Ottawa 67s 2024-25 Season Thread, Part II

[beastintheeast]

Pal something you say are so pathetic it’s unbelievable how much you don’t understand things some times, think before you type sometimes

Are we just going to talk about Cameron daily on here now because I’m out if so

Why do you attack people that do not agree with you? We all have our own thoughts that is part of wht makes these boards interesting.

As of right now, the decision on how this team processes who should be the next person to guide the team and its development the next four years is quite possibly the most important decision this franchise needs to land on going forward. It will impact development of existing players, recruitment of future players and above all the overall success on the ice.

At this stage and with the mixed match of players, I think the main and only topic is "What's to be done with Dave?"

He had two bad WJCs in a row. His team has no real scoring and tends not to develop players offensively.

He acquired and ofensive defenceman in Minty and tried to teach him how to be defensive.

We knew that a rebuild has been coming but to me the final straws were the layers that wanted out. The lack of player development Amidovski, Ekberg and Whitehead.

Then there was the WJC, where his style again proved that it was not right for the present Junior era. Lowest goal production in history I think.

Follow that up with players invoking NTC

All this adds up to a problem . Is it totally DC's fault? Probably not, but the common denominator in it all is DC.

Usualy we are on here talking about how this person will olook and the way they are developing is awesome.

I have not heard any of that on here. Mainly because we do not see players developing that we can say wow he is going to be awesome next year. Instead, we are hoping that Foster and Deve come back and that they find another goalie to back up a bad pairing

 

[ScoutLife4]

Pal something you say are so pathetic it’s unbelievable how much you don’t understand things some times, think before you type sometimes

Are we just going to talk about Cameron daily on here now because I’m out if so

What part don’t I understand?
I have sat around tables listening to NHL scouts trash DC for the past 3 weeks. (I’m not just making this up)
GMs have spoken publicly to the media criticizing him as well.

I won’t beat a dead horse on how bad of a job he did coaching Canada as everyone knows it already but was more so wondering what the feeling was in Ottawa on if he would be back or not.

 

[OMG67]

What part don’t I understand?
I have sat around tables listening to NHL scouts trash DC for the past 3 weeks. (I’m not just making this up)
GMs have spoken publicly to the media criticizing him as well.

I won’t beat a dead horse on how bad of a job he did coaching Canada as everyone knows it already but was more so wondering what the feeling was in Ottawa on if he would be back or not.

OSEG is not a typical “owner.” They rely on the hockey ops to make decisions. IMO, a lot of this will land on Boyd’s decision. If he says he wants him back, my sense is that they will bring him back.

I’m not sure how strong the front office is. Adrian Sciarra is the President of the 67’s and ResBlacks. I am not sure how involved he is the hockey side when it comes to hockey ops. This is why I think it would be more on Boyd to recommend paying out his contract and letting him go or extending him.

I don’t think OSEG would be heavy on Boyd to make a move, especially with how successful the team has been overall the last 6-7 seasons.

I think moving on from Cameron is the right move but Boyd and Cameron have such a good relationship and partnership that knowing the type of guy Boyd is, I doubt he would not show loyalty to Dave.

 

[sirius67fan]

Pal something you say are so pathetic it’s unbelievable how much you don’t understand things some times, think before you type sometimes

Are we just going to talk about Cameron daily on here now because I’m out if so

Well I for one want you to stick around as I enjoy your inputs and insights. However in our defence its difficult not to discuss DC as in the opinion of many he is the main issue right now especially in potential recruitment. And it's not like there is much to discuss about a team that's threading water right now with a murky direction.

 

[ecraigs]

I think moving on from Cameron is the right move but Boyd and Cameron have such a good relationship and partnership that knowing the type of guy Boyd is, I doubt he would not show loyalty to Dave.

Your point about the next cycle is well made. Right now, the core of the team for the next three years is pretty much set. Is DC the guy to turn that into a competitive team?

My problem with his hiring was that I thought it was a mistake for a few reasons, mostly because we should have been looking for a younger, more ambitious coach looking to build a team and his or her reputation.

Now is the time to fix that. If this post upsets anyone, then please scroll on by.

 

[Vector Calculus]

The team’s previous post said Nelson was starting but this shows Mac. Whitehead on the wing with Pinelli at centre doesn’t make much sense but I do hope the trio stays together today as it will give Whitehead a great opportunity with quality linemates. Looks like Ekberg is returning but being centred by Houben? Maybe the positions are all scrambled on this graphic.

