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wetcoast said:
It's hard to understand what you are saying here, on one hand Backstrom is the albatross contract but then he is also part of the "pretty much top 6 players" missing as well?

Other teams got decimated by injuries covid and goalies losing their rhythm that's probably why scoring is up but no one can prove it it's all guesswork, then all those guys come back and Ovechkin is -15 on the team but somehow the whole team is playing like garbage?

No the inconsistencies here are truly amazing and yet it's everyday stuff to say Ovi is great and if the Caps don't do well it's always other players fault.

80% offensive zone starts and still -15 over that stretch (well it got a bit better after yesterdays game sure).

I also like how you are going to pretend....as that's the issue that I have been railing against here, Ovi will get the goal scoring record by let's all pretend that the Capitals not being a SC contender is because of other reasons...gotchya, enjoy those 5 years.

but I do get it, it really has become all about goal scoring and never mind the rest of what makes up a hockey game and a hockey team.
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Is Backstrom not a top 6 player for the Capitals? Does he not have a massive contract comparable to Ovechkin's? Did he not miss a lot of time in the first half of the season? Has he not been bad since he's been back? What's not to get here? You're asserting Ovechkin and his contract are a big issue for the Capitals yet he has put up a top 10 Hart finalist season, maybe higher, but Backstrom's contract is the same and he's stunk since he signed it and honestly didn't deserve it at all.

Again, what's hard to understand about a 36 year old getting tired after playing the first half of the year with playoff type effort while carrying his team offensively? I don't get how you don't get that and it isn't like he was the only guy not playing amazing during the Caps downturn, the entire team was awful for that stretch, how is that on Ovechkin all of a sudden?

If we're pretending, it's delusional to think that giving Ovechkin that contract is why the Capitals will not contend moving forward when again, Backstrom's contract is much worse and he may be done entirely as a top 6 player as of right now instead of a couple years into his contract. That, or the fact Brian McClellan has done nothing to address the glaring issue with the team in net for over 3 years running. But sure, let's do the pretend thing and shoulder it on Ovechkin and his 50 goal, 90 point season. My god....

What constitutes hockey is winning and that's what Ovechkin has effected for the Capitals this year; they are in the playoffs because of him and his play this year, full stop. He doesn't have the first half of the year he did and they're on the outside looking in. You take him off of this roster and they are not a playoff team.

You have no grounds here with what you're talking about, I'm sorry.
 
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I guess you missed all those posts about Ovie's 40 assists this season.
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Hockey Outsider said:
Longest gap between 90 point seasons

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]Player[/TD]
[TD]Season[/TD]
[TD]Gap[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Gordie Howe[/TD]

[TD]
1969​
[/TD]

[TD]
15​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Alexander Ovechkin[/TD]

[TD]
2022​
[/TD]

[TD]
11​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Steve Larmer[/TD]

[TD]
1990​
[/TD]

[TD]
6​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Bobby Smith[/TD]

[TD]
1988​
[/TD]

[TD]
5​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Claude Giroux[/TD]

[TD]
2018​
[/TD]

[TD]
5​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Dino Ciccarelli[/TD]

[TD]
1993​
[/TD]

[TD]
5​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Evgeni Malkin[/TD]

[TD]
2018​
[/TD]

[TD]
5​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Lanny McDonald[/TD]

[TD]
1983​
[/TD]

[TD]
5​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mark Recchi[/TD]

[TD]
2000​
[/TD]

[TD]
5​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Teemu Selanne[/TD]

[TD]
2006​
[/TD]

[TD]
5​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

This was a difficult report to generate, but I think this captures every player with a gap of at least 5 years between 90 point seasons. Let me know if anything looks incorrect.

