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Boss Man Hughes said:
Both teams were still a lot better than what MSL has had. Not deep but not as many worthless plugs and not the youngest team in the NHL.
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It’s like people who cite Michel Therrien’s record… how did he do here without Carey Price?

The roster matters a lot.

Wins and losses are also not the only way to evaluate a coach. MSL was brought in for development purposes.
 
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morhilane said:
Some people love drama.
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I watch hockey for entertainment, it isn’t a retirement portfolio.

If Roy’s a bad coach then what is MSL? Awful? How many young players can MSL be credited for developing and how many have not developed during this period with him at helm?

Was Barron a success case or failure?
 
ReHabs said:
I watch hockey for entertainment, it isn’t a retirement portfolio.

If Roy’s a bad coach then what is MSL? Awful? How many young players can MSL be credited for developing and how many have not developed during this period with him at helm?

Was Barron a success case or failure?
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Let's ignore Xhekaj, Guhle, Hutson being given complete confidence right away.

Let's also ignore the progress made by Slaf, Caufield and Suzuki. Yep let's focus instead on the exceptions to the rule.

Roy is as overrated as it gets. This fanbase has nothing to envy on a guy with questionable character off the ice
 
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Le Barron de HF said:
Let's ignore Xhekaj, Guhle, Hutson being given complete confidence right away.

Let's also ignore the progress made by Slaf, Caufield and Suzuki. Yep let's focus instead on the exceptions to the rule.
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Giving MSL credit for Hutson’s “confidence” is like giving Therrien credit for Subban.

Slafkvosky the 1OA who is stagnating and widely criticised already. You wanna argue that’s a MSL development achievement?

Newhook, Barron, Dach — exceptions of course. But Caufield who was scoring in the playoffs before MSL was an NHL coach is a MSL achievement. Suzuki too, yeah sure.

MSL’s CV right now is not good. Not sure why it’s so hard to admit something so obvious.
Le Barron de HF said:
Roy is as overrated as it gets. This fanbase has nothing to envy on a guy with questionable character off the ice
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And yet his CV is better than MSL’s. Both as a player and as a coach.
 
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ReHabs said:
Giving MSL credit for Hutson’s “confidence” is like giving Therrien credit for Subban.

Slafkvosky the 1OA who is stagnating and widely criticised already. You wanna argue that’s a MSL development achievement?

Newhook, Barron, Dach — exceptions of course. But Caufield who was scoring in the playoffs before MSL was an NHL coach is a MSL achievement. Suzuki too, yeah sure.

MSL’s CV right now is not good. Not sure why it’s so hard to admit something so obvious.

And yet his CV is better than MSL’s. Both as a player and as a coach.
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Are we supposed to ignore how bad Caufield looked under Ducharme? Caufield's overall game has improved, not just production do yes credit goes to MSL.

Takes 1 multi point game for Slaf to go from stagnating to progressing so this one will definitely need to be circled back on but not worried at all about him. But again are we supposed to ignore the tremendous jump from D+1 to D+2 and pretend St Louis had no effect on that?

I can sort of see your point for Therrien with Subban but by then he was already PK's 3rd coach and PK was 23 years old by then. Hutson is 20 with no pro experience prior to this. He's actually averaging more time than PK did in his first year. Not every rookie defenseman gets the Brock Faber treatment and the leash is quite long for Hutson to make mistakes so I think it's dishonest to say it's a given that any coaching staff would have given this much rope to a 20 year old Hutson.
 
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Le Barron de HF said:
Are we supposed to ignore how bad Caufield looked under Ducharme? Caufield's overall game has improved, not just production do yes credit goes to MSL.

Takes 1 multi point game for Slaf to go from stagnating to progressing so this one will definitely need to be circled back on but not worried at all about him. But again are we supposed to ignore the tremendous jump from D+1 to D+2 and pretend St Louis had no effect on that?

I can sort of see your point for Therrien with Subban but by then he was already PK's 3rd coach and PK was 23 years old by then. Hutson is 20 with no pro experience prior to this. He's actually averaging more time than PK did in his first year. Not every rookie defenseman gets the Brock Faber treatment and the leash is quite long for Hutson to make mistakes so I think it's dishonest to say it's a given that any coaching staff would have given this much rope to a 20 year old Hutson.
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I don’t think MSL is some development soothsayer. The many players who have not progressed (one already cut loose: Barron) tells me that it is not his strength. Not a weakness, not a strength.

Then what is his strength?

Defensive stability — no.
Professionalism — no.
Tough teams — no.
Consistent teams - no.
Never quit teams — no.
Tactics - no.
Results - no.

What’s the infatuating with his coaching based on, anyway?
 
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ReHabs said:
I don’t think MSL is some development soothsayer. The many players who have not progressed (one already cut loose: Barron) tells me that it is not his strength. Not a weakness, not a strength.

Then what is his strength?

Defensive stability — no.
Professionalism — no.
Tough teams — no.
Consistent teams - no.
Never quit teams — no.
Tactics - no
Results - no.

What’s the infatuating with his coaching based on, anyway?
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Barron is irrelevant. Nothing a coach can do with a player who has very little hockey sense.
 
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ReHabs said:
I don’t think MSL is some development soothsayer. The many players who have not progressed (one already cut loose: Barron) tells me that it is not his strength. Not a weakness, not a strength.