 

[Vector Calculus]

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The team’s previous post said Nelson was starting but this shows Mac. Whitehead on the wing with Pinelli at centre doesn’t make much sense but I do hope the trio stays together today as it will give Whitehead a great opportunity with quality linemates. Looks like Ekberg is returning but being centred by Houben? Maybe the positions are all scrambled on this graphic.

Yup the official lineup card is bizarre. Does show Nelson starting though so that clears that up I guess

 

[mianjo]

67's 18 skaters

67's down 1-0 after 1 min. Nelson goal Mac on the bench

1-1
Goal
#20 Luca Pinelli (25) scores. Assists: #22 Matthew Mayich, #10 Nic WhiteheadPOWER PLAY
1st 7:56

 

[mianjo]

2-3 early 2nd

Goal
#20 Luca Pinelli (26) scores. Assists: #27 Nolan Jackson, #10 Nic Whitehead
2nd 2:42

 

[mianjo]

67's down 3-2 after 2

 

[Vector Calculus]

Pretty solid (and surprising) win. Pinelli was hot, it was great to see Whitehead get some more ice and respond with two goals, and fun for Souliere to get his first. Nelson was pretty good overall. Doesn’t help the quest for a lottery pick but mixing in a win here and there is fun as long as they fall to 9th.

 

[mianjo]

67's win 5-4


Goal
#10 Nic Whitehead (5) scores. Assists: #9 Chris Barlas, #5 Bradley Horner
3rd 1:14
+/-

Goal
#13 Matthew Souliere (1) scores. Assists: #8 Frankie Marrelli
3rd 5:47
+/-


Goal
#10 Nic Whitehead (6) scores. Assists: #8 Frankie Marrelli, #22 Matthew MayichGAME WINNING
3rd 16:52

Stars of the Game​

First
#10 Nic Whitehead C
G 2A 2+/- +2Ottawa

Third
#13 Matthew Souliere LW
G 1A 0+/- +1Ottawa

 

[gadder]

Nice to see a hard fought close game and we win - woohoo! (though I am hoping for a high pick). Souliere played very well -I hope he keeps it up. And who was that new big centre we've got - big mobile not-so-good on draws? Houben eh? Well done on him and well done on DC for giving him a chance. He looks good, for a young guy, and loads different from when he started.

 

[Fawlty]

Thrilled to finally see a win. Hopefully I haven't picked the wrong game to go to (going to tomorrow's match-up against Saginaw) lol. Happy for Whitehead and Souliere to get amongst the goals today.

 

[Larionov]

Well that doesn't help the tank. Seriously, I'm happy for the kids in the room - anyone who has played team sports knows just how miserable it is to be on a losing streak like that. I'm happy for them, especially with a tough matchup against Saginaw on tap today.

I stand accused of cherry picking facts in my defence of Dave Cameron. Maybe so, but those dog piling on him steadfastly refuse to acknowledge anything positive about his coaching career, which is patently ridiculous when you take an objective look at his record. He has to wear his fair share of the blame for the WJC debacle but ask yourself this - with the way he has been dragged, who the hell wants to take that job going forward? Dale Hunter has already said that he won't do it again. I'm sure that you'll find a young ambitious coach looking to make a name for himself, but good luck finding a veteran coach willing to do that job now. If you win it's because you had a loaded roster - if you lose you are the biggest donkey on the planet. Sounds fun!

I do think it's fair to ask if Cameron is willing to saddle up for another full cycle, but if he is I don't think it's fair to keep referencing his age. Has anyone seen that guy going for his runs along the Canal? He's in damn good shape for a dude in his late 60s. If you want him replaced, fair enough, but first you have to come up with a realistic list of names of guys who would a) take the job and b) not just be here as a halfway house for a season or two until they get an NHL job again...

 

[AGranderson]

Dever & Foster will both play again this season, likely helps Ottawa get that 8th playoff spot unfortunately, sounds like both could return Feb 5th or 7th

 

[OMG67]

Well that doesn't help the tank. Seriously, I'm happy for the kids in the room - anyone who has played team sports knows just how miserable it is to be on a losing streak like that. I'm happy for them, especially with a tough matchup against Saginaw on tap today.

I stand accused of cherry picking facts in my defence of Dave Cameron. Maybe so, but those dog piling on him steadfastly refuse to acknowledge anything positive about his coaching career, which is patently ridiculous when you take an objective look at his record. He has to wear his fair share of the blame for the WJC debacle but ask yourself this - with the way he has been dragged, who the hell wants to take that job going forward? Dale Hunter has already said that he won't do it again. I'm sure that you'll find a young ambitious coach looking to make a name for himself, but good luck finding a veteran coach willing to do that job now. If you win it's because you had a loaded roster - if you lose you are the biggest donkey on the planet. Sounds fun!

