2, would be gravy.
My take on the 3rd import- most teams run with 2 and those that can afford to, will obtain the best available to add to their wealth when they stack for a playoff run .
You know which teams they will be .
 
I'd wonder, given the previous results, and the ahem cough, cough, co$t to bring in say a couple 1st or 2nd rd NHL import players if the Attack ever commits to 3 imports .
I'd bet there's teams that leave that 3rd spot open, and use it to trade( poach) a 3rd import player when stacking for a playoff run .
If the cost is a barrier to getting the NHL picked caliber players, do you target upside in pre-draft players then? This year would mean picking 08 born or late birthday 07 born kids. Certainly more risk in picking that way as there's often not a ton to go off of on those kids.

I hope, if they were to ever pony up, it would be this year at pick #14 as who knows when you're going to pick that high again. That really needs to turn into a legit player.

I think there was talk about changes to the education packages that would hypothetically save teams money. Maybe that gets invested into the import players? Really puts a lot of pressure on the traditional draft if they can't get value in the import picks.
 
First transaction of what could be many this offseason...


I already like this move, believe the player in question was apart of a rebuilding team from the central division… if you can put two and two together. I don’t wanna announce who in particular because he may not even know he’s on the move yet and that wouldn’t sit right with me… but this guy is exactly what we need… another right winger who has ties to current Attack players and a certain member of the coaching staff.. 👀
 
I already like this move, believe the player in question was apart of a rebuilding team from the central division… if you can put two and two together. I don’t wanna announce who in particular because he may not even know he’s on the move yet and that wouldn’t sit right with me… but this guy is exactly what we need… another right winger who has ties to current Attack players and a certain member of the coaching staff.. 👀
B-I-N-G-O
 
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I already like this move, believe the player in question was apart of a rebuilding team from the central division… if you can put two and two together. I don’t wanna announce who in particular because he may not even know he’s on the move yet and that wouldn’t sit right with me… but this guy is exactly what we need… another right winger who has ties to current Attack players and a certain member of the coaching staff.. 👀
It's an intriguing player. High compete but has had discipline issues in the past. If he can reign it in a bit he should be a boost to the 2nd or 3rd line. Hopefully he's available as an OA too. RW is objectively the thinnest part of the forward mix I think so certainly shores that up.
 
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Think it would be unfair to the player and his family if we named him but good things come to those who wait! Should be announced soon bearing any bumps in the road
Pretty sure you'd get in trouble from the mods for posting it anyways unless you're a vetted insider. Best to wait until the official announcement.
 
It's an intriguing player. High compete but has had discipline issues in the past. If he can reign it in a bit he should be a boost to the 2nd or 3rd line. Hopefully he's available as an OA too. RW is objectively the thinnest part of the forward mix I think so certainly shores that up.
I think there’s some untapped offensive potential there with the player in question. I think he’ll fit in great into the top 6/top 9 as well!
 
Pretty sure you'd get in trouble from the mods for posting it anyways unless you're a vetted insider. Best to wait until the official announcement.
Oh I am by no means a ‘vetted’ insider so yea I’m gonna hold out.

There’s also rumours that Peterborough wants one of our OA’s… but I think the Attack are unwilling to part with him unless the package coming back is substantial.
 
I think there’s some untapped offensive potential there with the player in question. I think he’ll fit in great into the top 6/top 9 as well!
Finished towards the top of the team's scoring stats but tied for a team worst plus/minus rating which is a little concerning. Lots of PP points as well which sort of skews his offensive numbers. I still think it's a good fit but certainly some underlying issues there that they can hopefully work on.
 
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Oh I am by no means a ‘vetted’ insider so yea I’m gonna hold out.

There’s also rumours that Peterborough wants one of our OA’s… but I think the Attack are unwilling to part with him unless the package coming back is substantial.
That is an intriguing situation. Not a player I'd be keen on moving but for the right offer... Depends on how they feel about the younger guys behind him and it would open up playing time for a player who may be here in 26/27 when the team projects to be a contender.
 
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