Out of Town Round 1 Playoff Thread

[Svechhammer]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA the LOiLers don't disappoint. Jets get the broomsticks out in triple OT on a Kyle Connor breakaway

Ladies and gents, this is why I've predicted all season that Big Dick Brock is going to get the big bucks from the Oil. I can already see the desperation on their front office's faces after that gigantic choke. If you can't draft and develop to save your life, you will have to pay the UFA tax to keep your two superstars happy.

I can see them throwing large sums of money at Dougie to fix their blue line, and it backfiring almost immediately.

 

[ONO94]

The Oilers would be better served going after Haakanpaa and some top 9 forwards over Dougie. Or really--they should move their entire front office to Montana so they don't have listen to Oiler's fans...and maybe they would do something that doesn't always seem to be a panic move.

 

[bleedgreen]

The Oilers would be better served going after Haakanpaa and some top 9 forwards over Dougie. Or really--they should move their entire front office to Montana so they don't have listen to Oiler's fans...and maybe they would do something that doesn't always seem to be a panic move.

Unless Seattle bails them out they don’t have a lot of space to add much more than some top nine forwards. Everyone that’s coming off the cap has to be replaced, if you let Nuge go you’re not saving money on his replacement. Ditto for Barrie/Larsson/Chaisson.

If they found a way to get Seattle to take Neal then they’ve freed some space to truly add something. They’re an interesting study in owning a generational player. Those two guys take up so much cap. Other than Neal they don’t have any truly bad deals, they shouldn’t be so screwed. A lot of their forwards are already dirt cheap. I could see swapping out Nuge for Hoffman or something like that. Keeping Nuge and adding Hoffman because you moved Neal would be better. Maybe they use Nuge money on two three mill players?

I’m not seeing the space for Dougie here, if they’re going to field a full squad of nhl players.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Unless Seattle bails them out they don’t have a lot of space to add much more than some top nine forwards. Everyone that’s coming off the cap has to be replaced, if you let Nuge go you’re not saving money on his replacement. Ditto for Barrie/Larsson/Chaisson.

If they found a way to get Seattle to take Neal then they’ve freed some space to truly add something. They’re an interesting study in owning a generational player. Those two guys take up so much cap. Other than Neal they don’t have any truly bad deals, they shouldn’t be so screwed. A lot of their forwards are already dirt cheap. I could see swapping out Nuge for Hoffman or something like that. Keeping Nuge and adding Hoffman because you moved Neal would be better. Maybe they use Nuge money on two three mill players?

I’m not seeing the space for Dougie here, if they’re going to field a full squad of nhl players.

Draisaitl’s contract is one of the better deals in the entire league, though. McDavid is also (arguably) underpaid. The problem that Edmonton has isn’t those two’s contracts. It’s that they can’t find support pieces beyond the first round if their lives depended on it. Even with the arguable cap circumvention this year, Tampa has tens of millions poured into Kucherov/Stamkos/Hedman/Vasilevskiy. They’re as deep as they are because their mid-to-lower round drafting and development has been completely absurd. It’s a big reason why I think that this decade will be Tampa’s and Carolina’s to own, and why a club like Colorado, though they look loaded now, lack mid-round developed talent on the roster and may have a shorter window. Hitting big in the 2nd round and below is where the long-term sustainability resides.

 

[bleedgreen]

Draisaitl’s contract is one of the better deals in the entire league, though. McDavid is also (arguably) underpaid. The problem that Edmonton has isn’t those two’s contracts. It’s that they can’t find support pieces beyond the first round if their lives depended on it. Even with the arguable cap circumvention this year, Tampa has tens of millions poured into Kucherov/Stamkos/Hedman/Vasilevskiy. They’re as deep as they are because their mid-to-lower round drafting and development has been completely absurd. It’s a big reason why I think that this decade will be Tampa’s and Carolina’s to own, and why a club like Colorado, though they look loaded now, lack mid-round developed talent on the roster and may have a shorter window. Hitting big in the 2nd round and below is where the long-term sustainability resides.

