Ottawa 67s 2024-25 Season Thread, Part II

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My wishes for the deadline
1- trade Pinelli for a good return, 08 +picks, 07+picks
2-get a decent return for one of our OA's
3- keep Mews unless we get a stupid offer including a good young D coming back
4-keep Foster/Dever as they'll have good value next year
5-if able trade Barlas/Horner even if we don't get much to open icetime for the young guys
6- trade Korbler if any takers??
Note: I see Foster/Dever and an acquired D as our OA's for next year
 

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My wishes for the deadline
1- trade Pinelli for a good return, 08 +picks, 07+picks
2-get a decent return for one of our OA's
3- keep Mews unless we get a stupid offer including a good young D coming back
4-keep Foster/Dever as they'll have good value next year
5-if able trade Barlas/Horner even if we don't get much to open icetime for the young guys
6- trade Korbler if any takers??
Note: I see Foster/Dever and an acquired D as our OA's for next year

Not a bad wish list.

The only issue with moving both Barlas and Horner is lack of bodies. I don’t think they want to pull up Perrier and Kingwell. I think they’d prefer to keep them in the CCHL. Horner is a decent 7th D-Man in a pinch. We don’t have anyone else signed other than Bonomo and he is in same boat as Perrier and Kingwell. Stay in Tier II.

Trading Pinelli gets us down to 13 forwards. Assuming a forward comes back that brings us back up to 14. But, we need to move an OA. Seems Mayich is most likely. Maybe a body comes back? Maybe not.

Even if Pinelli and Mayich move out and we bring a body back for each, that still only gives us 20 skaters. Move out Barlas and Horner and we are at 18 skaters. Any injuries require us to activate affiliate players.

Korbler is worthless on the trade market. We need RW so moving him at this point is not ideal regardless of his lack of offence. That Uronen trade keeps looking worse and worse as the season progresses….
 
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Well the next few days should be interesting for the poles. I know we've been talking about getting an 08 as part of the return for Pinelli but with Vaughan off the table I wonder if they should target an 07 as we do have a hole there ( Brusk defected). That would support our decent 07 ( Ekberg, Nelson, Dietsch, Whitehead, Yanni) and have a good 19 y.o. cohort ahead of 18y.o. Esh and Amidovsky??.
I agree with Dever and Foster with an acquired Dman as OA’s next year unless there’s an offer that blows you away.

You can’t afford to lose Mews after the year for nothing. If there isn’t a commitment to come back, you have to move he and Pinelli for a max return.

I’d love for their draft pick bank grow by at least seven more second and third rounders.

I’d like to see Kingwell finish the season with the team. He looks good in limited views and he needs to get acclimatized to the O as a 17 year old.
 
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I agree with Dever and Foster with an acquired Dman as OA’s next year unless there’s an offer that blows you away.

You can’t afford to lose Mews after the year for nothing. If there isn’t a commitment to come back, you have to move he and Pinelli for a max return.

I’d love for their draft pick bank grow by at least seven more second and third rounders.

I’d like to see Kingwell finish the season with the team. He looks good in limited views and he needs to get acclimatized to the O as a 17 year old.
Yes if they risk losing Mews as rumoured to ncaa yes trade him but otherwise I'd wait till next year.

Not a bad wish list.

The only issue with moving both Barlas and Horner is lack of bodies. I don’t think they want to pull up Perrier and Kingwell. I think they’d prefer to keep them in the CCHL. Horner is a decent 7th D-Man in a pinch. We don’t have anyone else signed other than Bonomo and he is in same boat as Perrier and Kingwell. Stay in Tier II.

Trading Pinelli gets us down to 13 forwards. Assuming a forward comes back that brings us back up to 14. But, we need to move an OA. Seems Mayich is most likely. Maybe a body comes back? Maybe not.

Even if Pinelli and Mayich move out and we bring a body back for each, that still only gives us 20 skaters. Move out Barlas and Horner and we are at 18 skaters. Any injuries require us to activate affiliate players.

