Our rebuild hasn't really started yet

[dumbdick]

Correct me if I'm wrong (and I might be), but I'm pretty sure that not one single piece that we acquired from our "rebuild" in 2011 has played on the sens yet. Basically, we would have all the same roster pieces now even if we had kept Kelly, Fisher, Camps and Kovalev.

Says a lot about this team's drafting abilities, although Kelly and Fish certainly could have helped this playoff.

 

[Tundraman]

The rebuild was as much about making room for other under developed players in the system and not just about who would come later as the result of the picks.

 

[swiftwin]

Uhhh, Zibanejad and Pageau...

Besides, "rebuild" is such a stupid term anyways. It doesn't always mean go full-on Pittsburgh/Edmonton tank and draft really high. It's an ambiguous term. Murray said there's a 3-year plan, and we're in year 2.

 

[CanadianHockey]

I have never heard anyone argue that definition of rebuild before. The rebuild starts when you blow the core up, not when the prospects those players brought back make the big club. Our rebuild started the instant the team decided to change direction and blow up the core following one of the worst seasons for the franchise in over decade. We dumped four guys in a single deadline, including two of our top three centers, going from an older team to one of the youngest in the league in the process. That qualifies, IMO, as blowing up the roster. Since then, we've seen an infusion of youth and prospects from the AHL and from our recent drafts. By this definition, yeah, we are actually entering our third rebuilding offseason and our third 'year' of rebuilding.

 

[StefanW]

Along with blowing up the core of players we also got rid of our coach. While that step is not necessary in a re-build, it did put a stamp on the fact that the direction of the team was radically changing.

 

[dumbdick]

Pageau and Zibby aren't really part of the rebuild in the sense that we didn't get them by unloading anyone. We actually played better after dealing our players that year.

Maybe the thread title is a bit misleading. I really just meant to point out how none of our success can really be attributed to the "rebuild" yet. In fact, seeing as how we haven't missed the playoffs since dealing those assets, this is an incredibly atypical rebuild.

 

[Legend Killer]

The 2 biggest "rebuild" pieces we got were Craig Anderson & Paul MacLean. Neither of which were involved in the 2 trades where we moved Fisher & Kelly...

I wouldnt even really call what we are going thru a rebuild... More of a retool on the fly.

 

[benjiv1]

Pageau and Zibby aren't really part of the rebuild in the sense that we didn't get them by unloading anyone. We actually played better after dealing our players that year.

Maybe the thread title is a bit misleading. I really just meant to point out how none of our success can really be attributed to the "rebuild" yet. In fact, seeing as how we haven't missed the playoffs since dealing those assets, this is an incredibly atypical rebuild.

You're forgetting that by trading away Fisher and Kelly, we allow for young players to test the water.

Also, we stopped attempting to "load up" at the trade deadline by trading away picks, which in the long run will allow us more attempts at drafting key players.

In all likeliness we wouldn't have traded for Turris if we still had Fisher.

 

[CanadianHockey]

Pageau and Zibby aren't really part of the rebuild in the sense that we didn't get them by unloading anyone. We actually played better after dealing our players that year.

Maybe the thread title is a bit misleading. I really just meant to point out how none of our success can really be attributed to the "rebuild" yet. In fact, seeing as how we haven't missed the playoffs since dealing those assets, this is an incredibly atypical rebuild.

It's in large part atypical because the emphasis on drafting and developing began three years before we blew up, whereas most teams that enter a rebuild don't have that prospect core - they're just an aging team that is past its window, starting to decline, and trades its vets to restock the system from near scratch.

 

[mcnorth]

I have never heard anyone argue that definition of rebuild before. The rebuild starts when you blow the core up, not when the prospects those players brought back make the big club. Our rebuild started the instant the team decided to change direction and blow up the core following one of the worst seasons for the franchise in over decade. We dumped four guys in a single deadline, including two of our top three centers, going from an older team to one of the youngest in the league in the process. That qualifies, IMO, as blowing up the roster. Since then, we've seen an infusion of youth and prospects from the AHL and from our recent drafts. By this definition, yeah, we are actually entering our third rebuilding offseason and our third 'year' of rebuilding.

Good post. I was trying to wrap my head around it but you cleared it up for me. Yeah, I think of Anderson-Elliott as part of the rebuild. Clearing bodies as part of the rebuild.

 

[Iamok]

We've turned over 12/20 roster spots from the start of 2011. I'd say the rebuild went further than just trading 4 guys for picks.

Also +1 from above. No chance Turris is here if Fisher was still around.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

...and don't forget the culture change and different mentality in the dressing room when you start changing the core group. That's definitely a big part of rebuilding a team.

 

[Clamshells]

Pageau and Zibby aren't really part of the rebuild in the sense that we didn't get them by unloading anyone. We actually played better after dealing our players that year.

Maybe the thread title is a bit misleading. I really just meant to point out how none of our success can really be attributed to the "rebuild" yet. In fact, seeing as how we haven't missed the playoffs since dealing those assets, this is an incredibly atypical rebuild.

i guess rnh, hall and yakupov arent true parts of the edmonton rebuild because they didnt trade off the roster for those picks?

rebuilding is all about the change. everyone that joined the team after the 2011 TDL blow up is part of the rebuild. the people who were kept on the team are also part of the rebuild.

