Dmen I love when they play high percentage safe games... quite the contrary to a Centreman.
The D job is to be able to read and react.
This stoicism is effective for D, less so for fwds, and even lesser for C
Prospect Info: Owen Beck
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The D job is to be able to read and react.
This stoicism is effective for D, less so for fwds, and even lesser for C
Then again we building a team and that defensive center is something we lack and need to take another step.
Then again , he might be a top trading chips .
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He's had a solid first pro season with some ups and downs as expected for a young centre.
He shouldn't be written off as our future #3 C at this point, but I'd say right now Kapanen is above him and more time in Laval with a bigger role next year would be best for Beck.
He shouldn't be written off as our future #3 C at this point, but I'd say right now Kapanen is above him and more time in Laval with a bigger role next year would be best for Beck.
Could be... does anyone in here remember how Bergeron, Danault etc... played in their early career (i never watched them early on).
bergeron i dont remember, but danault not any different, thus a big reason he was available for a trade
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If you're talking about Patrice Bergeron, he was one of the smartest 18 year olds I have seen.
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Absolutely. High hockey IQ seemingly from birth
Owen Beck has to move the Narrative from second best option to best option. He made Team Canada as a replacement for injury and graduated to the Habs only because Roy wasn't available. I like the game he brings and he has far more jam than most of our Kids. Unfortunately he will always be a second option unless he can bring more offense to the table. The one thing he doesn't do well is handle the puck and slow down the game for his line mates. He does play an excellent fast game and moves the puck well too but that doesn't bring enough deception. I'm very disappointed in the back half of his season even if he is one of the few players showing up against Charlotte. I'm starting to doubt his O IQ as he isn't very instinctive in and around the pay zones despite being able to get there.
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I feel that’s more a question of adjusting to
Pace. When he plays in the AHL or juniors he’s very engaged and physical. I feel another year in Laval would get him up to speed to play in the show
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He's had an up/down season, but 44 points in 65 games is very good for an AHL rookie. He's still waiver eligible for another two years and he's learned three good lessons: how hard it is in the NHL, how hard it is to be sent down and how hard pro playoffs are. If he's smart and has good work ethic, he'll carry those lessons in the summer and should have a good camp. I do think he needs another year in the AHL though.
The other thing I'd add is that he doesn't look 6'. He looks 5'11", which was his combine height (5'11.25").
That said, Cirelli was 5'11.5" too, so his 6'1" is probably also BS.
The other thing I'd add is that he doesn't look 6'. He looks 5'11", which was his combine height (5'11.25").
That said, Cirelli was 5'11.5" too, so his 6'1" is probably also BS.
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Bergeron was already a full time player at age 18 on a good Boston roster. He's one of the rare ones who made a seamless jump to the big leagues right away.
I don't remember danault too much from Chicago, but I do remember that he started his habs career on the 4th line with Torrey Mitchell, and they were absolutely crushing it. It was apparent early on that danault was much more than a 4th liner and that he would very soon occupy a much bigger role.
He can't play as a F1 and be doing the forechecking. He is a good skater but too small physically for the dirty work. He should be a center, he is quick in transition with the puck, weak on the boards. The f***ing Evans contract blocks him so they try him as a winger but it's a bad fit.
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I was told by posters last summer that Beck was jacked, despite me trying to tell them he wasn't ready for the NHL. But Evans doesn't have a NTC or NMC so he's not really blocking him as his contract should be easily moveable by the time Beck is ready for full time duty. We should wait and see what moves Hughes does though first, since as of now we don't know what centers we will have after Suzuki. I am not a big Newhook fan so I don't think he's an answer and Dach I'm not sold on as a center either but both can be fine as a stop gap if that's the way that Hughes wants to go.
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Why you don't write Danault starting with a capital letter and all the other players you mention you write them properly starting with a capital letter?
What's your take on Beck's progress?
I havent seen any AHL games, but his two short stints in the nhl (last year and this year) looked the same to me. I saw a player who didn't really have an impact on the flow of the game. It's like he wasn't even there. Sure, he didn't put his team in a bad spot, and wasn't generally out of position, but he had 0 impact on the play. It kind of looked like he was watching the game most of the time.
At least in his nhl stints, and even training camp, I am not seeing much offensive skill/ability to be a part of the play. He's kind of just there, quietly in position.
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The Evans contract doesn't block anything, him and Suzuki are currently our only two NHL caliber centres signed for next year.