Korbler is worthless on the trade market. We need RW so moving him at this point is not ideal regardless of his lack of offence. That Uronen trade keeps looking worse and worse as the season progresses….
Yeah I do realize you can't trade all of them but trading one of Barlas/ Horner/Korbler would be ok imo. If we can get a mid round pick why not.
 

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Yes if they risk losing Mews as rumoured to ncaa yes trade him but otherwise I'd wait till next year.


Yeah I do realize you can't trade all of them but trading one of Barlas/ Horner/Korbler would be ok imo. If we can get a mid round pick why not.
I hope if any of these 3 it is Korbler that goes. He contributes nothing to the team when on the ice. Barlas can chip in a little and Horner is a useful backup D or can play a forward position.

Should be interesting to see the team roster come Friday afternoon.
 

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Well if it is based on performance Korbler should be back in Davos.

Korbler fills a role. He plays solid defence. I have no issues with that. We need penalty killers and Right Wingers. My only issue with Korbler is that we moved Uronen to make room for him. That isn’t on the player. That is on the GM for a poor strategic decision, especially since we get a high Import pick this year to replace him.

I don’t want to seem like I am piling on the kid. It really isn’t about him personally. DC loves the kid for a good reason. I am not exactly sure what that is but I trust it is the case. If his offensive production doesn’t improve, he will be replaced just like nay other player year over year.

I don’t think we currently have the luxury to remove players right now. If trades for exiting players net additional skaters then we can reassess. But, carrying 20 skaters is pretty much the bare minimum, unless we want to continually rely on injury replacement affiliate players. Not ideal.
 

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Korbler fills a role. He plays solid defence. I have no issues with that. We need penalty killers and Right Wingers. My only issue with Korbler is that we moved Uronen to make room for him. That isn’t on the player. That is on the GM for a poor strategic decision, especially since we get a high Import pick this year to replace him.
His stats show that he had a breakout offensive year just before the draft, with 52 points in 40 some games. That was with a U17 team and perhaps the 67s thought that he would grow into the OHL. If he were just a strong checker, then why is he often on a line with Ottawa's top offensive scorers?

I think that Uronen wanted out and 67s mgt didn't want to lose both imports so quickly.
 

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His stats show that he had a breakout offensive year just before the draft, with 52 points in 40 some games. That was with a U17 team and perhaps the 67s thought that he would grow into the OHL. If he were just a strong checker, then why is he often on a line with Ottawa's top offensive scorers?

I think that Uronen wanted out and 67s mgt didn't want to lose both imports so quickly.
From what I've heard around the rink here in Kingston is that Uronen didn't like Cameron's defensive game and he wanted to play in an offensive minded system, which Troy Mann's definitely is. So yes, Uronen did want out which explains the Korbler > Uronen decision.
 

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I tend to agree. I do not see Jan giving up on Uronen. More Uronen looking at the team and saying no thanks. Then finding out the pienimi would play in Kingston added to it.

Let's face it—we are in downtime. However, we will need players like Barlas and either Dever or Foster on the team next year.

I seem to remember that a lot of people were down on Tolnai and then his last year he stepped up as the leader on the team

The challenge has not been the players as much as the GM drafting them and the scouting hyping them. Instead of looking at what a player can do in the OHL, they need to start looking for players with NHL AHL potential talent and size.

We need to cultivate players who will be CCHL GOJHL players on 25/26 and get them with teams that can develop them. We should be replacing 3-5 players a year.

DC is not a Kilrea or a Tourigny he can not get more out of his players. That is not a bad thing or a good thing it is what it is.

That said, these players seem to be learning the defensive part of the game. My concern is whether they are also going to learn the offensive side.

Korbler is on the team because he is not a liability and is a DC boy, it seems.

If the rumours are true and Vaughn did not want to come here, we have to ask why. Why NB and not here?
 

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I tend to agree. I do not see Jan giving up on Uronen. More Uronen looking at the team and saying no thanks. Then finding out the pienimi would play in Kingston added to it.

Let's face it—we are in downtime. However, we will need players like Barlas and either Dever or Foster on the team next year.