 

[VVS]

The rebuild has started a while ago.

The pieces we acquired through starting it haven't come into play yet.

 

[Back in Black]

The rebuild started after the Stanley Cup loss in 2007.

Ever since Murray took over as GM. That's more like year 6 now!

 

[Dr.Sens(e)]

Pageau and Zibby aren't really part of the rebuild in the sense that we didn't get them by unloading anyone. We actually played better after dealing our players that year.

Maybe the thread title is a bit misleading. I really just meant to point out how none of our success can really be attributed to the "rebuild" yet. In fact, seeing as how we haven't missed the playoffs since dealing those assets, this is an incredibly atypical rebuild.

We traded a bunch of our best players, which for the most part, assured us a lottery pick, and with that pick we took Zibanejad. He is part of it for sure. Pageau we might have drafted anyway, but maybe not, as our pick would have been at a different spot and he might have been off the board.

The other point, is that another late season acquisition, Craig Anderson, has played a role. I know he wasn't a 'young guy', but we acquired an established goalie in his prime to see whether he would play well here and we might sign him to be a part of the long term rebuild. So Anderson was definitely part of the new vision, which began in 2011.

But for the most part, you are correct. Puempel, Noesen, Ceci, Prince and many others have yet to play a game, let alone make an impact.

 

[Inkling]

Notable is that this season, the Sens were the third youngest team in the league.

Two years ago, we were the sixth oldest.

http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/teams

 

[OD99]

We traded a bunch of our best players, which for the most part, assured us a lottery pick

In actuality we played much better after trading away our vets and acquiring Anderson so we slipped back in the draft...so far happy with Zib but we might well have had Landeskog if we didn't screw it up by playing so well down the stretch!

 

[OD99]

Notable is that this season, the Sens were the third youngest team in the league.

Two years ago, we were the sixth oldest.

http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/teams

And although I would be happy to have them both back if we swap out Gonch and (please come back!!!) Alfie for youngsters we would probably move to 2nd or even 1st.

 

[Dr.Sens(e)]

In actuality we played much better after trading away our vets and acquiring Anderson so we slipped back in the draft...so far happy with Zib but we might well have had Landeskog if we didn't screw it up by playing so well down the stretch!

I'm not sure we played better, but Anderson standing on his head in the last 10 games cost us a few spots, to be sure.

 

[NyQuil]

I've always maintained that the rebuild is complete when Alfie, Phillips and Gonchar are off the team, but especially Alfie and Phillips who have been the leadership team of the franchise for a long while now.

Actually, Gonchar doesn't really matter. He's a bit of a mercenary at this point I think.

 

[Sensinitis]

I've always maintained that the rebuild is complete when Alfie, Phillips and Gonchar are off the team, but especially Alfie and Phillips who have been the leadership team of the franchise for a long while now.

Actually, Gonchar doesn't really matter. He's a bit of a mercenary at this point I think.

I'd include Neil, but maybe not Spezza in that group.

 

[trentmccleary]

We dumped four guys in a single deadline, including two of our top three centers...

At the deadline, Murray dumped:

Michalek - Spezza - Alfie
Fol/Reg - Fisher - Kovalev
Ruutu - Kelly - C. Neil

Kuba - Karlsson
Phillips - Gonchar
Campoli - Carkner

Elliott - Leclaire

So, the 2nd and 3rd lines, the number 1 goalie and a bottom pairing D-man for a total of 1/3rd of the team.

We actually played better after dealing our players that year.

No, we won more games after jettisoning Brian Elliot from our net. In addition to rectifying an early season coaching mistake and an unfortunate incident.

The 2 biggest "rebuild" pieces we got were Craig Anderson & Paul MacLean. Neither of which were involved in the 2 trades where we moved Fisher & Kelly...

I wouldnt even really call what we are going thru a rebuild... More of a retool on the fly.

Exactly.

But I wouldn't go so far in the 2nd part. Very few players were identified as part of a rebuilt team. It's not a retool.

The rebuild started after the Stanley Cup loss in 2007.

Ever since Murray took over as GM. That's more like year 6 now!

Murray tried to win. He signed players, he made trades and he spent to the cap. He just tried to win with the worst goaltending in the league for 4 years straight before turning to Anderson.

I've always maintained that the rebuild is complete when Alfie, Phillips and Gonchar are off the team, but especially Alfie and Phillips who have been the leadership team of the franchise for a long while now.

Actually, Gonchar doesn't really matter. He's a bit of a mercenary at this point I think.

I don't like your definition of rebuild. IMO, teams that started without or completely gutted their veteran core have had great difficulty producing quality leaders/winners out of their high draft picks to build around. The expansion teams and longterm bottom feeders have produced a number of accumulators who've won nothing. Heck, our first picks were Yashin, Daigle and Bonk. What kind of guidance do you think that they were going to get out of Mark Freer and Sylvain Turgeon?