Longest gap between 40 assist seasons

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]Player[/TD]
[TD]Season[/TD]
[TD]Gap[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Alexander Ovechkin[/TD]

[TD]
​
2022​
[/TD]

[TD]
10​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mathieu Schneider[/TD]
[TD]2007[/TD]

[TD]
9​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Alex Delvecchio[/TD]
[TD]1962[/TD]

[TD]
8​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ray Ferraro[/TD]
[TD]2001[/TD]

[TD]
8​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Drew Doughty[/TD]
[TD]2018[/TD]

[TD]
7​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Doug Crossman[/TD]
[TD]1990[/TD]

[TD]
6​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Elmer Lach[/TD]
[TD]1952[/TD]

[TD]
6​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]John Bucyk[/TD]
[TD]1969[/TD]

[TD]
6​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Michael Nylander[/TD]
[TD]2002[/TD]

[TD]
6​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Owen Nolan[/TD]
[TD]2000[/TD]

[TD]
6​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Rob Blake[/TD]
[TD]2001[/TD]

[TD]
6​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Rod Brind'Amour[/TD]
[TD]2007[/TD]

[TD]
6​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sergei Fedorov[/TD]
[TD]2003[/TD]

[TD]
6​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Steven Stamkos[/TD]
[TD]2018[/TD]

[TD]
6​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ted Lindsay[/TD]
[TD]1957[/TD]

[TD]
6​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Same comment - I think this is accurate but let me know if you see any errors.
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No I saw it and it's great that he doubled his totals from the last 2 seasons.
 
The Capitals would be a very weak team without Ovechkin. Unless they're replacing him with Prime Jere Lehtenen their team defense isn't going to improve that much with a generic, easily available Top 6 FA Winger for a reasonable contract, as those guys tend to be very meh. Their goaltending is still quite bad independent of Ovechkin. Their 25th % percentile GF stat would almost certainly nosedive if they lost their most productive player in terms of EV Goals, EV Points, PP Goals and PP Points. Would their possession stats improve with a more possession oriented player? Barely at best. Yet take out those 50 goals, where are they coming from? Their next highest Goal Scorers are two guys at 24 each. You're very naive if you think allocating more offensive zone stars to lesser offensive weapons is a better tactical strategy to somehow try and manufacture more goals by committtee. It's just not happening. The Capitals go from a comfortable Playoff team 12th/32nd in the League to one of the dregs of the league.
 
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What I think wetcoast fails to understand is that yea the capitals are maximizing ovechkin’s goal scoring opportunities, this isn’t coming at the expense of winning but coincides with the best approach to trying to win. When you have the best goal scorer ever who is still capable of scoring at a high rate, you want that player in the best possible position to score goals. This is so common sense that I can’t believe I even need to say it. I think someone is just grumpy that a player they don’t like is a now more likely than not to break a cherished record and has resorted to a bargaining stage of “yeah but at WHAT cost?” pure “concern trolling”
 
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WarriorofTime said:
What I think wetcoast fails to understand is that yea the capitals are maximizing ovechkin’s goal scoring opportunities, this isn’t coming at the expense of winning but coincides with the best approach to trying to win. When you have the best goal scorer ever who is still capable of scoring at a high rate, you want that player in the best possible position to score goals. This is so common sense that I can’t believe I even need to say it. I think someone is just grumpy that a player they don’t like is a now more likely than not to break a cherished record and has resorted to a bargaining stage of “yeah but at WHAT cost?” pure “concern trolling”
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If I read only his posts and never watched Caps games, I'd think they were trotting out a 50 year old Jagr and force-feeding him pucks at the expense of making the playoffs while causing a revolt in the locker room.
 
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WarriorofTime said:
What I think wetcoast fails to understand is that yea the capitals are maximizing ovechkin’s goal scoring opportunities, this isn’t coming at the expense of winning but coincides with the best approach to trying to win. When you have the best goal scorer ever who is still capable of scoring at a high rate, you want that player in the best possible position to score goals. This is so common sense that I can’t believe I even need to say it. I think someone is just grumpy that a player they don’t like is a now more likely than not to break a cherished record and has resorted to a bargaining stage of “yeah but at WHAT cost?” pure “concern trolling”
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What I think most don't understand is he enjoys winding people up with absurdity.
 
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How good is Ovechkin? It’s unbelievable. Two tonight and he could’ve had another two. He looks like he’s 25-years-old out there. He’s so dangerous and as soon as they got behind by one he started really looking for those openings behind us, and he found it a couple times. They’re a tough team to defend, obviously because of him.
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What would DeBoer know though? He's only been coaching against him for over a decade.
 
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