I seem to remember that a lot of people were down on Tolnai and then his last year he stepped up as the leader on the team

The challenge has not been the players as much as the GM drafting them and the scouting hyping them. Instead of looking at what a player can do in the OHL, they need to start looking for players with NHL AHL potential talent and size.

We need to cultivate players who will be CCHL GOJHL players on 25/26 and get them with teams that can develop them. We should be replacing 3-5 players a year.

DC is not a Kilrea or a Tourigny he can not get more out of his players. That is not a bad thing or a good thing it is what it is.

That said, these players seem to be learning the defensive part of the game. My concern is whether they are also going to learn the offensive side.

Korbler is on the team because he is not a liability and is a DC boy, it seems.

If the rumours are true and Vaughn did not want to come here, we have to ask why. Why NB and not here?
Pinelli for Vaughn was never an option, they got two very good players for Vaughn & a throw in, they weren’t getting two players of the calibre they got from Ottawa ever
 
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Pinelli for Vaughn was never an option, they got two very good players for Vaughn & a throw in, they weren’t getting two players of the calibre they got from Ottawa ever

Re-uniting the 2023-24 top line of the battalion was a no-brainer even though it might be a while before Romani gets up to speed and comfortable in the colts’ system. One line at least, is set. Trades can be really easy when both sides are reasonable.

Straight up, I think Pinelli for Vaughn was an option.
Even with 1.5 years of Romani, the colts as a cohesive unit were better off upgrading with a top line LW only; and keeping Wigle. Wigle has played in four seasons for Williamson because he can.
I think it could have been a very easy transaction made complicated by the ‘67s.
 

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Re-uniting the 2023-24 top line of the battalion was a no-brainer even though it might be a while before Romani gets up to speed and comfortable in the colts’ system. One line at least, is set. Trades can be really easy when both sides are reasonable.

Straight up, I think Pinelli for Vaughn was an option.
Even with 1.5 years of Romani, the colts as a cohesive unit were better off upgrading with a top line LW only; and keeping Wigle. Wigle has played in four seasons for Williamson because he can.
I think it could have been a very easy transaction made complicated by the ‘67s.
Pinelli for Vaughn straight up was never an option I can confirm that,
 
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Two things on my mind since Canada's run at the the World Juniors ended:

- Do we think a younger player will waive their NTC/NMC to complete a trade to the 67s? In my humble opinion, Cameron did an absolutely horrendous job coaching the Canadian junior team. Honestly, he should be embarrassed. Completely out-of-touch with how high-level hockey is played now. I think it will be difficult for Boyd (or the GM of the trade partner) to convince younger, high-profile players to come to Ottawa as part of a trade.

- What is the consensus on Pinelli returning to the OHL (Ottawa or otherwise) next season?
 
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Two things on my mind since Canada's run at the the World Juniors ended:

- Do we think a younger player will waive their NTC/NMC to complete a trade to the 67s? In my humble opinion, Cameron did an absolutely horrendous job coaching the Canadian junior team. Honestly, he should be embarrassed. Completely out-of-touch with how high-level hockey is played now. I think it will be difficult for Boyd (or the GM of the trade partner) to convince younger, high-profile players to come to Ottawa as part of a trade.

- What is the consensus on Pinelli returning to the OHL (Ottawa or otherwise) next season?
I was wondering the same thing regarding young players’ desire to play under Cameron after the tournament. I also wonder if this affects their own high end draft picks currently playing at the NTDP or the USHL.

Norm Milley did an awesome job with a limited roster, exclusively on the road in his absence.

It would very, very surprising to see Pinelli back next year. He’s a signed player to Columbus and has gotten better and better the last couple years. 98% certainty or higher that he’s a pro next year.
 

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I was wondering the same thing regarding young players’ desire to play under Cameron after the tournament. I also wonder if this affects their own high end draft picks currently playing at the NTDP or the USHL.

Norm Milley did an awesome job with a limited roster, exclusively on the road in his absence.

It would very, very surprising to see Pinelli back next year. He’s a signed player to Columbus and has gotten better and better the last couple years. 98% certainty or higher that he’s a pro next year.

