Ovechkin Milestone Thread - Countdown to 894 (Continued)

[kugelbahn]

Random, but one of my favorite Ovie games, which gets no love in his highlights, was a January 2010 (I think) tilt in Toronto. He scored 1 goal, in the first minute--and Gord and Pierre lost their minds--but he had four assists (5 points) and made an amazing defensive play. Caps won 6-1. Anyone else remember that game? Side note: I miss NHL Vault so much.

I do not, but found this:

Toronto Maple Leafs - Washington Capitals - Jan 15, 2010 | NHL.com

NHL Gamecenter - Toronto Maple Leafs vs. Washington Capitals, Jan 15, 2010 - summary, stats, boxscore, play by play, recap and more.

www.nhl.com

Indeed 1 G and 4 A1. I wonder if anybody scored 5 primary points in last 20 years, only @pnep could answer that

PS Correction, I mean not just goals, plenty of no-names scored 5-tricks

Marian Gaborik

Johan Franzen

Patrik Laine

Mika Zibanejad

Timo Meier

Tage Thompson

 

[Calicaps]

My favorite was the Habs game where they broke his nose and he want ham on them.

agreed, but that game is part of Ovie's legend. the one I'm talking about was utter domination but is totally forgotten.

EDIT: thanks @kugelbahn for the evidence!

 

[DitchMarner]

Random, but one of my favorite Ovie games, which gets no love in his highlights, was a January 2010 (I think) tilt in Toronto. He scored 1 goal, in the first minute--and Gord and Pierre lost their minds--but he had four assists and made an amazing defensive play. Caps won 6-1. Anyone else remember that game? Side note: I miss NHL Vault so much.

I remember it. It felt like he scored early in every game against TOR that season... lol.

I think he opened the scoring in all four meetings between the Leafs and Caps that season. That might be some kind of a record.

 

[Toby91ca]

Yeah, not too many goals scorers, here is a full list of Caps 30 goals scorers in 20 years, all 5 of them. Only Sema had multiple, and only Osh after 2010...
View attachment 975216

What is this meant to show? How does this compare to all other teams? Looks like WSH has had 6 different players score at least 30 goals in a season over past 20 years. PIT for example, since that seemed to be the comparison in terms of desired GM, has also had 6.

 

[Randyne]

I do not, but found this:

Toronto Maple Leafs - Washington Capitals - Jan 15, 2010 | NHL.com

NHL Gamecenter - Toronto Maple Leafs vs. Washington Capitals, Jan 15, 2010 - summary, stats, boxscore, play by play, recap and more.

www.nhl.com

Indeed 1 G and 4 A1. I wonder if anybody scored 5 primary points in last 20 years

63 players scored 5+ primary points since 2005/06
Here who has done this 3+ times:

 

[Calicaps]

Wow Mark Stone with the 5 A1s. Didn't expect that.

 

[Golden_Jet]

What is this meant to show? How does this compare to all other teams? Looks like WSH has had 6 different players score at least 30 goals in a season over past 20 years. PIT for example, since that seemed to be the comparison in terms of desired GM, has also had 6.

Over last 20 years Senators have 8, no idea what the highest or lowest would be.

 

[Toby91ca]

Over last 20 years Senators have 8, no idea what the highest or lowest would be.

That's surprising actually....never would have thought they'd have that many

 

[kugelbahn]

What is this meant to show? How does this compare to all other teams? Looks like WSH has had 6 different players score at least 30 goals in a season over past 20 years. PIT for example, since that seemed to be the comparison in terms of desired GM, has also had 6.

stressing "since 2010" when his assists dried out, read the thread

 

[BallardEra]

Random, but one of my favorite Ovie games, which gets no love in his highlights, was a January 2010 (I think) tilt in Toronto. He scored 1 goal, in the first minute--and Gord and Pierre lost their minds--but he had four primary assists (5 points total) and made an amazing defensive play. Caps won 6-1. Anyone else remember that game? Side note: I miss NHL Vault so much.

Some old goals versus the Leafs here. Balfour’s look over to Ovechkin after that shot is one of amazement. That career goal #300 on Reimer was insane too:

 

[kugelbahn]

63 players scored 5+ primary points since 2005/06
Here who has done this 3+ times:
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Thanks, honestly did not expect that many

 

[Calicaps]

Some old goals versus the Leafs here. Balfour’s look over to Ovechkin after that shot is one of amazement. That career goal #300 on Reimer was insane too:

that's a fun watch.

 

[ovikovy817]

63 players scored 5+ primary points since 2005/06
Here who has done this 3+ times:
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Wow, I would expect another name on that list but he's not there.

 

[kugelbahn]

Wow, I would expect another name on that list but he's not there.

Yeah, me too. Too many secondaries poisoned the well

 

[Lou Sassole]

Yeah, not too many goals scorers, here is a full list of Caps 30 goals scorers in 20 years, all 5 of them. Only Sema had multiple, and only Osh after 2010...
View attachment 975216

And Ovechkin absolutely made Clark a 30 goal guy. It was pretty crazy how bereft of other talent those early teams were.

 

[Toby91ca]

Some old goals versus the Leafs here. Balfour’s look over to Ovechkin after that shot is one of amazement. That career goal #300 on Reimer was insane too:

Are you talking about the 1st goal in the video? I guess the look over at OV doesn't really come through in the video.....I don't remember the game (I probably would have seen a lot of Leafs vs. Capitals games back then though).

 

[Hockey Outsider]

Wow Mark Stone with the 5 A1s. Didn't expect that.

It's only happened 29 times in all of NHL history. I never would have guessed Stone would be on that list. (The only forwards who did that more than once? Gretzky, Lemieux - and Doug Gilmour).

