Proposal: Ottawa - Edmonton

[thadd]

Ebs for Ryan.. change of scenery. McDavid and Ryan would probably better.

Reinhart and Lazar... we bit of a wash here.

I think Edmonton has to throw in a 2nd or a 3rd rounder.

 

[Oilwings]

Lazar had a greater chance of sticking long term with the Oilers. Reinhart will never make the team.

 

[Boud]

This would be a good trade for both teams IMO as the Oilers are trying to win now and they've been waiting for a long time. Ryan plays a style that's a lot more suited to the western conference and has more size. Eberle plays a more speedy game like Boucher wants.

Lazar for me I wouldn't mind at all trading him.

The key here for Ottawa is that this gives us a lot of financial flexibility in 19-20 when we have to sign Karlsson and Brassard.

 

[Benjamin]

Ebs for Ryan.. change of scenery. McDavid and Ryan would probably better.

Reinhart and Lazar... we bit of a wash here.

I think Edmonton has to throw in a 2nd or a 3rd rounder.

Haha, as a Sens fan, I thought we may have to add a little bit.

This deal is too good to be realistic for the Sens.

 

[edguy]

Haha, as a Sens fan, I thought we may have to add a little bit.

This deal is too good to be realistic for the Sens.

I think your over valuating the Oilers guys if thats the case.
I'd probably do it as a sens fan. Can see why Oilers would too.

 

[Ninety7]

I'd do it

 

[Poignant Discussion*]

Ebs for Ryan.. change of scenery. McDavid and Ryan would probably better.

Reinhart and Lazar... we bit of a wash here.

I think Edmonton has to throw in a 2nd or a 3rd rounder.

Maybe if Ottawa retained 2 million on Ryan, that contract is hidious

 

[Benjamin]

I think your over valuating the Oilers guys if thats the case.
I'd probably do it as a sens fan. Can see why Oilers would too.

Eberle > Ryan
Reinhart < Lazar

I think Reinhart has very little value. Lazar has decent value.

Escaping from Ryan's contract is very, very valuable. Plus we get Eberle.

 

[Bileur]

This is the most civil and reasonable Sens - Oilers trade proposal thread I've seen in several years. GJ guys.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Lets make this deal happen.

Eberle is faster than Ryan which is all i really care about. While Ryan is more suited to the western conference.

 

[50 in 07]

Maybe if Ottawa retained 2 million on Ryan, that contract is hidious

Ottawa, as a budget team, is never ever going to retain on anyone. No point even discussing it.

 

[russ99]

I'd pass on this one for the Oilers, but mainly because they'd overvalue Lazar with all their Oil King "inside information" and get fleeced.

 

[Xspyrit]

True that this thread was pleasant and civilized

Both Eberle and Ryan are lazy one-dimensional players.

Then swap them, it will give a a bit of a breathing room to both fanbases for a few months to keep the whiners quiet.

Wouldn't do this from the Oilers POV. The way I see it Lazar holds more value than Reinhart, but neither of them hold much value at all at this point so 90% of this deal is really Ryan for Eberle making the other parts irrelevant. Ryan's contract is already bad and on its way to being horrendous in a few years so that's a deal breaker for me.

Ryan has produced about ~ 57 pts per 82 games in EACH of the last 5 seasons. He has never been a fast skater or dynamic player. He is a finesse player.

How much do you think he should be paid so that contract wouldn't be "bad and on its way to being horrendous"?

Ebs for Ryan.. change of scenery. McDavid and Ryan would probably better.

Reinhart and Lazar... we bit of a wash here.

I think Edmonton has to throw in a 2nd or a 3rd rounder.

I think it's fair like this because Eberle might have a bit more value (younger and a bit cheaper) but Lazar has more value than Reinhart

This proposal is actually one of the few fair ones you can find on HF. Good job OP

This would be a good trade for both teams IMO as the Oilers are trying to win now and they've been waiting for a long time. Ryan plays a style that's a lot more suited to the western conference and has more size. Eberle plays a more speedy game like Boucher wants.

Lazar for me I wouldn't mind at all trading him.

The key here for Ottawa is that this gives us a lot of financial flexibility in 19-20 when we have to sign Karlsson and Brassard.

This

Maybe if Ottawa retained 2 million on Ryan, that contract is hidious

So you're saying Bobby Ryan should make 5.125 per season.

It's becoming easy now, because all I have to do is copy/paste from other threads

Ok but let's be sure we understand the NHL market first...

Brayden Schenn signed a 4 years extension that includes TWO (2) RFA years (remember PK Subban at $2,875,000 x 2 years?)

Here's the list of forwards actually making 5 to 5.5 :

https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/active/2017/caphit/all/forwards (well, gotta select 5 to 5.5 cap hits manually)

- Schwartz is 24 y/o and is paid 5.35 with some RFA years included (like Schenn).

- Hossa and Ignila are 37 and 39

- Lupul, Horton and Clarkson are broken down/awful

- Carter is on 11 year contract that was signed in 2010 when the Cap was much lower

- Benn is on a great contract but 4/5 years were RFA. His new cap hit is going to be 9.5

- Hoffman is on a good contract but can be a defensive liability at times.

- Kane is unstable (a head case too) and hasn't produced that well. RFA years mostly, way overpaid.

- Nielsen signed from 32 y/o to 38 y/o. His last 2 seasons, he produced 43 and 52 pts. He is a good player but yeah a tier below.

Ryan was set to cash in on his full UFA 7-8 years contract. Ottawa had to overpay because small canadian market and one of the least desired UFAs destination. If you think that Ryan would have gotten 5 to 5.5 on the open market, then I dunno what to say but you don't live in the same reality as me.

 

[Sureves]

Good proposal from the Sens perspective.

It makes sense financially, and it makes sense for the team.

I'm down.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

I'd definitely do this.

Ryan could potentially play with an elite centre. Give's both guys a fresh start as well.

Don't really care about Lazar.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Really? I think if anything it's slanted in their favor. They lose a little offense between Ryan/Eberle, however get a little bigger and get someone locked up longer in Ryan (who's shown to be very productive with a top end centers). And they move on from Reinhart and get a good young player with size and offensive potential in Lazar (although the odds of him hitting that potential seem more of a long shot then they were a couple years ago).

I'm not a huge fan of Ryan, and that's why I don't like this deal. We get size...okay, but do we need more size? Not sure. We lose offense. What's our biggest problem? Right now its scoring goals.

I'm not tied to Eberle, and I won't say that this is an awful deal, but I would prefer that we see what else is out there for Ebs before we would make this deal.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

I respectfully accept.

Good deal for both teams and all players involved.

 

[Sens Vader]

awesome to see a proposal that both teams like/dont hate.

and I would love to see this actually trade go down now lol IMO both teams need a roster shakeup

 

[King1s]

Sure. Just do it.

 

[mikeyp24]

Ryan with a center like McDavid... He's back on 30 goal pace. For a year or two before going down to 25 consistently after that for 3 more then fading to 15 to 20 as he fades out. That's worth eberle who is a guy that you can easily replace. Every team has an eberle caliber player.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Ryan with a center like McDavid... He's back on 30 goal pace. For a year or two before going down to 25 consistently after that for 3 more then fading to 15 to 20 as he fades out. That's worth eberle who is a guy that you can easily replace. Every team has an eberle caliber player.

Sure thing, bro. Let's just pray the trade happens ASAP.