You're right, I had forgotten he had already signed with Columbus. I thought he acquitted himself very well at the world juniors, despite many people in the media on on here calling him a coach's pick, not worthy of being on the team, or not worthy of being on Catton/McKenna's line. Maybe he was a coach's pick, I don't really know, but Pinelli wasn't one of Canada's problems in that tournament, particularly as he generally played ~10-11 minutes/game and got no PP time.

It'll be interesting to see how he adapts at the pro level as a winger; while he played well at the world juniors and was generally able to get to the middle of the ice, there were times when his size and strength were outmatched by bigger and stronger d-men as the tournament progressed.
 

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Dave Cameron:

We’ve had a lot of discussions regarding Dave. He is a steady coach with a long track record. I consider him one of those UBER SAFE coaches. You cannot point at Dave Cameron as a coach and suggest that he is a bad coach. He’s not. No matter what happened at the WJHC with Team Canada, you cannot point at his career and define it based on one Tournament when he recently won a Gold Medal with Team Canada a few years ago. He has a Gold and Silver as Head Coach with a 5th place finish this past tournament. There will always be those, ”what have you done for me lately” types that will crawl out and point but overall, Dave Cameron has had a pretty solid Coaching Career.

The question is whether that career is trending toward being over or not. He is 66 years old. He will enter next year as a 67 year old Major Junior Coach with zero prospects of being back in the NHL. There is nothing left for him to prove. He will be coaching a rebuilding team. IT will likely take at least three more seasons before the 67’s will be in the Contender category again. He will be 70.

The question really is whether his heart is in it anymore and whether the 67’s organization wants to run out another cycle with Dave as the Head Coach. Additionally, James Boyd is married to his decisions. If James Boyd has aspirations of moving up from the OHL ranks into pro hockey and eventually the NHL, does he want to hitch his wagon to an aging coach that is perceived as being behind the times?

Norm Milley has served a long tenure with the 67’s. By all accounts he is a capable Major Junior coach that will get an opportunity to be a Head coach in this league sooner or later. He had a great OHL career as a player scoring 50 goals twice and followed that up with a long minor pro career. When organizations invest a lot of time developing coaches, you don’t want them to move on to other franchises. At some point you need to elevate them when they prove capable. If the enter another cycle with Dave, it likely means Norm will not be there at the end of that cycle. When Dave is done, there will be no coaches that have tenure in the organization to carry on any tradition/culture. That is not a great situation to be in. We’d likely need to replace Dave and the entire coaching staff in 3-4 years.

I think the time has come for the 67’s organization to show some maturity and not simply fall into the safety net of keeping this Boyd/Cameron combo together because they could not be bothered to do the work to ensure this is the right path. I think they need to sit back and do a proper analysis on the organization and really put forth an effort at choosing their path going forward. This decision regarding the GM and coach is important because the team really is at a crossroads. Multiple players requesting to leave is concerning. That needs to be addressed by Senior Management. If they are unable to sign any of the NCAA bound players they have drafted while the rest of the league continues to add them, that also needs to be addressed.

I think there are a lot of leading indicators out there now to properly make a decision.
 
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Dave Cameron:

We’ve had a lot of discussions regarding Dave. He is a steady coach with a long track record. I consider him one of those UBER SAFE coaches. You cannot point at Dave Cameron as a coach and suggest that he is a bad coach. He’s not. No matter what happened at the WJHC with Team Canada, you cannot point at his career and define it based on one Tournament when he recently won a Gold Medal with Team Canada a few years ago. He has a Gold and Silver as Head Coach with a 5th place finish this past tournament. There will always be those, ”what have you done for me lately” types that will crawl out and point but overall, Dave Cameron has had a pretty solid Coaching Career.

The question is whether that career is trending toward being over or not. He is 66 years old. He will enter next year as a 67 year old Major Junior Coach with zero prospects of being back in the NHL. There is nothing left for him to prove. He will be coaching a rebuilding team. IT will likely take at least three more seasons before the 67’s will be in the Contender category again. He will be 70.