Then what is his strength?

Defensive stability — no.
Professionalism — no.
Tough teams — no.
Consistent teams - no.
Never quit teams — no.
Tactics - no.
Results - no.

What’s the infatuating with his coaching based on, anyway?
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I think you're not being fair in a) your evaluation of player personnel (toughness, defense) and b) how Hugo's vision also plays a part.

Last year's team was good 5 on 5. That has to do with defensive stability. I mentioned you some players on D who have developed well. Is it his fault that the team has a young D and veterans holding spots in wrong chair?

If team improves again in points are we supposed to ignore that because they didn't make playoffs int year 3 of rebuild? Individual results are there for most part. Anderson has a role 2 coaching Staff didn't give him. Evans is having a career year. Heineman looks good .

For professionalism, you're relying on the blow outs? How he treats the media? How team comes prepared or not..?

A young team will be inconsistent. I think your expectations based on roster are simply not realistic.

Tactics, is this saying we're being outcoached? I think since he modified D scheme, there isn't really an obvious issue on tactics. Heck special teams are doing well this year.
 
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Le Barron de HF said:
Let's ignore Xhekaj, Guhle, Hutson being given complete confidence right away.

Let's also ignore the progress made by Slaf, Caufield and Suzuki. Yep let's focus instead on the exceptions to the rule.

Roy is as overrated as it gets. This fanbase has nothing to envy on a guy with questionable character off the ice
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MSL turned a young Caufield around after a disaster start three years ago but outside of that, I can’t point to another player he’s coached and say he’s done wonders for them. Suzuki was a finished product when he got him and Hutson was NHL ready. He waited until Slafkovsky was damn near on the brink of demotion last year to try him on the first line which worked out great but has gone back to dinking around with him this season. Played Guhle on his weak side forever in favour of Matheson, he doesn’t know what to do with Dach, Jackeye’s handling has been confusing for awhile now, Mailloux never should’ve made the team, etc.
 
nhlfan9191 said:
MSL turned a young Caufield around after a disaster start three years ago but outside of that, I can’t point to another player he’s coached and say he’s done wonders for them. Suzuki was a finished product when he got him and Hutson was NHL ready. He waited until Slafkovsky was damn near on the brink of demotion last year to try him on the first line which worked out great but has gone back to dinking around with him this season. Played Guhle on his weak side forever in favour of Matheson, he doesn’t know what to do with Dach, Jackeye’s handling has been confusing for awhile now, Mailloux never should’ve made the team, etc.
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Suzuki was far from a finished product. He went from a sub 60 guy to 70+ points and possibly PPG while improving at driving the play. Caufield is a more complete player. Xhekaj was ass at the start of the season and he was overthinking things. Marty made adjustments for him to play better.

Mailloux didn't make the team no?

Guhle; for all we know he volunteered to do it since it'd be an extra thing going for him to make the team canada roster.

Evans is another player who improved.

What is there to do with Dach? He moved him the top PP unit. He's back at C.
 
nhlfan9191 said:
MSL turned a young Caufield around after a disaster start three years ago but outside of that, I can’t point to another player he’s coached and say he’s done wonders for them. Suzuki was a finished product when he got him and Hutson was NHL ready. He waited until Slafkovsky was damn near on the brink of demotion last year to try him on the first line which worked out great but has gone back to dinking around with him this season. Played Guhle on his weak side forever in favour of Matheson, he doesn’t know what to do with Dach, Jackeye’s handling has been confusing for awhile now, Mailloux never should’ve made the team, etc.
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By and large almost all our prospects had improved significantly coming into this year.

Now… is that the result of coaching? Maybe not. But if nothing else MSL was smart enough to give players an opportunity to show what they could do and didn’t stand in their way. A lot of coaches aren’t able to do this.

Secondly, we did see some issues this year. Newhook doesn’t look like what he did - some, but not all of that can be attributed to Dach. Dach obviously has had some challenges due to his injuries. Baron didn’t progress neither did Roy. It’s been a challenging year and we got off to a terrible start.

Over the past few years though, he’s done a lot of good overall in terms of developing these players. The entire body of work is good. He’s contributed positively in how we’ve developed and came along at the right time - particularly for Caufield. I’m not sure if he’s going to be the guy to take us to the next level but he’s a good development coach.
 
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Le Barron de HF said:
Are we supposed to ignore how bad Caufield looked under Ducharme? Caufield's overall game has improved, not just production do yes credit goes to MSL.

Takes 1 multi point game for Slaf to go from stagnating to progressing so this one will definitely need to be circled back on but not worried at all about him. But again are we supposed to ignore the tremendous jump from D+1 to D+2 and pretend St Louis had no effect on that?

I can sort of see your point for Therrien with Subban but by then he was already PK's 3rd coach and PK was 23 years old by then. Hutson is 20 with no pro experience prior to this. He's actually averaging more time than PK did in his first year. Not every rookie defenseman gets the Brock Faber treatment and the leash is quite long for Hutson to make mistakes so I think it's dishonest to say it's a given that any coaching staff would have given this much rope to a 20 year old Hutson.
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Very well said.

The coaching job being done with this young group is impressive. I don't think some posters appreciate or understand how challenging it is to run a squad as young & inexperienced as ours...
 
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