Ottawa 67s 2024-25 Season Thread, Part II

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The 67's clearly beat London in the 3rd, 3–2 with a 12-5 shots advantage. It doesn't matter losing by 7 or by 1, always look for something positive to work with from a loss. Ottawa won the third period

 

[gadder]

Some "positives" from todays' game (London "practice?)
- It's clear Nelson is not ready for prime time. He's good very often but not enough for a starting role yet
- Conway is even less ready, if ever
- London is 24-3. We are 11-10 or so. That's us- we are mediocre. There's no point in buying this trade window. Let's move on to the rebuild.

 

[sirius67fan]

I don’t remember the last time I saw a pulled goalie get put back in. Holy smokes put Mews in net at this point

Disagree he's much better behind the net.

First time ever I left the game after 2, just couldn't watch it anymore.

 

[Billyjack]

Maybe we could have a Pinelli on our team again LOL

 

[three dog night]

Thought it would have been a closer game.

 

[ecraigs]

The 67's clearly beat London in the 3rd, 3–2 with a 12-5 shots advantage. It doesn't matter losing by 7 or by 1, always look for something positive to work with from a loss. Ottawa won the third period

London stopped shooting after the second until the penalty shot and their power play, plus it was the scrubs on the ice. Let's not fool ourselves. It was a 60 minute lesson on how to play hockey. They would be best to accept it and learn.

Ottawa was beaten badly by a team with better skill and better coaching. It doesn't get much clearer than that. The only shots that mean anything are the ones that go in the net.

I have rarely seen a team go 5 for 4 on the PP. The PK % on that is negative infinity.

 

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Some "positives" from todays' game (London "practice?)
- It's clear Nelson is not ready for prime time. He's good very often but not enough for a starting role yet
- Conway is even less ready, if ever
- London is 24-3. We are 11-10 or so. That's us- we are mediocre. There's no point in buying this trade window. Let's move on to the rebuild.

Why Nelson ? Was he the only soul on the ice getting beaten? What were all his teammates doing on the ice? Win as a team and lose as a team, that including all rookies on the team

 

[beastintheeast]

Why Nelson ? Was he the only soul on the ice getting beaten? What were all his teammates doing on the ice? Win as a team and lose as a team, that including all rookies on the team

No but he is the goalie. @frontsfan67 will back me up on this playing a hungry London game with a tookie in nets isnever a good idea. That is a Caputi move.

London comes into every game humgry and looking to improve stats. Humter coaches by his name his team is always hunting and looking for prey (mistakes)

Playing Nelson and not saying he was in for an injury now to me makes it official that we have 3 goalies on the team.

Now we have an issue to tdeal with.

You cannot blame Nelson for the game. He is a rookie and rookies have bad games and get beaten. Hel even allstar goalies have games like that (Roy Montreal)

The question though to me is are you willilng to take up a position in goal when you could be better used with a forward or another defenceman.

Obviously 3 of our 4 OA are in a bind. I think Gerrrior and Stonehouse played yeasterday to give more strength to the forward lines. OOPS

Having 3 goaliles though makes you wonder what the plan is.

I know I have said this and got shot down but I have to think the sooner Boyd decides what he is doing and pulls the plug the better.

Brady has been back long enough that if there were any teams interested he would know by now.

No one at this stage (except maybe Brampton} needs a back up goalie

Disagree he's much better behind the net.

First time ever I left the game after 2, just couldn't watch it anymore.

@sirius67fan I take it you were not around for the Peter Lee year. Hell even the starting goalie wanted to leave a couple of games.


@OMG67 I have to think after this weekend where we had trouble beatin the Petes and then get blownout Boyd has to see that this is a rebuild so forget about buying anything except maybe a couple of hockey sticks or Christmas presents for the family and look at this and next year as rebuilding years.


To me the optimum at this point woud be

1. resolve the Mews situation if it still exists or if you think he willnot be back next year I E ask for a trade

2. trade Pinelil and see if youban get a 16 year old and some picks.

3. release MacK not my first choice to do would rather trde Stonehouse BUT we can not carry 3 goalies all year like we are. Now that Conway has had his cherry busted he needs to get in games where he actually has a chance. If for nothing more that the give him back some of the confidence that he lost (again @frontsfan67) will explain if you need it

4. They need to have a long sit down with DC and ensure that he is willing to go with the young guys and develop them properly. If not the ownership needs to step in.