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I generally agree, although I would point out that his WJHC Gold came courtesy Mason McTavish who pulled a sure goal out of the air in OT of the final game. His Silver came after his team blew a two goal lead in the third period to the Russians. The Canadian fans present were yelling for him to call a timeout when his team was clearly in need of a breather. but Dave don't do that.

My issue with Dave is that he will not adjust and he has the old school approach to young players. He had the WHL leading scorer on his WJHC team, but pushed him down the roster. With Pinelli and Catton, McKenna still generated offence on a brutal team. Shot efficiency of 6%, good for last and just one player with more than a single goal. I think he selected the players that would play his structure, rather than adapting his structure to the best talent available.

Back when he arrived to join his old co-coach from St Mike's, I had been hoping for fresh blood and someone more ambitious. One defected player, plus a number of trade requests later, we are facing years more to get back to contention. Players don't seem to want to come here and there must be a reason.
 
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Dave Cameron:

We’ve had a lot of discussions regarding Dave. He is a steady coach with a long track record. I consider him one of those UBER SAFE coaches. You cannot point at Dave Cameron as a coach and suggest that he is a bad coach. He’s not. No matter what happened at the WJHC with Team Canada, you cannot point at his career and define it based on one Tournament when he recently won a Gold Medal with Team Canada a few years ago. He has a Gold and Silver as Head Coach with a 5th place finish this past tournament. There will always be those, ”what have you done for me lately” types that will crawl out and point but overall, Dave Cameron has had a pretty solid Coaching Career.

The question is whether that career is trending toward being over or not. He is 66 years old. He will enter next year as a 67 year old Major Junior Coach with zero prospects of being back in the NHL. There is nothing left for him to prove. He will be coaching a rebuilding team. IT will likely take at least three more seasons before the 67’s will be in the Contender category again. He will be 70.

The question really is whether his heart is in it anymore and whether the 67’s organization wants to run out another cycle with Dave as the Head Coach. Additionally, James Boyd is married to his decisions. If James Boyd has aspirations of moving up from the OHL ranks into pro hockey and eventually the NHL, does he want to hitch his wagon to an aging coach that is perceived as being behind the times?

Norm Milley has served a long tenure with the 67’s. By all accounts he is a capable Major Junior coach that will get an opportunity to be a Head coach in this league sooner or later. He had a great OHL career as a player scoring 50 goals twice and followed that up with a long minor pro career. When organizations invest a lot of time developing coaches, you don’t want them to move on to other franchises. At some point you need to elevate them when they prove capable. If the enter another cycle with Dave, it likely means Norm will not be there at the end of that cycle. When Dave is done, there will be no coaches that have tenure in the organization to carry on any tradition/culture. That is not a great situation to be in. We’d likely need to replace Dave and the entire coaching staff in 3-4 years.

I think the time has come for the 67’s organization to show some maturity and not simply fall into the safety net of keeping this Boyd/Cameron combo together because they could not be bothered to do the work to ensure this is the right path. I think they need to sit back and do a proper analysis on the organization and really put forth an effort at choosing their path going forward. This decision regarding the GM and coach is important because the team really is at a crossroads. Multiple players requesting to leave is concerning. That needs to be addressed by Senior Management. If they are unable to sign any of the NCAA bound players they have drafted while the rest of the league continues to add them, that also needs to be addressed.

I think there are a lot of leading indicators out there now to properly make a decision.

Your last four paragraphs are certainly indisputable and I'd like nothing more than for the 67s to turn the page on the Cameron era, but the immediate point I was originally trying to make is whether a 16/17-year teenager, presumably a high-first round draft pick, that is asked by his GM to waive his NMC for a trade to Ottawa will look at the 67s with Dave Cameron at the helm and say "yes, that is a place I'm willing to go to". This is only speculation, but I think there is a massive issue there. And I don't think Cameron's long and reasonably solid coaching career really matters in this case.

We've talked at length about the players wanting out of Ottawa over the past few seasons, both rumoured and actualized, for a variety of reasons. I don't think we need to rehash any of that, but the long and short of it is that it's not a good look.

16/17-year olds will look at Henry Mews and see a dynamic young player that was at one time viewed as a 1st round draft prospect, falling all the way to the 3rd round and now (apparently) getting offers to go to the NCAA.

