Ovechkin 2007/2008 or McDavid 2022/2023?

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Ovechkin in the 2007/2008 season or McDavid in the 2022/2023 season? Who do you think is the best and why?

That season, Ovechkin scored 112 (65+47) points in 82 regular season matches, finishing the season with a utility score of +28, winning many individual awards.

McDavid has already scored 92 (41 + 51) points in 50 matches.
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Hard to say, I think those 2 seasons (so far for McDavid anyway) are the best seasons since the 2004-2005 lockout. If McDavid gets 150+ I have to go with him, but it's close. What Ovi did that year was otherworldly.
 
We may be witnessing one of the best individual seasons since Mario and Wayne. 65 goals is hella-impressive but the answer is McDavid.

That said, that does not take ANYTHING whatsoever away from Ovechkin. McDavid still has a ways to go in his career before being mentioned next to Sid and Ovie - career wise.
 
If McDavid brings home the richard trophy along with a 150 point season it's definitely him.
 
I’d be interested to see what Ovi’s season would adjust to in the current scoring environment, but McD might still have it. Tough call. Both seasons are/were absolutely absurd.

Edit: Ovi’s season adjusted to this year would be 74+53 for 127 points. McD pacing for 67+83 for 150 points. My brain tells me Ovi was the most dominant force we’ve had since Lemieux that year, but hard to argue with that point disparity.

Worth noting that 67% of Ovi’s point were at ES that season as compared to 48% for McD. So probably Ovi at ES, McD on the PP, and McD overall with the ridiculous PP numbers giving him the edge.
 
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Ovechkin in the 2007/2008 season or McDavid in the 2022/2023 season? Who do you think is the best and why?

That season, Ovechkin scored 112 (65+47) points in 82 regular season matches, finishing the season with a utility score of +28, winning many individual awards.

McDavid has already scored 92 (41 + 51) points in 50 matches.
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Assuming McDavid stays at this pace or close to it, then it's the best season since Lemieux
 
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I’d be interested to see what Ovi’s season would adjust to in the current scoring environment, but McD might still have it. Tough call. Both seasons are/were absolutely absurd.

Edit: Ovi’s season adjusted to this year would be 74+53 for 127 points. McD pacing for 67+83 for 150 points. My brain tells me Ovi was the most dominant force we’ve had since Lemieux that year, but hard to argue with that point disparity.

Worth noting that 67% of Ovi’s point were at ES that season as compared to 48% for McD. So probably Ovi at ES, McD on the PP, and McD overall with the ridiculous PP numbers giving him the edge.

Ovie has 50 game stretches on McDavid's current level. But yeah, not a full season.
 
This year scoring is its highest its been since 93/94, rising each year for the past 5 years (sans covid)

In 07/08 only 3 guys had 50+ goals, only 2 guys cracked 100 points.

Give me a choice of 25 year old Ovi or McDavid .. I take McDavid but I do think there is an era adjustment to be considered.

I get what you’re saying and it’s important to chew on different scoring eras and how many players achieved certain marks and so on, but there’s some stuff that era adjustment can’t explain away or fit into a tidy little box for comparison sake.

Adjusted stats simply can’t wave away what the leader did against their peers.

Ovechkin’s strength in this argument is that he potted 65 goals when only two other players crossed 50. He beat the runner up by 25%. That’s huge. On the other hand, while he was one of two 100 point scorers, he “only” won the Art Ross by 6 points. Crosby missed 29 games and a handful of other players who played in the 70-76 games range “paced” for 95-100. Dominance over his peers was strictly in the goal scoring realm.

But as a collective season where McDavid is on track for 65-85-150*?

The difference here is that he’s about to have a second season where he wins the Art Ross by 20-25 points over his teammate and 30+ over the closest non-teammate while completing the same sweep of hardware. Sure, there might be 10-12 scorers who pass 100 points, but McDavid is going to be beat most of them by 30, 40, and maybe even one by 50 points.

Adjusting for era hasn’t quite figured out how to downplay that part because they can’t do it when evaluating Gretzky and to a much lesser extent, they’re not able to do it with McDavid.

* assuming continued good health for the posters who need it spelled explicitly stated every time

Ovechkin’s 2007-2008 through 2009-2010 is a 3 year stretch that I’ve championed for a long time and will continue to admire when looking back. However, McDavid is putting the finishing touches on his masterpiece that should firmly vault him past any individual season and collectively, for longer.
 
Ovie has 50 game stretches on McDavid's current level. But yeah, not a full season.

Ovechkin 2009-10 first 52 games


1.69
1.34
1.30
1.25
1.25
1.23
1.21
1.19
1.16
1.14

26% better than 2nd, 35% better than 5th and 48% better than 10th

McDavid


1.84
1.58
1.50
1.46
1.42
1.39
1.35
1.31
1.29
1.29

16% better than 2nd, 30% better than 5th and 43% better than 10th
 
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This year scoring is its highest its been since 93/94, rising each year for the past 5 years (sans covid)

In 07/08 only 3 guys had 50+ goals, only 2 guys cracked 100 points.

Give me a choice of 25 year old Ovi or McDavid .. I take McDavid but I do think there is an era adjustment to be considered.
While this is true, there is some consideration that comparatively, at these scoring rates, 120 is the new 100. You might have only a few guys over 100 in those years, but you will likely only have a few guys over 120 this year. So from that standpoint 150+ is still quite far ahead of the competition. Though it does put more perspective on OV's 65 goals, since I don't think McDavid will hit that total in this higher scoring season.
 
McDavid is going to win these comparison threads every time. Not interesting anymore. Time to start comparing him to the either Gretz, Mario, or Howe. Everyone else isn’t a fair comparison.
 
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Ovechkin 2009-10 first 52 games


1.69
1.34
1.30
1.25
1.25
1.23
1.21
1.19
1.16
1.14

26% better than 2nd, 35% better than 5th and 48% better than 10th

McDavid


1.84
1.58
1.50
1.46
1.42
1.39
1.35
1.31
1.29
1.29

16% better than 2nd, 30% better than 5th and 43% better than 10th

Nice work on this one. When you go deeper into the pool of players though, like at #30 for instance, you’ll find the pendulum swings back to McDavid’s side. But for comparing a partial season that ended up concluding a certain way to a partial season that is a work in progress that should conclude brilliantly, health willing, it’s an interesting comparison.

2009-2010 Ovechkin before the break and without some suspensions sprinkled in that I really feel altered his style of play, might have been him at the peak of his powers. Such a shame because though we’re celebrating his chase of Gretzky’s record, he’s never been the same player since.

I suppose it’s also a great example of partial peak versus an entire season. When I think of Ovechkin at his best, it’s always the first 2/3rds of 2009-2010 before he was handicapped so to speak. It felt like the culmination of those two prior seasons.

He was painfully close to sweeping all four major individual trophies in that 3 year run. What could have been.

Hopefully we see McDavid nail these final 32 games, so it can strike away any mystery that remains about 2020-2021 and the rest of this season.
 

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