Ottawa 67s 2024 25 Season Thread Part Iii

[mianjo]

67's down 7-1 late 3rd

Kingston with 4 pp goals

Goal
#10 Nic Whitehead (9) scores. Assists: #34 Filip Ekberg, #20 Luca Pinelli
2nd 17:00

 

[mianjo]

Final Kingston 7 67's 1

 

[OMG67]

There is something fishy about this Mews to Michigan deal that I never thought of. How can he be eligible to play for Michigan? He attended the Flames training camp last year and played an exhibition game vs the Oilers. In the past, his participation in training camp playing against other teams would make him ineligible to play NCAA. I can see them maybe give a pass to players that had done that prior to the rule change BUT, now that the rule has changed, can Mews actually attend the flames camp for longer than 48 hours AND play Rookie tourney games and exhibition games and remain eligible?

 

[AGranderson]

I have heard that rule isn’t a thing in that situation because the NCAA rule didn’t come out until this season

 

[OMG67]

I have heard that rule isn’t a thing in that situation because the NCAA rule didn’t come out until this season

But that would mean he’d have to skip the Flames camp this year, correct?

 

[beastintheeast]

But that would mean he’d have to skip the Flames camp this year, correct?

Not sure about that but looking at this rule leaves a question

College-bound student-athletes or college prospects may not enter into an oral or written agreement (including for future representation after exhausting NCAA eligibility) with an agent to identify or secure playing opportunities, or receive benefits (e.g., transportation, meals, loan) from an agent.
lat time I checked he had an agent did he not.

I am thinking Michigan was a red herring he will be back in Sudbury in October until he can be traded.

 

[OMG67]

Bumping this one up since it is the actual current thread. The other thread is from last year and is well over 1k posts and should be locked.

 

[ecraigs]

I see a lot of discussion about the player group and Uronen. Uronen is proof that young men can be assholes at times. Meh, so can I. He was "shushing" the crowd yesterday and I'm sure 99.9% had no idea why. I guess it meant something to him.

I'm a wait and see guy on next year's roster. After DC expended an enormous amount of high quality ice time on a player who couldn't play at the OHL level, I am doubting his judgment on who should be playing where.

My problem is the poor level of preparation that this team displays game in, game out. They lost a valuable point in Peterborough when Petes scored the winning goal with 6 seconds left. They lost another possible point on Sunday, when Uronen scored with 2.8 seconds left in OT. With a draw in your own end with a few seconds left, you aren't trying to set up a "Hail Mary" pass or play; you're trying to scramble the draw and run out the clock. Well, the good teams are.

 

[Larionov]

There's a fair chance that Uronen was a bit of a difficult personality, and that the club was happy to move him on and keep Korbler, a "good kid" who worked hard and never whined. The reality is, though, that talent wins games, and this team doesn't have nearly enough of it. Getting rid of an import player who is going to finish with 90 points to keep another one who had three points is management malpractice.

 

[OMG67]

There's a fair chance that Uronen was a bit of a difficult personality, and that the club was happy to move him on and keep Korbler, a "good kid" who worked hard and never whined. The reality is, though, that talent wins games, and this team doesn't have nearly enough of it. Getting rid of an import player who is going to finish with 90 points to keep another one who had three points is management malpractice.

We will never know exactly what happened. But, no matter the reason, none of them are good for Ottawa. If it were a situation where Uronen wanted out then thats a bad issue. If it was the 67’s evaluated the situation and decided Korbler was a better option, that is a bad reason. So, there is no winning answer to the conversation.

There is a bit of a stink attached to the organization right now. I may not be as focused on DC as Beast is. I think Boyd has some issues as well. I am not sure what the overall combo of blame is but I don’t have any issues with a poor team this year. It was expected. The issue relates to the path forward. When you look at Peterborough for example, you can see a focused rebuild. You know what they are doing. Total black and white. When you look at Ottawa, you see a black hole. All I see is an opportunity to maybe miss the playoffs, hopefully get a solid result int he draft lottery, and then build around the player they select early. If they make the playoffs and pick 7th, that pretty much eliminates that option entirely. They’ll get a good player but the likelihood of him being a super elite player diminishes. They likely would need to either take best available (winger) or dip deeper into the talent pool to pick a middle 1st round talent centre.