Cameron failed to adapt his game-plan or (imho) properly utilize Pavel Mintyukov, now an NHL regular (after Boyd spent a boatload of draft picks acquiring him), during his time in Ottawa in a winnable playoff series against Peterborough in 2023.

The World Junior team was completely shambolic. I don't know how much input Cameron had on the team construction, but presumably he had some degree of input on who was invited to camp and ultimately selected to the team, and presumably he provided significant input into the process of the style of game he wanted to play and the type of player he wanted to do it with.

The top-6/bottom-6 roster construction style doesn't work. It hasn't worked since the 1990s when Canada had a significant size and skill advantage over every other country besides the Soviets/Russians, and the Swedes and Americans (sometimes, but not every year). The tournament is won and lost now based on overwhelming skill and talent and being able to form chemistry over a short period. Canada needed OT to win gold a few years with a team stocked full of NHL contributors like Bedard, Wright, Stankoven, Guenther, and Clarke!

1. The selection process has been discussed to death, but leaving Misa, Yakemchuk, Sennecke, Lardis, Greentree, Parekh, Cristall, etc, etc. either at home or cutting them from camp was completely out of touch with the way the tournament is played now. Bring them in, and give them a look at camp at the very least!

2. Too many redundant players were selected who didn't really offer anything different or unique - Howe, Gauthier, Cataford at F...Mynio, Price, Akey on D. All similar players with no standout traits (though I thought Price ended up looking pretty good).

3. Unwillingness or inability to enforce team discipline. Most coaches would sit Pinelli's ass for a period or even a game as a result of some really mindless penalties in the U.S. Accountability, responsibility. It just wasn't there. Players probably felt like they could do anything. Just using Pinelli as an example. Cowan and Rehkhopf also took some really dumb penalties in that game.

4. Tactically, Canada played a dump-and-chase style of game with a fairly passive forecheck as far as I could tell. Win a board battle, kick it back to the high man or d-man for a perimeter shot with no traffic in front. A few problems: (1) aside from Beaudoin, Canada didn't really have any crashers and bangers that could actually win board battles; I thought that was the job of Howe, Cataford and Gauthier, but they were all ineffective. Where is the size and ability to play and mean game and win board battles? (2) that style of play isn't really appealing, nor is it successful in winning hockey games...particularly when you have little size in the forward group and your best shooters were left at home or sitting in the pressbox

5. As a result of the poor roster selection, players like Ritchie, Nadeau and Cowan were playing a line higher in the lineup than they probably should have. Ritchie was fine, but him and Cowan were a poor fit together (and Cowan was a very poor fit on PP1) and Cameron never separated them. Cowan led the forwards in ice time despite being largely ineffective and making poor decisions with the puck (and taking a really stupid penalty vs. the U.S.). Not so say Cowan shouldn't have made the team...but middle-6 RW would have been a better fit for him.

6. The Canadian team apparently didn't practice after Dec 27th, which is completely outrageous, particularly considering the team showing no chemistry or ability to generate offense consistently aside from 1-on-1 rushes or the odd Catton/McKenna play. Passes not hitting the tape, not knowing where your linemate is or going to, passes in front or behind linemates...all symptomatic of poor chemistry that needs to get developed on the ice at practice.

7. Cameron formed some honestly really dumb line combo's and special teams units. The PK was bad, a hallmark of recent Cameron-coached teams. Bonk at PP QB was stupid, as Bonk doesn't QB London's PP...so why would Cameron think he could QB a PP at the international level? Even Bonk himself was questioning it. Not trying Rekhopf with Martone, or Martone with McKenna. I would say that Martone played a fairly passive game early in the tournament and sat in the pressbox as a result, but why wasn't he given a look with Rehkopf earlier in the pre-tournament games? Why didn't Rekhopf dress towards the end of the tournament when he's one of our best shooters and really the only forward consistently getting in hard on the forecheck and hitting people?