I do think it's fair to ask if Cameron is willing to saddle up for another full cycle, but if he is I don't think it's fair to keep referencing his age. Has anyone seen that guy going for his runs along the Canal? He's in damn good shape for a dude in his late 60s. If you want him replaced, fair enough, but first you have to come up with a realistic list of names of guys who would a) take the job and b) not just be here as a halfway house for a season or two until they get an NHL job again...

It isn’t about health. It is about his mindset and whether the “new” game has passed him by. Kilrea had a lot of the same issues. What used to work doesn’t work anymore on these kids.

I had the same issue in a previous field I worked in. It got to the point where I had zero clue how to relate and motivate young people because I couldn’t understand what motivated them.

Things and attitudes change over time and as we get older, our routines become obsolete. So the question of age with Cameron is whether at age 67 he wants to truly change himself and the way he approaches the game. Usually at that age, it doesn’t work all that well.

 

[sirius67fan]

Well that doesn't help the tank. Seriously, I'm happy for the kids in the room - anyone who has played team sports knows just how miserable it is to be on a losing streak like that. I'm happy for them, especially with a tough matchup against Saginaw on tap today.

I stand accused of cherry picking facts in my defence of Dave Cameron. Maybe so, but those dog piling on him steadfastly refuse to acknowledge anything positive about his coaching career, which is patently ridiculous when you take an objective look at his record. He has to wear his fair share of the blame for the WJC debacle but ask yourself this - with the way he has been dragged, who the hell wants to take that job going forward? Dale Hunter has already said that he won't do it again. I'm sure that you'll find a young ambitious coach looking to make a name for himself, but good luck finding a veteran coach willing to do that job now. If you win it's because you had a loaded roster - if you lose you are the biggest donkey on the planet. Sounds fun!

I do think it's fair to ask if Cameron is willing to saddle up for another full cycle, but if he is I don't think it's fair to keep referencing his age. Has anyone seen that guy going for his runs along the Canal? He's in damn good shape for a dude in his late 60s. If you want him replaced, fair enough, but first you have to come up with a realistic list of names of guys who would a) take the job and b) not just be here as a halfway house for a season or two until they get an NHL job again...

You make a lot of good points which are generally valid. It's just that some people tend to make extreme statements to further their point of view. The reality is it's rarely black and white. I've said many times I think DC is a good coach system wise and teaching wise. I also think we have had some good years with him. I wonder to this day if Boucher was healthy and Morrison was 100% if the Petes beat us? A coach can't control that. That being said good coaches do get fired, look at the NHL. The message gets stale and a new voice is needed sometimes. I think a lot of kids like playing for DC but the last few years it appears he's lost too many of them. Once that perception is there it's hard to change in the close knit hockey community. The world juniors only magnified it and I agree with you that Cameron took too much of the blame which should be shared with the whole management team. For the 67's however I think he needs to go...jmo.

 

[OMG67]

Dever & Foster will both play again this season, likely helps Ottawa get that 8th playoff spot unfortunately, sounds like both could return Feb 5th or 7th

I’d rather them play vs not play. No one should wish for injury to rig the standings.

I’m not sure what will end up happening on a lot of different fronts. How will expansion plans/rumours impact next season? How will the new NCAA rule affect next season? Will we have a new coaching staff?

The one thing we do have is a lot of ‘07 born players on the roster that need to get ample playing time as 18 year olds. I think there will be some very tough decisions made going into next season.

 

[OMG67]

You make a lot of good points which are generally valid. It's just that some people tend to make extreme statements to further their point of view. The reality is it's rarely black and white. I've said many times I think DC is a good coach system wise and teaching wise. I also think we have had some good years with him. I wonder to this day if Boucher was healthy and Morrison was 100% if the Petes beat us? A coach can't control that. That being said good coaches do get fired, look at the NHL. The message gets stale and a new voice is needed sometimes. I think a lot of kids like playing for DC but the last few years it appears he's lost too many of them. Once that perception is there it's hard to change in the close knit hockey community. The world juniors only magnified it and I agree with you that Cameron took too much of the blame which should be shared with the whole management team. For the 67's however I think he needs to go...jmo.

I like how you presented this. “The WJC magnified it.” Very astute way to make that point. I believe that to be the case. As I had mentioned (less effectively) that a lot of the things DC has been dragged over the coals for translate to issues we see with the 67s.