 

[beastintheeast]

London knights are what the 67's used to be under kILLER. They have system of development that works year in and year out. They draft the right players(hright and skills) they develop them mostly in the JrB for awhile.

They have a system tht develops the players into better players that are NHL or Pro material. Parents know this agents know this and scouts especially know this.

A lot of old timers will remember that up until the late 90's Ottawa was the team that people watched and wanted their kids to play on. Kiiler's prctices were brutal and skill development was top of the list.

If Andre had of stayed or had time to develop asystem that the assistants he left behind could follow we might be there.

@OMG67 hit the nail on the head. We need to find a CCHL team that we can partner with that has a coach that develops and is willing to develop our draft picks. Play them there for a year let them learn about older guys that are bigger and stronger. Then bring them up as your 3rd or 4th line govomng them the minuts on ice.

Frankly If I was the owner I would be looking for and or buying one of the assistants in London as my head coach.

 

[OMG67]

No but he is the goalie. @frontsfan67 will back me up on this playing a hungry London game with a tookie in nets isnever a good idea. That is a Caputi move.

London comes into every game humgry and looking to improve stats. Humter coaches by his name his team is always hunting and looking for prey (mistakes)

Playing Nelson and not saying he was in for an injury now to me makes it official that we have 3 goalies on the team.

Now we have an issue to tdeal with.

You cannot blame Nelson for the game. He is a rookie and rookies have bad games and get beaten. Hel even allstar goalies have games like that (Roy Montreal)

The question though to me is are you willilng to take up a position in goal when you could be better used with a forward or another defenceman.

Obviously 3 of our 4 OA are in a bind. I think Gerrrior and Stonehouse played yeasterday to give more strength to the forward lines. OOPS

Having 3 goaliles though makes you wonder what the plan is.

I know I have said this and got shot down but I have to think the sooner Boyd decides what he is doing and pulls the plug the better.

Brady has been back long enough that if there were any teams interested he would know by now.

No one at this stage (except maybe Brampton} needs a back up goalie


@sirius67fan I take it you were not around for the Peter Lee year. Hell even the starting goalie wanted to leave a couple of games.


@OMG67 I have to think after this weekend where we had trouble beatin the Petes and then get blownout Boyd has to see that this is a rebuild so forget about buying anything except maybe a couple of hockey sticks or Christmas presents for the family and look at this and next year as rebuilding years.


To me the optimum at this point woud be

1. resolve the Mews situation if it still exists or if you think he willnot be back next year I E ask for a trade

2. trade Pinelil and see if youban get a 16 year old and some picks.

3. release MacK not my first choice to do would rather trde Stonehouse BUT we can not carry 3 goalies all year like we are. Now that Conway has had his cherry busted he needs to get in games where he actually has a chance. If for nothing more that the give him back some of the confidence that he lost (again @frontsfan67) will explain if you need it

4. They need to have a long sit down with DC and ensure that he is willing to go with the young guys and develop them properly. If not the ownership needs to step in.

Conway is not the #3. Conway is the signed BUG. It prevents us from having to rotate in Back up goalies like we did last year. There is no intention of him being anything other than the designated #3 goalie. That may change in the future but as of now, he has done nothing either in the OHL or prior to the OHL that suggests otherwise.

If MAcK is traded/released, they will go and get an acceptable experienced backup. PErsonally, I am with you. Trade Stonehouse. Keep MacK. But, if they trade Pinelli, keeping the forward may make more sense. IT is not like Nelson has been consistently poor. He’s been solid for a young rookie and I won’t’ write off his season based on this one game.

 

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No but he is the goalie. @frontsfan67 will back me up on this playing a hungry London game with a tookie in nets isnever a good idea. That is a Caputi move.

London comes into every game humgry and looking to improve stats. Humter coaches by his name his team is always hunting and looking for prey (mistakes)

Playing Nelson and not saying he was in for an injury now to me makes it official that we have 3 goalies on the team.

Now we have an issue to tdeal with.

You cannot blame Nelson for the game. He is a rookie and rookies have bad games and get beaten. Hel even allstar goalies have games like that (Roy Montreal)

The question though to me is are you willilng to take up a position in goal when you could be better used with a forward or another defenceman.

Obviously 3 of our 4 OA are in a bind. I think Gerrrior and Stonehouse played yeasterday to give more strength to the forward lines. OOPS

Having 3 goaliles though makes you wonder what the plan is.

I know I have said this and got shot down but I have to think the sooner Boyd decides what he is doing and pulls the plug the better.

Brady has been back long enough that if there were any teams interested he would know by now.