8. Despite Catton-McKenna-Pinelli generating the most chances offensively, in general, Cameron played them as a 3rd line for most of the tournament (in terms of minutes) and had Catton/McKenna on the 2nd PP unit. McKenna moved up to the Ritchie line mid-way through the Czech game, but as usual with Cameron it was too little, too late.

George saved Canada's ass from an even worse and more embarrassing outcome. I've watched this tournament most years since 1991, and I can count on one hand the number of teams as bad or worse than this year's. 1992, 1998 (when they infamously lost to Kazakhstan), 2013 (4th in a lockout year with everyone available), and 2016 (when they got pumped by Finland in the QF).

Cameron just doesn't have the coaching chops to win a tournament like this and it was laid bare for all to see last week. He dropped the ball in 2011, failing to adapt in the 3rd period when Russia stormed back and won the gold medal game after being down 3-0. Yes, he won gold in 2022, but that was with a loaded team even he couldn't f*** up with McTavish, Bedard, Zellweger, Johnson, etc. and even then he needed a miraculous play by McTavish on the goal line to save the game and then an OT goal by Johnson.

So yeah, if I'm a 16/17-year old first rounder, and being asked to waive a NMC to come to this mess under Cameron with it being so fresh in the mind, it'd be a big "nope" from me.
 
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You cannot blame Dave Cameron for being Dave Cameron. He is not the right fit for Team Canada. Those that select the Coaching staff should have known that. By extension, those that are in charge of the 67’s should also know that if you sign Dave Cameron to a contract extension, you are going to get Dave Cameron and everything that comes with him…. Good and bad.
 
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Your last four paragraphs are certainly indisputable and I'd like nothing more than for the 67s to turn the page on the Cameron era, but the immediate point I was originally trying to make is whether a 16/17-year teenager, presumably a high-first round draft pick, that is asked by his GM to waive his NMC for a trade to Ottawa will look at the 67s with Dave Cameron at the helm and say "yes, that is a place I'm willing to go to". This is only speculation, but I think there is a massive issue there. And I don't think Cameron's long and reasonably solid coaching career really matters in this case.

We've talked at length about the players wanting out of Ottawa over the past few seasons, both rumoured and actualized, for a variety of reasons. I don't think we need to rehash any of that, but the long and short of it is that it's not a good look.

16/17-year olds will look at Henry Mews and see a dynamic young player that was at one time viewed as a 1st round draft prospect, falling all the way to the 3rd round and now (apparently) getting offers to go to the NCAA.

Cameron failed to adapt his game-plan or (imho) properly utilize Pavel Mintyukov, now an NHL regular (after Boyd spent a boatload of draft picks acquiring him), during his time in Ottawa in a winnable playoff series against Peterborough in 2023.

The World Junior team was completely shambolic. I don't know how much input Cameron had on the team construction, but presumably he had some degree of input on who was invited to camp and ultimately selected to the team, and presumably he provided significant input into the process of the style of game he wanted to play and the type of player he wanted to do it with.

The top-6/bottom-6 roster construction style doesn't work. It hasn't worked since the 1990s when Canada had a significant size and skill advantage over every other country besides the Soviets/Russians, and the Swedes and Americans (sometimes, but not every year). The tournament is won and lost now based on overwhelming skill and talent and being able to form chemistry over a short period. Canada needed OT to win gold a few years with a team stocked full of NHL contributors like Bedard, Wright, Stankoven, Guenther, and Clarke!

1. The selection process has been discussed to death, but leaving Misa, Yakemchuk, Sennecke, Lardis, Greentree, Parekh, Cristall, etc, etc. either at home or cutting them from camp was completely out of touch with the way the tournament is played now. Bring them in, and give them a look at camp at the very least!

2. Too many redundant players were selected who didn't really offer anything different or unique - Howe, Gauthier, Cataford at F...Mynio, Price, Akey on D. All similar players with no standout traits (though I thought Price ended up looking pretty good).

3. Unwillingness or inability to enforce team discipline. Most coaches would sit Pinelli's ass for a period or even a game as a result of some really mindless penalties in the U.S. Accountability, responsibility. It just wasn't there. Players probably felt like they could do anything. Just using Pinelli as an example. Cowan and Rehkhopf also took some really dumb penalties in that game.