 

[BallardEra]

Are you talking about the 1st goal in the video? I guess the look over at OV doesn't really come through in the video.....I don't remember the game (I probably would have seen a lot of Leafs vs. Capitals games back then though).

Yes. I've seen it in another video as well. Balfour looks at him in amazement as he didn't expect to see that kind of shot/release.

 

[Hammman]

Over last 20 years Senators have 8, no idea what the highest or lowest would be.

12 for Vancouver by my count.

 

[Toby91ca]

12 for Vancouver by my count.

Shocked me a bit, but when going through, oh yeah that guy, oh yeah that guy…but then I saw Kuzmenko with 39 goals…I have no recollection of that guy and it was only 2 years ago…first year in NHL, done nothing since. Of those 12, 2 have done it 3 times, another one 2 times and then the other 9 were once each.

Leading goal scorer on the team only had 20 goals in 2017.

 

[Mulletman]

What is this meant to show? How does this compare to all other teams? Looks like WSH has had 6 different players score at least 30 goals in a season over past 20 years. PIT for example, since that seemed to be the comparison in terms of desired GM, has also had 6.

Ovechkin in his first 5 years had the benefit of playing with better players than Crosby. The Capitals had 11 30 goal seasons, 5 of them being Ovechkin, Since the start of 2010-11 season the Caps have had 14 30 goal seasons and 13 of them have been by Ovechkin. Only Oshie was able to score over 30 goals in the last 15 years on the Caps.

Pittsburgh for example had 7 30 goal seasons in the first 5 years, 4 by Crosby. Since 2010-11 Pittsburgh had had 17 30 goal seasons. Of those 8 have been by Crosby.

Ovechkin had at least 46 assists every season the first 5 years, since then Ovechkin only had 40 assists 2 times in 15 years, one of which was 2010-11 when Semin was still on the team and had 28 goals in 65 games.

Ovechkin has simply had a terrible built team the last 15 years and it's a miracle that he was able to win a cup with the jobbers he's been playing with during this time. This year the caps team is clearly overperforming as nobody expected them to be this good, but despite that they might only have 1 other guy than Ovechkin hit 30 goals.

 

[Calderon]

Wow, I would expect another name on that list but he's not there.

Malkin but not Crosby, Toews but not Kane. Peculiar.

 

[Khrox]

12 for Vancouver by my count.

10 players for the Flames, 16 times though.

Iginla (x2), Gaudreau (x3), Lindholm (x1), Tkachuk (x2), Monahan (x3), Hudler (x1), Mangiapane (x1), Toffoli (x1), Coleman (x1), Sharangovich (x1)

 

[Toby91ca]

Ovechkin in his first 5 years had the benefit of playing with better players than Crosby. The Capitals had 11 30 goal seasons, 5 of them being Ovechkin, Since the start of 2010-11 season the Caps have had 14 30 goal seasons and 13 of them have been by Ovechkin. Only Oshie was able to score over 30 goals in the last 15 years on the Caps.

Pittsburgh for example had 7 30 goal seasons in the first 5 years, 4 by Crosby. Since 2010-11 Pittsburgh had had 17 30 goal seasons. Of those 8 have been by Crosby.

Ovechkin had at least 46 assists every season the first 5 years, since then Ovechkin only had 40 assists 2 times in 15 years, one of which was 2010-11 when Semin was still on the team and had 28 goals in 65 games.

Ovechkin has simply had a terrible built team the last 15 years and it's a miracle that he was able to win a cup with the jobbers he's been playing with during this time. This year the caps team is clearly overperforming as nobody expected them to be this good, but despite that they might only have 1 other guy than Ovechkin hit 30 goals.

The reality is that there simply isn’t a ton of guys that score 30 goals. Most of those years there are like 20-30 league-wide, so less than 1 guy per team on average. I think one year there was only 15. I didn’t go through every team last year, but the highest scoring team in the league last year had 2 and the 2nd highest scoring team also had 2. I don’t mean the teams that had the most 30 goal scorers but the teams that scored the most goals.

There are always two ways to look at things as well. Some could say, with no one else scoring any goals on the team it’s allowed OV to be the guy that everyone on the team defers to. If they had 3 other guys scoring 40 goals, does he still score as much? Flip side is if he’s the only guy that can score, he’s the guy other teams will simply key on to shutdown because they aren’t worried about anyone else. I think the real answer though is simply that they aren’t abnormal in terms of goal scorers, as said, there just isn’t a lot of 30 goal scorers on any team any given year…if you have more than 1 you are definitely way above the average

 

[TheSmokingMan]

Looked at Matthews goals scoring, he slowed down a bit this season scoring 20 in 40.

Auston recently played his 600s game, age 19-27, scored nice 388 goals.

For comparison OV in his first 600 games, age 20-27, scored 371 goals.
In his next 600 games OV added 363 more goals, we will see how Auston ages.
Note that in both OV 600 games periods scoring levels were lower than they are now.

For more comparison McDavid is closing on 700 games, 694 to be exact, scored 357 goals.

As it stands now, Matthews is the only active player that even has a remote chance of catching Ovechkin. In order to do it, he will have to match Ovie's superhuman durability and also maintain his scoring prowess well into his late 30's. That's a tall order and Auston's recent injuries have me a little concerned for his longevity.

One other thing that anyone chasing after Ovechkin has to do is be able to reinvent themselves in the second half of their career. I don't think Ovie receives enough credit for changing his game as his speed and agility declined and the league became more defensive. It's unheard of to still be this productive at his age. If he hadn't broken his leg, he would probably be challenging Draisaitl for the Rocket (and he may still).