Should guys like Kapanen, Beck, Hage and Xhekaj show they can be better NHL centers than Evans in the future, Evans can be moved to the wing.
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Anyone that has seen my posts over the years here on how the Habs handle their call ups should know that I was against the call ups, they must leave these kids alone and let them cook. He did not look the same once he was sent down, and that story has repeated it's self so many times for the Habs it makes my head spin as to why the refuse to do things differently.
I never really bought into Beck's offensive upside, I was told about how great his shot is but I kept saying that his release is there but it's not accurate and if you can't pick the corners then it doesn't matter how good your shot is imo. I am not a big fan of his playmaking and have comped him a bit to Dvorak in terms of a shooting bottom 6 center. I still think he will have no problem reaching that in time but for now he just needs to work on adding mass and strength, working on his offense. I think he will easily be a solid NHLer, just a question of how good will he be, which no one can really know at this point, but he has NHL skating, speed, to go with solid two way game, FO's, works hard, takes the body. Coaches will love him as he's the kind of player you win with but I do wonder if his confidence has taken a big hit after being called up.
Well said and yes...the call up messed with his confidence. Imagine thinking you might be ready only to be overwhelmed. He looked like he didn't belong, same with Kapanen.
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I've brought this up so many times, as to why so many posters just talk out their ass when they tell us they know what so and so prospect will turn into by looking at their stats. There are so many factors and variables involved with development, without knowing each prospect, it's impossible to know how anyone will handle failure, injuries, money, fame, nightlife, etc...
For many of these kids they were the best in their towns or local teams when they were very young, so for many they have been told how great they are but when they move up to the pro level and shit gets real, everyone will handle the ups and downs differently as some will blame everyone under the sun but themselves, others will struggle with confidence, some will handle it no problem, others will run into issues with off the ice being drinking, girls, drugs, etc... that there's just no way any fan can know what's going on behind the scenes.
That's why all I do is try and track their progress from the start of the year to the end and give my opinion on what I see. I keep an open mind, never use the word bust, I often speak of how important proper development and coaching are but I also keep an open mind and don't blame it all on just one thing.
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These call ups are critical to their development.
It is a myth that such experiences break players and cause them to bust. Confidence and resiliency are traits just like skating and shooting. Players who break under these circumstances were never going to make it anyways.
Hughes and Gorton know what they are doing and this has been a developmental success thus far. Contrary to what some seem to think, you don't develop players into NHLers who just don't have the mental fortitude to do it. It is difficult to accurately diagnose as juniors but this is why character and culture are valued so highly by the actual experts and stats are valued more by those who only know hockey from their couch.
I am not asserting that you are taking such a position but the conversation was an easy segue for me to rant on lol.
It is important for an organization to understand the balance between the use of their AHL and NHL clubs and to assign players accordingly in order to expedite development as poor management will certainly slow development and lead to a team undervaluing a player and/or prematurely giving up on them. Players for the most part are going to be what they are going to be from a skill standpoint but a team can either expedite or delay but not destroy their development (outside of extreme cases like we saw in Chicago). Teams will look to mold prospects habits as a professional and part of that is resiliency and accepting new challenges and the ability to keep working when they hit a rough spot. This is far more likely to succeed when they draft high character players who come with factory installed character, resilience and confidence....those who are drafted that are lacking in these areas are the greatest risks to bust, even more so than if they have skating/shooting/puck handling issues. So when fans bleet out the usual condemnations towards management for mishandling a prospect that they over valued this is exactly why the player usually busts and the fans are no more than sheep repeating truisms that they have formed through circular logic and without the understanding of what actually happened. It is no different than delusional parents blaming coaches for their kid getting benched or cut. These fans have an unhealthy attachment to a teenager that they have never even met and exhibit the tell tale signs of sycophants looking for the path of least resistance to the nearest scapegoat.
Keeping thriving prospects in the minors without giving them tastes of the NHL is plain dumb as the NHL is where they discover what they are lacking and the AHL is where they go to work on it. Some players have the IQ/ability to make the jump and immediately stick but that is the exception. I love how posters fixate on players who go back and forth and never make it but ignore all of the players that do have multiple stints in the AHL and enjoy long NHL careers. It is almost like their narrative is more important than the actual truth.
Beck has played 13 nhl games over 2 seasons. That's not very many, and if that creates confidence issues, I am concerned about the mental strength of the prospect.
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I don’t get why it would. This used to be the norm. Look at the 2000s Red Wings and how they let players stay in the AHL to develop then kept getting new, developed cogs for their machine.
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