 

[beastintheeast]

We will never know exactly what happened. But, no matter the reason, none of them are good for Ottawa. If it were a situation where Uronen wanted out then thats a bad issue. If it was the 67’s evaluated the situation and decided Korbler was a better option, that is a bad reason. So, there is no winning answer to the conversation.

There is a bit of a stink attached to the organization right now. I may not be as focused on DC as Beast is. I think Boyd has some issues as well. I am not sure what the overall combo of blame is but I don’t have any issues with a poor team this year. It was expected. The issue relates to the path forward. When you look at Peterborough for example, you can see a focused rebuild. You know what they are doing. Total black and white. When you look at Ottawa, you see a black hole. All I see is an opportunity to maybe miss the playoffs, hopefully get a solid result int he draft lottery, and then build around the player they select early. If they make the playoffs and pick 7th, that pretty much eliminates that option entirely. They’ll get a good player but the likelihood of him being a super elite player diminishes. They likely would need to either take best available (winger) or dip deeper into the talent pool to pick a middle 1st round talent centre.

The NHL (not PA) is meeting with the CHL, USHL and NCAA reps. The idea is to figure out what they are going to do to make things even. Right now the NHL teams have 2 years to sign an OHL player, which made sense as after a kid is not longer OA what does he do? However, the USHL and NCAA side of things is 4 years. It will be interesting to see what happens, This is to set the standard going forward this year as many OA have been offer end NCAA scholarships.

The add to all this is that they do not want the CHL expanding at this time. The NHL feels that there needs to be a time to get thing sorted out and also protect the USHL I think.

Then there are the agents. Most kids at the top level in Jr A have agents. Especially ones thare drafted. The NCAA's current rule in ALL sports is that you can have an advisor but not an agent. The difference is that advisors can advise you what to do, but agents negotiate; therefore, that is a no-no.

NHL to meet with CHL, other junior leagues

Some big decisions on the future of junior hockey could be made soon.

www.sportsnet.ca

 

[beastintheeast]

Ottawa 67's mickey mouse team.

I think Goofy is running the team. and Wile E. is coaching. (see I am trying to add humour)

Uronen is gone and whether it was his choice or Goofy and Wile E it does not matter
Obviously, they decided to keep Korbler.

I am upset about this for a couple of reasons . Korbler is another example that Wile E has no idea how to coach offence, or Goofy drafted a dud and kept him to make the problem worse. Conmsider though that Wile E is the one that kept putting him on the top line and Ekberg on teh 4th line.

Now, we can say what we want about the draft, but the facts are that there is no top pick other than Esh or a defenceman that DC has developed. He had a first-round draft pick that he relegated to the third round . He had a high European that was rated before he came here and now may get drafted, but he may not because he was misused and not developed. Ekberg has 39 points. Imagine what he would have been like outside the first line after Christmas.

Goofy could not figure out how to trade anyone and got schooled by Pinelli and Mews. ( Imagine if Mews comes back next year what the Wolves will get)

Either Goofy can not draft and does not know what a center looks like (he drafted 2 early, and neither one is a center on the team), or Wile E cannot delete the players he got.
As @ScoutLife4 said, consider how many players he has elevated to being drafted by the NHL in the early rounds.

People haave said that he was selected as WJC coach. Looking at the people who have coached the team I am starting to believe that it may not have been he was so good but that he was the only one who wanted it. Yes, he won once, but there was a coach from the Q also behind that bench with him named Andre Tourigny, and the other 2 times, he got eliminated.


As much as people may think it is good to see next year's 3 OA get playing time, consider this: If we are rebuilding, then how do you justify not having a center on your team with more than one year of experience?

We are going to have to trade some of the 07 crop, but there is not a lot to trade.

I have been accused of having Mavetyitis. After Boyd was educated, I was there for the last part of the Mav era. If you ask @frontsfan67 it was not pretty. Bruce Cassidy got fired because Mav said he did not know how to coach. Dougie I will coach and GM but I am not gong to be in Kingston except for games and trained him.

They had first-round draft picks who would not report the first year so that they could develop in a different league and the kid would not be traded. Draft picks sat on the bench. Trades were made, and the goal of the team was make the playoffs every year even if it was 8th. My point is Goofylearned from Mavety. Goofy is running the team like Mavety did. The owner in Kingsto left Mav too do things and didn't care as long as he got the staus and saved on his business taxes.

