Proposal: Ottawa cap floor issue
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Fandlauer
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I think more than likely Ottawa trades for injured insured players. We'll happily toss in some picks for those guys. We don't want guys that may actually play.
EbonyRaptor
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ManofSteel55
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The way Lucic has played since Christmas, he is certainly valuable to have at 3 million. He's still overpaid, but if we retain to the point of 3 million, we won't need to add other pieces as incentive to take him.
The thing that Melnyk might like about Lucic's contract is that his cap hit is 6, but he is only owed 4.5 per year, and I believe there is another bonus on July 1 that will affect the overall total that he is owed. I don't know how it works out in terms of what pieces go to who, but I do think that Lucic to Ottawa isn't impossible.
Fogelhund
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Ottawa seems to have about $45 million committed for next year, and the Cap Floor is likely to be in the $60 mil range. They have 14 guys signed. Spending $15 mil on 9 guys shouldn't be too hard, so they shouldn't have issues hitting the cap floor.
That being said, if there was a good deal, for them to take on Cap, it would have to be worth their while to do so. Even Ottawa might ask for at least a first, to take on Lucic, or Bouchard. No matter who you try and pawn Lucic off to, it's going to be a cost you don't want to pay.
That being said, if there was a good deal, for them to take on Cap, it would have to be worth their while to do so. Even Ottawa might ask for at least a first, to take on Lucic, or Bouchard. No matter who you try and pawn Lucic off to, it's going to be a cost you don't want to pay.
CupInSIX
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If Ottawa trades Stone to Vegas, they could take Clarkson's contract back and a roster player like Holden.
Clarkson is mostly insured so that's 7m to reach the floor. Vegas wouldn't have to worry about putting him on LTIR and defer possible bonuses for Glass, Brannstrom, Gusev and Engelland. If they can get Gusev to come over they're likely to want to get rid of the Clarkson contract.
Clarkson is mostly insured so that's 7m to reach the floor. Vegas wouldn't have to worry about putting him on LTIR and defer possible bonuses for Glass, Brannstrom, Gusev and Engelland. If they can get Gusev to come over they're likely to want to get rid of the Clarkson contract.
stempniaksen
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This doesn't mean Ottawa is a dumping ground for your overpaid plugs with term. Just means we'll trade for some LTIR contracts and call it a day. Maybe some veteran will sign on for 1 year this summer if we overpay him and then we have an asset to flip.
bert
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Oh thanks!
The vultures are circling, not only are you taking all the sens best players at pennies to the dollar 'and we should be happy about it' but you are going to give us your worst ones too? Sign me up!
bert
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So not only does Vegas get Stone they get to dump not one but two contracts and not give up any quality assets in the process. Sounds like a hell of a deal bob!
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Sens will target guys with LTIR and 1-2 year terms.............long term cap dumps will be of zero interest
CupInSIX
My cap runneth over
The Lewch makes too much actual $$$ and lockout-proof bonus money, plus he probably wouldn't waive.
I'll have you know Nick Holden is a fantastic asset.
If Ottawa doesn't want the help reaching the cap floor, well that's just fine!
I'll have you know Nick Holden is a fantastic asset.
If Ottawa doesn't want the help reaching the cap floor, well that's just fine!
Qward
Because! That's why!
Nope. Floor is $58.8M,
After trading those three and calling up players to fill roster spots they can meet it.
After trading those three and calling up players to fill roster spots they can meet it.
Qward
Because! That's why!
So he can retire an Senator!!!
(See how spin works)
The one problem with Lucic to Ottawa is that he doesn't expire until 2022-23 and that enters our window of 2021 - 2025 for spending.. so that's a deterrent and like topshelf said.. Lucic wouldn't waive to come here anyways so we would have to unload him somewhere else retained to make a deal. Now this could maybe work because Ottawa is only going to spend "Close to the Cap" whatever that means..
Unfortunately for the Oilers to be able to afford Stone for example they would need to lose a lot more then Lucic and I haven't even factored in the Sekera situation.. not sure how that is working? But yeah.. Oilers need to dump a lot of cap.
Ottawa would be more interested in Sekera IMO.. because one.. it looks like he might be able to play out his contract and two.. his contract expires right when our 2021 - 2025 window starts.
With that said.. if the Oilers dumped both Sekera and Lucic on Ottawa.. could they afford Stone? (He will prob sign for 9 million) getting a lot closer anyways. Of course Ottawa needs to retain and dump Lucic on a third team...
So now how do you make a trade for Stone
Sekera + Lucic* + ????? for Stone and I don't think Oilers would be willing to pay the +
*Ottawa retains on Lucic and sends to a third team for an asset.
Now if you want to get really fancy and crazy with it.. and IMO fix the Oilers so they can compete right now in one big swoop:
Sekera + Lucic*+ Spooner + RNH + Bouchard + 1st 2019 = like 19 million
for
Stone + Dzingle + Bobby Ryan = like 21 million
Oilers still have some tweaking to do to get all these players under the cap for next year but could make a run for the playoffs this year in the meantime for with a top 6 flush full of wingers.
Dzingle - Mcdavid - Pulj
Stone - Draisaitl - Ryan (Ryan and Stone have proven chemistry by the way)
Whatever mix of these 6 players works best...
Something like that... haha
Unfortunately for the Oilers to be able to afford Stone for example they would need to lose a lot more then Lucic and I haven't even factored in the Sekera situation.. not sure how that is working? But yeah.. Oilers need to dump a lot of cap.
Ottawa would be more interested in Sekera IMO.. because one.. it looks like he might be able to play out his contract and two.. his contract expires right when our 2021 - 2025 window starts.
With that said.. if the Oilers dumped both Sekera and Lucic on Ottawa.. could they afford Stone? (He will prob sign for 9 million) getting a lot closer anyways. Of course Ottawa needs to retain and dump Lucic on a third team...
So now how do you make a trade for Stone
Sekera + Lucic* + ????? for Stone and I don't think Oilers would be willing to pay the +
*Ottawa retains on Lucic and sends to a third team for an asset.
Now if you want to get really fancy and crazy with it.. and IMO fix the Oilers so they can compete right now in one big swoop:
Sekera + Lucic*+ Spooner + RNH + Bouchard + 1st 2019 = like 19 million
for
Stone + Dzingle + Bobby Ryan = like 21 million
Oilers still have some tweaking to do to get all these players under the cap for next year but could make a run for the playoffs this year in the meantime for with a top 6 flush full of wingers.
Dzingle - Mcdavid - Pulj
Stone - Draisaitl - Ryan (Ryan and Stone have proven chemistry by the way)
Whatever mix of these 6 players works best...
Something like that... haha
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It starts to get too expensive for Oil ,and any other team that needs cap help to trade for an sign one of our UFA,s...
BowDangles
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Are people only reading half of my original post?
The point is that OTTAWA WOULD RETAIN THEN MOVE HIM ELSEWHERE.
This could all be worked out in a three way deal with Lucic signing off on the final destination.
Ottawa ends up with retained money, plus assets from Edmonton AND assets from the new destination.
The point is that OTTAWA WOULD RETAIN THEN MOVE HIM ELSEWHERE.
This could all be worked out in a three way deal with Lucic signing off on the final destination.
Ottawa ends up with retained money, plus assets from Edmonton AND assets from the new destination.
MarkovsKnee
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After this year, Alzner is owed his Cap hit amount next year ($4,625m) then the next 2 years it's $3m and $3,5m.
Alzner, a 2019 5th, 2020 4th for Mike Condon and a 2020 6th.
Alzner, a 2019 5th, 2020 4th for Mike Condon and a 2020 6th.