Byram and Newhook are just getting there, and the Av's havent sacrificed any first rounders - only second rounders for Toews and Burakowsky which you can easily argue have been fully worth it. They'll be getting years out of at least Toews for sure. As far as mid round development, we don't have that much going on currently so I feel per usual you are presuming our future mid round success before it gets here. We don't belong on Tampa's tier and we don't have much advantage on the Avs currently. That may change as our next wave actually starts showing up and playing well. Guys like Murray and Tieksola don't count as successes yet. Jarvis may equal Newhook but we certainly don't have a Byram coming and Bean doesnt equal that guy. We may be a short window team ourselves if we continue using picks and prospects to fill out the big roster.

I'm not saying the dynamic duo doesnt perform for their contracts, just saying that the size of them can absolutely get in the way. Tampa isn't paying anyone 12.5 million - not even 10. It's interesting that you'd even use Tampa as an example as everyone knows they got a break due to taxes, and that none of their guys wouldve signed for so little anywhere else. You cant use them as a baseline that everyone else should be using. Hedman is a horrible comparable for any top end dman. You can't crack on the Oilers for not being Tampa. They had to pay their two actual value. You're right about Tampa and the drafting - and we don't have anything that compares to getting guys like Point or Cirelli. Or to land UFA's like Gourde. Not to mention Holland has only been there a bit - why does he get tagged on for bad drafting? His drafts havent had time to come around.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Byram and Newhook are just getting there, and the Av's havent sacrificed any first rounders - only second rounders for Toews and Burakowsky which you can easily argue have been fully worth it. They'll be getting years out of at least Toews for sure. As far as mid round development, we don't have that much going on currently so I feel per usual you are presuming our future mid round success before it gets here. We don't belong on Tampa's tier and we don't have much advantage on the Avs currently. That may change as our next wave actually starts showing up and playing well. Guys like Murray and Tieksola don't count as successes yet. Jarvis may equal Newhook but we certainly don't have a Byram coming and Bean doesnt equal that guy. We may be a short window team ourselves if we continue using picks and prospects to fill out the big roster.

I'm not saying the dynamic duo doesnt perform for their contracts, just saying that the size of them can absolutely get in the way. Tampa isn't paying anyone 12.5 million - not even 10. It's interesting that you'd even use Tampa as an example as everyone knows they got a break due to taxes, and that none of their guys wouldve signed for so little anywhere else. You cant use them as a baseline that everyone else should be using. Hedman is a horrible comparable for any top end dman. You can't crack on the Oilers for not being Tampa. They had to pay their two actual value. You're right about Tampa and the drafting - and we don't have anything that compares to getting guys like Point or Cirelli. Or to land UFA's like Gourde. Not to mention Holland has only been there a bit - why does he get tagged on for bad drafting? His drafts havent had time to come around.

The big issue in Edmonton is that Holland is mostly a guy that works with signings and trades. Most of the Old Boys Club is still in tact when it comes to the guys behind Holland that handle scouting and development. That's why (at least historically), it didn't matter who the GM was in Edmonton. That organization is the prime example of one that needs a complete managerial wipeout instead of a scalpel.

Also, I do admit that I am expecting a continuation of what Francis and his group started in Carolina. Too early to judge 2019 and 2020, of course, but I can still add Lorentz, Nedeljkovic, and Geekie to the list this year of guys that have well outperformed their draft slot. If that comes to pass, we can start putting ourselves in the same category as Tampa.

 

[bleedgreen]

The big issue in Edmonton is that Holland is mostly a guy that works with signings and trades. Most of the Old Boys Club is still in tact when it comes to the guys behind Holland that handle scouting and development. That's why (at least historically), it didn't matter who the GM was in Edmonton. That organization is the prime example of one that needs a complete managerial wipeout instead of a scalpel.

Old boys club is another term thats becoming so fetch to me. Experienced and good at the job can be another name for "old boys club", at least in terms of Holland. Holland is more than capable of being a good gm (of course he made some bad signings - but they all do), and of drafting very well. Detroit had no lack of good picks under him. I dont see the names behind him limiting what he can do or whispering in his ear. They hired him because they wanted someone like him to come in and change things. He's no puppet.