 

[OMG67]

The NHL (not PA) is meeting with the CHL, USHL and NCAA reps. The idea is to figure out what they are going to do to make things even. Right now the NHL teams have 2 years to sign an OHL player, which made sense as after a kid is not longer OA what does he do? However, the USHL and NCAA side of things is 4 years. It will be interesting to see what happens, This is to set the standard going forward this year as many OA have been offer end NCAA scholarships.

The add to all this is that they do not want the CHL expanding at this time. The NHL feels that there needs to be a time to get thing sorted out and also protect the USHL I think.

Then there are the agents. Most kids at the top level in Jr A have agents. Especially ones thare drafted. The NCAA's current rule in ALL sports is that you can have an advisor but not an agent. The difference is that advisors can advise you what to do, but agents negotiate; therefore, that is a no-no.

NHL to meet with CHL, other junior leagues

Some big decisions on the future of junior hockey could be made soon.

www.sportsnet.ca

I understand that but it isn’t up to the NHL. These will be “discussions” not “directives.” Additionally, anything that changes will start from that point meaning players picked in the CHL in 2924 and probably 2025 will have their rights held for 2 years. These NHL will need to change that within their NHLPA agreement which is more likely to happen in the next new agreement.

This is not going to carnage overnight. There is a process that needs to take place. Even if the NHL and all of the junior leagues in North America can get on the same page, it doesn’t mean the NHL and NHLPA will get on the same page. It will be another bargaining chip and will be handled that way.

This will have zero effect on previous NHL picks. It may have an effect on picks this year but highly unlikely. It is more of something to keep an eye on, not something to factor into anything.

 

[ScoutLife4]

Uronen is as far from a problem child as you will get in JR hockey.
Anyone painting this picture is just doing so to try and save face for a poorly operating organization.

All these kids keep demanding out of Ottawa and it is not a coincidence.
They all have the same story after they leave that they didn't want to play for DC.
Stop trying to make the kids look bad to defend this clown.

P.S-I can also confirm a couple of your top OA candidates are opting to go to school over reporting to Ottawa next summer. It's going to be slim pickens for those OA slots.

 

[OMG67]

Uronen is as far from a problem child as you will get in JR hockey.
Anyone painting this picture is just doing so to try and save face for a poorly operating organization.

All these kids keep demanding out of Ottawa and it is not a coincidence.
They all have the same story after they leave that they didn't want to play for DC.
Stop trying to make the kids look bad to defend this clown.

P.S-I can also confirm a couple of your top OA candidates are opting to go to school over reporting to Ottawa next summer. It's going to be slim pickens for those OA slots.

We are all waiting to see what the organization does with respect to coaching and management. I think this horse has been beaten to death five times over.

I think the challenge really is the DC situation isn’t all bad. There seems to be two sides, the side that hates him and the side that loves him. Not much in between. When you have a player like Pinelli decide to stay instead of go to Barrie, clearly not all players hate DC. So, you end up on a situation where someone like Boyd can present that to OSEG as an argument to keep him.

There is so much swirling around right now. We need to get through the season and into the offseason. Let things settle down and then hopefully the adults in the room can make an informed decision.

The Uronen situation was mishandled. There is zero doubt about that. That’s just one example of many.

 

[Logosarejusttargets]

There's a fair chance that Uronen was a bit of a difficult personality, and that the club was happy to move him on and keep Korbler, a "good kid" who worked hard and never whined. The reality is, though, that talent wins games, and this team doesn't have nearly enough of it. Getting rid of an import player who is going to finish with 90 points to keep another one who had three points is management malpractice.

He isn't. His Fronts teammates love him, the billet family he is with have nothing but good things to say. Ottawa screwed up on this one, just take it for what it is and move on, stop knocking the kid personally. It's not like Ottawa has hit every move out of the park

 

[OMG67]

He isn't. His Fronts teammates love him, the billet family he is with have nothing but good things to say. Ottawa screwed up on this one, just take it for what it is and move on, stop knocking the kid personally. It's not like Ottawa has hit every move out of the park

Yes. I think the injury was the issue. Maybe DC liked Korbler for whatever reason. They liked the fact they could get Ekberg. The reality is this decision was a mistake on their part. It made ZERO sense to me at the time. This was a rebuilding year for Ottawa so we knew we’d get a top Import pick in the 2025 Import draft and the only way to use that pick is if we graduated an Import. That should have bene Uronen. Why keep Korbler if you are releasing him anyway so you can use the high Import pick? Nothing about this decision made any sense to me at all. This is why some are trying to suggest it was Uronen that wanted out and the 67’s accommodated. It is the one thing that makes sense. But, as you pointed to quite accurately, Ottawa does hit on all their moves. This is one of the moves that they fumbled with zero doubt.