Politically, in such a huge offseason coming with the new NCAA rules change, IMO it comes down to whether DC negatively affects our ability to recruit tougher to sign players or not. I am making an assumption that he is but I don’t know that as fact. I could be wrong. If I am wrong, then there is no reason to replace Cameron. Maybe it would be a preference but not a requirement.

This is all a part of the speculation. If Boyd signs Krawchuk, Vandenberg, and two players currently in the USNTDP, then there isn’t really a problem. If we sign none of them then clearly there is an issue. We will know at some point.

 

[OnlyUpFromHere]

Maybe 67’s brass didn’t trade Pinelli cause they knew they needed bodies to fill the lineup with all these injuries!

 

[frontsfan67]

Pal something you say are so pathetic it’s unbelievable how much you don’t understand things some times, think before you type sometimes

Are we just going to talk about Cameron daily on here now because I’m out if so

Dave is this your burner? Great performance at the WJC by the way! Loved how you put bonk as the powerplay QB that really worked out well!

 

[frontsfan67]

Well that doesn't help the tank. Seriously, I'm happy for the kids in the room - anyone who has played team sports knows just how miserable it is to be on a losing streak like that. I'm happy for them, especially with a tough matchup against Saginaw on tap today.

I stand accused of cherry picking facts in my defence of Dave Cameron. Maybe so, but those dog piling on him steadfastly refuse to acknowledge anything positive about his coaching career, which is patently ridiculous when you take an objective look at his record. He has to wear his fair share of the blame for the WJC debacle but ask yourself this - with the way he has been dragged, who the hell wants to take that job going forward? Dale Hunter has already said that he won't do it again. I'm sure that you'll find a young ambitious coach looking to make a name for himself, but good luck finding a veteran coach willing to do that job now. If you win it's because you had a loaded roster - if you lose you are the biggest donkey on the planet. Sounds fun!

I do think it's fair to ask if Cameron is willing to saddle up for another full cycle, but if he is I don't think it's fair to keep referencing his age. Has anyone seen that guy going for his runs along the Canal? He's in damn good shape for a dude in his late 60s. If you want him replaced, fair enough, but first you have to come up with a realistic list of names of guys who would a) take the job and b) not just be here as a halfway house for a season or two until they get an NHL job again...

I don’t think many coaches want the responsibility of coaching Canada really. They know if they lose they’ll get blasted for it as the past 2 coaches have. Seems like it would be very stressful.

However…. Cameron’s this year is 100% justified lots of very mind boggling decisions with poor outcomes.

Troy Mann the fronts coach I could see trying to take the reins next year with a couple qmjhl and couple WHL coaches. Why Mann? He wants to get back into the AHL at some point or land an NHL job. Their team next year is returning tons of stars including both their star goalies, Mckenna who may be the best one at the tournament next year, Schaefer COULD be back, same with martone, Dickinson, Luchanko, Beaudoin, catton and then guys like Parekh, Misa, Sennecke, Roobroeck, McQueen, Lindstrom, Desnoyers, Verhoeff etc could be on the team. This years team should’ve been very good. Next years- if it isn’t then hockey Canada needs to fire EVERYONE.

The reason why Dale hunter doesn't want to do it probably is because he’s got a good thing going in London- chasing a bunch of records in the chl and is arguably the best coach of all time at the junior level and has nothing to prove and everything to lose taking on the head coaching job of the Canadian team.

 

[AGranderson]

I don’t think many coaches want the responsibility of coaching Canada really. They know if they lose they’ll get blasted for it as the past 2 coaches have. Seems like it would be very stressful.

However…. Cameron’s this year is 100% justified lots of very mind boggling decisions with poor outcomes.

Troy Mann the fronts coach I could see trying to take the reins next year with a couple qmjhl and couple WHL coaches. Why Mann? He wants to get back into the AHL at some point or land an NHL job. Their team next year is returning tons of stars including both their star goalies, Mckenna who may be the best one at the tournament next year, Schaefer COULD be back, same with martone, Dickinson, Luchanko, Beaudoin, catton and then guys like Parekh, Misa, Sennecke, Roobroeck, McQueen, Lindstrom, Desnoyers, Verhoeff etc could be on the team. This years team should’ve been very good. Next years- if it isn’t then hockey Canada needs to fire EVERYONE.

The reason why Dale hunter doesn't want to do it probably is because he’s got a good thing going in London- chasing a bunch of records in the chl and is arguably the best coach of all time at the junior level and has nothing to prove and everything to lose taking on the head coaching job of the Canadian team.

Mann is likely to be out of Kingston next year, he’s not liked by players at all