4. Tactically, Canada played a dump-and-chase style of game with a fairly passive forecheck as far as I could tell. Win a board battle, kick it back to the high man or d-man for a perimeter shot with no traffic in front. A few problems: (1) aside from Beaudoin, Canada didn't really have any crashers and bangers that could actually win board battles; I thought that was the job of Howe, Cataford and Gauthier, but they were all ineffective. Where is the size and ability to play and mean game and win board battles? (2) that style of play isn't really appealing, nor is it successful in winning hockey games...particularly when you have little size in the forward group and your best shooters were left at home or sitting in the pressbox

5. As a result of the poor roster selection, players like Ritchie, Nadeau and Cowan were playing a line higher in the lineup than they probably should have. Ritchie was fine, but him and Cowan were a poor fit together (and Cowan was a very poor fit on PP1) and Cameron never separated them. Cowan led the forwards in ice time despite being largely ineffective and making poor decisions with the puck (and taking a really stupid penalty vs. the U.S.). Not so say Cowan shouldn't have made the team...but middle-6 RW would have been a better fit for him.

6. The Canadian team apparently didn't practice after Dec 27th, which is completely outrageous, particularly considering the team showing no chemistry or ability to generate offense consistently aside from 1-on-1 rushes or the odd Catton/McKenna play. Passes not hitting the tape, not knowing where your linemate is or going to, passes in front or behind linemates...all symptomatic of poor chemistry that needs to get developed on the ice at practice.

7. Cameron formed some honestly really dumb line combo's and special teams units. The PK was bad, a hallmark of recent Cameron-coached teams. Bonk at PP QB was stupid, as Bonk doesn't QB London's PP...so why would Cameron think he could QB a PP at the international level? Even Bonk himself was questioning it. Not trying Rekhopf with Martone, or Martone with McKenna. I would say that Martone played a fairly passive game early in the tournament and sat in the pressbox as a result, but why wasn't he given a look with Rehkopf earlier in the pre-tournament games? Why didn't Rekhopf dress towards the end of the tournament when he's one of our best shooters and really the only forward consistently getting in hard on the forecheck and hitting people?

8. Despite Catton-McKenna-Pinelli generating the most chances offensively, in general, Cameron played them as a 3rd line for most of the tournament (in terms of minutes) and had Catton/McKenna on the 2nd PP unit. McKenna moved up to the Ritchie line mid-way through the Czech game, but as usual with Cameron it was too little, too late.

George saved Canada's ass from an even worse and more embarrassing outcome. I've watched this tournament most years since 1991, and I can count on one hand the number of teams as bad or worse than this year's. 1992, 1998 (when they infamously lost to Kazakhstan), 2013 (4th in a lockout year with everyone available), and 2016 (when they got pumped by Finland in the QF).

Cameron just doesn't have the coaching chops to win a tournament like this and it was laid bare for all to see last week. He dropped the ball in 2011, failing to adapt in the 3rd period when Russia stormed back and won the gold medal game after being down 3-0. Yes, he won gold in 2022, but that was with a loaded team even he couldn't f*** up with McTavish, Bedard, Zellweger, Johnson, etc. and even then he needed a miraculous play by McTavish on the goal line to save the game and then an OT goal by Johnson.

So yeah, if I'm a 16/17-year old first rounder, and being asked to waive a NMC to come to this mess under Cameron with it being so fresh in the mind, it'd be a big "nope" from me.

Further to your point, if that is a real concern, then the Senior Management of the 67’s need to get an offer of resignation (retirement) from Dave Cameron. Dave needs to make public this is his last season and they will address the coaching vacancy at the end of the season while inside they know it is Miley’s and they can tell prospective players that. Barring that, there is really nothing they can do.

It would be awful timing because it will look like it was a result of the WJHC result but so be it. This is more to do with recruitment factors.

This is also not to discount the number of players that really love having Dave as their coach. We need to also highlight that. He is very well liked by many players. This is not a situation where he is generally disliked and I think that makes this more difficult to maneauver.
 

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