 

[frontsfan67]

We are all waiting to see what the organization does with respect to coaching and management. I think this horse has been beaten to death five times over.

I think the challenge really is the DC situation isn’t all bad. There seems to be two sides, the side that hates him and the side that loves him. Not much in between. When you have a player like Pinelli decide to stay instead of go to Barrie, clearly not all players hate DC. So, you end up on a situation where someone like Boyd can present that to OSEG as an argument to keep him.

There is so much swirling around right now. We need to get through the season and into the offseason. Let things settle down and then hopefully the adults in the room can make an informed decision.

The Uronen situation was mishandled. There is zero doubt about that. That’s just one example of many.

Regarding pinelli I would certainly hope he loves Cameron after Cameron hand picked him to be on team Canada over players like Cristall, Misa, Sennecke, Greentree just to name a few.

Probably not the best example of a guy to use there.

 

[OMG67]

Regarding pinelli I would certainly hope he loves Cameron after Cameron hand picked him to be on team Canada over players like Cristall, Misa, Sennecke, Greentree just to name a few.

Probably not the best example of a guy to use there.

I think it is disingenuous to suggest Pinelli was hand picked. He is a premier player in the CHL. I think you could have pointed to at least four other forwards picked that deserved their spot less than Pinelli. The issue is/was most in the OHL don’t really have a strong sense of the other leagues and their players.

Additionally, you would also suggest that the coach decides on the roster in a vacuum/. If you know anything about Hockey Canada, you’d know that politics decide who makes that team far more than the head coach.

I have to be honest that I find it irritating to have to defend Pinelli’s inclusion on Team Canada. He is a proven premier goal scorer and his performance with Team Canada was above the average compared to others on that team. I will not argue that other players deserved consideration because they did but singling out Pinelli because Cameron was the coach is irritating. If Mann were the coach and Pinelli were on that team, we wouldn’t be talking about it at all just like the 4-5 other players below Pinelli that were included on that roster where we don’t hear any criticism of their inclusion.

 

[frontsfan67]

I think it is disingenuous to suggest Pinelli was hand picked. He is a premier player in the CHL. I think you could have pointed to at least four other forwards picked that deserved their spot less than Pinelli. The issue is/was most in the OHL don’t really have a strong sense of the other leagues and their players.

If it’s for defence. Why is he picked? If it’s for offence why is he picked over Cristall, Misa, Sennecke, Greentree.

Either way makes 0 sense besides Cameron coaching him in Ottawa.

Guys like Beaudoin/Gauthier for instance were picked because of their defensive abilities. Pinelli is in no man’s land where his defensive abilities aren’t great enough to be on the team and he doesn’t really elevate the players around him either.

Misa/Cristall for example make EVERYONE around them better. Sure Misa didn’t go to the U18’s, oh well. Cristall isn’t a super fast skater, oh well look at Tavares and the career he has carved out.

Point is if you’re taking the best players for offensive or defensive roles Pinelli NEVER made sense and NEVER will make sense. He’s one of the best goal scorers in the OHL. But is he Nick “70 Fkin goals” Lardis?

Even then if they want a goal scorer who can wheel. Lardis would’ve been a much better choice too! One of the best skaters in the whole CHL while doing things that haven’t been done since John Tavares almost 20 years ago.

Could go on all day but no point.

It’s the equivalent of Dale Hunter coaching team Canada and picking half of the team as Knights just because there’s a better sense of familiarity with them.

I have to be honest that I find it irritating to have to defend Pinelli’s inclusion on Team Canada.

Then just stop and admit there were far better choices that would’ve done far more with the same responsibilities.

If Mann were the coach

If Mann were the coach Pinelli wouldn’t be on the team! Same with any fronts this year. Mann has half of a brain unlike Cameron

 

[Rob]

Off topic. The USports Men's hockey championships are taking place at TD Place this week. Was there any advertising done during the 67's games for the tournament? Just curious.