They're in position to start making some small positive changes this off season, maybe more if things fall their way.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Old boys club is another term thats becoming so fetch to me. Experienced and good at the job can be another name for "old boys club", at least in terms of Holland. Holland is more than capable of being a good gm (of course he made some bad signings - but they all do), and of drafting very well. Detroit had no lack of good picks under him. I dont see the names behind him limiting what he can do or whispering in his ear. They hired him because they wanted someone like him to come in and change things. He's no puppet.

They're in position to start making some small positive changes this off season, maybe more if things fall their way.

I never said that Edmonton won't improve. I just think that the improvement will be more incremental than stratospheric for various reasons that don't have anything to do with McDrai's contracts and mostly due to the drafting woes from prior people, many of whom are still in the organization for some reason.

 

[3CanesInTheBox]

This is amazing ahaha:

 

[sabremike]

One more last trip to the old barn on Hempstead Turnpike:

 

[Tryamw]

French hockey in Montreal. How many Americans going crazy

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

FROM REDDIT. YES THERE ARE SOME… “TYPOS”.


Colorado Avalanche: WERE WINNING THE CUP BABY! We will not speak of last year ever again.
Vegas Golden Nights: we’re fine right? Ok we are good, WINNING THE CUP BABY!
Minnesota Wild: I didn’t hear no bell
St. Louis Blues: cry’s in Gloria
Carolina Panthers: WHY WONT YOU JUST DIE?
Nashville Predators: NEVER!
Tampa Bay Lightning: no no no no no no no no please no.
Florida Panthers: were still alive... weird.
Pittsburg Penguins: PENS WINNING THE STANLEY CUP, GONNA BEAT THOSE ISLANDER f***S... passes out for a brief moment from being drunk YNZER NATION FOREVER!
New York Islanders: Where was this last year Jesus Christ we could win this thing.
Boston Bruins: Is way to drunk to give any kind of logical or even understandable response
Washington Capitals: sometimes, it’s the smaller things in life, like having your star player want to play for your team, or everybody forgetting how much of a piece of shit Wilson is because we’re eliminated. Hey it’s better then not making the playoffs I guess.
Toronto Maple Leafs: we got this in the bag... right?
Montreal Canadiens: fire literally everybody, yes that includes the janitors.
Winnipeg Jets: Sorry what were you asking me about to busy SWEEPING AWAY THIS SPILT OIL ON THE GROUND!
Edmonton Oilers: “9 1 1 what’s your emergency”, yeah can I get connected to suicide hot line?

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Good ole Carolina Panthers

 

[HisIceness]

This is amazing ahaha:

Imagine this being 2 years ago when the Jackets swept the Lightning

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Old boys club is another term thats becoming so fetch to me.

Fetch is a term that is becoming so fetch to me.

 

[bleedgreen]

Fetch is a term that is becoming so fetch to me.

I thought I was the only Gretchen pushing for it!

 

[w e l o s t b o y s]

been beat to death at this point but it's insane that Fleury/Murray/Jarry tandem turned into this

 

[The Faulker 27]

Not looking good for the Ice Birds.

 

[A Star is Burns]

Pens could be in for some chaos this off-season with the management change if this is how things finish.

 

[Tryamw]

Not looking good for the Ice Birds.

I'll Give them some thoughts and prayers.. if I remember.

 

[Tryamw]

What a weak call it LOOKED bad

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Isles outperform expectations in the post-season. In other news, the sky is blue, water is wet, and I like this front office.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

and I like this front office.

we would have never guessed

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I want the Islanders to win but they have 0 chance against Boston. At least with the Penguins would get a fair shake with the refs and have a chance

 

[3CanesInTheBox]

I want the Islanders to win but they have 0 chance against Boston. At least with the Penguins would get a fair shake with the refs and have a chance

I thought that, too, but...Jarry, man, Jarry...