HF Habs: Out of Town Thread: 2024 Playoff Edition

[Skip Bayless]

Imagine going from Kakkalainen to Bergevin.

If I'm a BJs fan, I'd jump off a bridge.

 

[GrandBison]

At least they already got their 1C in Fantilli so MB won't have to say trades are hard.

Well, if you want to get a diamond in the rough like Darnell Nurse, you have to give!

 

[Apoplectic Habs Fan]

We will see if I watch Nucks, Coilers or not

Will be a tough sell if Stuart Shitter is starting. Dont know if i can put myself through another game of his

 

[LaP]

Well, if you want to get a diamond in the rough like Darnell Nurse, you have to give!

Fantali and 4th overall for Nurse? You heard it first here i guess

 

[Runner77]

I would add Thomas Harley to that list and while we are at it...this Dallas team drafted Jamie Benn in the 5th round in 2007. I live 20 minutes from the Texas Stars venue, the HEB Center and everything they do with the minor league team is first rate. The HEB Center looks like an NHL rink minus the upper bowl. They draft well but it can't be understated how well they develop their young players.

We do have good development now however, they can only develop to the extent of a player’s attributes. You first and foremost need those hawks and number crunchers to target the right players. Maybe Dallas’ model can be emulated.

 

[HuGort]

side point lol

Renowned journalist Dennis Bernstein, who covers the Los Angeles Kings, has just revealed that Bergevin is being seriously considered for the GM position with the Columbus Blue Jackets.

Habs probably be able to trade up in draft now. Give up Jets first.

 

[donghabs98]

I'm not surprised. Bergevin does have flaws but I do think he was better in the last 1/3 of his tenure than he was in the middle 1/3. Some of our best pieces comes from Bergevin (like it or not)... Suzuki, Caufield, Guhle, Roy.

The real question is has he learned from his mistakes.

Bergevin's tenue was definitely a rollercoaster. For me it's his trade deadlines and offseasons that stand out. He could have been more aggressive when we had competitive teams and had 2 offseasons that set the team back (2017 and 2021).

 

[Non Player Canadiens]

Bergevin in Columbus would be incredibly entertaining.

what's the meta from for building an NHL team from about 10 years ago? that's where they'd be headed babyyyyyyyy

 

[The Last Red]

So jealous of Dallas getting Wyatt Johnston late 1st round.
Wish our scouts could hit it like that.

He slipped through the cracks in his pandemic draft year, when the OHL shut down. Sure Dallas deserves credit for drafting him but they also got lucky. He wouldn’t have gotten to their pick without the pandemic.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

One bad thing if Bergevin becomes GM in Columbus is I'm convinced he would take Lindstrom. Fits his mold.

What’s weird about him though is… he didn’t draft or trade that way. And he drafted players his coaches didn’t like.

Got Galchenyuk - Therrien hated him
Signed Briere - Therrien hated him
Got Vanek - Therrien hated him
Got KK - Julien hated him

Just made no sense in how he did things.

Honestly, who knows how this guy drafts?

 

[Tyson]

He slipped through the cracks in his pandemic draft year, when the OHL shut down. Sure Dallas deserves credit for drafting him but they also got lucky. He wouldn’t have gotten to their pick without the pandemic.

Covid got us Xhekaj and Mailloux.

 

[The Real Timo]

Does that mean Bergevin is not a consideration for the Toronto job
I’m sad.

 

[Tyson]

Does that mean Bergevin is not a consideration for the Toronto job
I’m sad.

Toronto already has a Bergevin clone in Treliving

 

[sampollock]

Toronto already has a Bergevin clone in Treliving

who aka's as Bubbles off trailer park boys

 

[Tyson]

Can't wait for the Stuart Skinner show later this evening

 

[red devil]

Can't wait for the Stuart Skinner show later this evening

 

[the]

Those poor bastards in Columbus. That franchise just put the nail in the coffin with that move.

 

[sampollock]

Those poor bastards in Columbus. That franchise just put the nail in the coffin with that move.

But they will have a GM that dresses like Willy Wonka

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Introducing… Ken Dryden

 

[Runner77]

He slipped through the cracks in his pandemic draft year, when the OHL shut down. Sure Dallas deserves credit for drafting him but they also got lucky. He wouldn’t have gotten to their pick without the pandemic.

The flip side is you’ve got to be good to be lucky. They are definitely doing something right.

 

[Tyson]

Holy cow! Nice work Ken Holland

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Interesting excerpt from Basu in The Athletic:

On Ghuele’s expected goals against; “expected goals against per 60 minutes of five-on-five ice time relative to a player’s teammates. In other words, how does that number change when he’s off the ice? In looking at that stat, Evolving Hockey showed Kaiden Guhle finished eighth among NHL defencemen who played at least 1,000 minutes at five-on-five this season.


What was more interesting about that stat is when it came to actual goals against per 60 relative to his teammates, Guhle was 14th-worst among those same defencemen. The only other player on that list who had a bigger disparity between his expected goals and actual goals was San Jose Sharks defenceman Mario Ferraro, who was seventh-worst in actual goals against relative to his teammates and was 11th-best in expected goals against.”

So basically, he played really well defensively but got scored on a lot.

 

[red devil]

 

[vokiel]

Is it exceptions if the same team keeps doing it?

Oettinger
Robertson
Stankoven
Hintz
Bourque
Johnston

They have been doing an excellent job of finding core players out of the top 10. We need to find a way to ensure we do the same.

Fire our amateur scouts and hire theirs ?

Never an easy solution. Personally I think they should crowd-fund scouting

 

[Runner77]

Fire our amateur scouts and hire theirs ?

Never an easy solution. Personally I think they should crowd-fund scouting

We’d need to unmask the 10 scouts that keep feeding BobbyMac so they lose their jobs.

And then scoop them up.