No one at this stage (except maybe Brampton} needs a back up goalie


@sirius67fan I take it you were not around for the Peter Lee year. Hell even the starting goalie wanted to leave a couple of games.


@OMG67 I have to think after this weekend where we had trouble beatin the Petes and then get blownout Boyd has to see that this is a rebuild so forget about buying anything except maybe a couple of hockey sticks or Christmas presents for the family and look at this and next year as rebuilding years.


To me the optimum at this point woud be

1. resolve the Mews situation if it still exists or if you think he willnot be back next year I E ask for a trade

2. trade Pinelil and see if youban get a 16 year old and some picks.

3. release MacK not my first choice to do would rather trde Stonehouse BUT we can not carry 3 goalies all year like we are. Now that Conway has had his cherry busted he needs to get in games where he actually has a chance. If for nothing more that the give him back some of the confidence that he lost (again @frontsfan67) will explain if you need it

4. They need to have a long sit down with DC and ensure that he is willing to go with the young guys and develop them properly. If not the ownership needs to step in.

It's a 20 men team game, and that includes your least skilled players, all rookies, top players and everything in between. They lose together, and they win together, only the team is at fault or has the credit for wins. Each member on this team have a role to play, do it well, they win, fail, they lose. You just don't go bringing up a rookie player into a social media page and publically point him out as the player to blame for a 20-man team loss. Use a private page and invite your friends to the discussion, publically embarrassing a player in public for him to read it all, can be very dangerous. (In my humble opinion)

 

[beastintheeast]

Conway is not the #3. Conway is the signed BUG. It prevents us from having to rotate in Back up goalies like we did last year. There is no intention of him being anything other than the designated #3 goalie. That may change in the future but as of now, he has done nothing either in the OHL or prior to the OHL that suggests otherwise.

If MAcK is traded/released, they will go and get an acceptable experienced backup. PErsonally, I am with you. Trade Stonehouse. Keep MacK. But, if they trade Pinelli, keeping the forward may make more sense. IT is not like Nelson has been consistently poor. He’s been solid for a young rookie and I won’t’ write off his season based on this one game.


I thought that the only way a BUG could play was if there was an injury. That obviously was not thecase. Does that not change his status. Also could we not be better served by having just 2 goalies and using the other line up spot for a rookie or a player that can play forward or defence.

Conway is not the #3. Conway is the signed BUG. It prevents us from having to rotate in Back up goalies like we did last year. There is no intention of him being anything other than the designated #3 goalie. That may change in the future but as of now, he has done nothing either in the OHL or prior to the OHL that suggests otherwise.

If MAcK is traded/released, they will go and get an acceptable experienced backup. PErsonally, I am with you. Trade Stonehouse. Keep MacK. But, if they trade Pinelli, keeping the forward may make more sense. IT is not like Nelson has been consistently poor. He’s been solid for a young rookie and I won’t’ write off his season based on this one game.


I thought that the only way a BUG could play was if there was an injury. That obviously was not thecase. Does that not change his status. Also could we not be better served by having just 2 goalies and using the other line up spot for a rookie or a player that can play forward or defence.

 

[beastintheeast]

Conway is not the #3. Conway is the signed BUG. It prevents us from having to rotate in Back up goalies like we did last year. There is no intention of him being anything other than the designated #3 goalie. That may change in the future but as of now, he has done nothing either in the OHL or prior to the OHL that suggests otherwise.

If MAcK is traded/released, they will go and get an acceptable experienced backup. PErsonally, I am with you. Trade Stonehouse. Keep MacK. But, if they trade Pinelli, keeping the forward may make more sense. IT is not like Nelson has been consistently poor. He’s been solid for a young rookie and I won’t’ write off his season based on this one game.


I thought that the only way a BUG could play was if there was an injury. That obviously was not thecase. Does that not change his status. Also could we not be better served by having just 2 goalies and using the other line up spot for a rookie or a player that can play forward or defence.

 

[beastintheeast]

It's a 20 men team game, and that includes your least skilled players, all rookies, top players and everything in between. They lose together, and they win together, only the team is at fault or has the credit for wins. Each member on this team have a role to play, do it well, they win, fail, they lose. You just don't go bringing up a rookie player into a social media page and publically point him out as the player to blame for a 20-man team loss. Use a private page and invite your friends to the discussion, publically embarrassing a player in public for him to read it all, can be very dangerous. (In my humble opinion)

I think you need to reread what I wrote
Especially the line
You cannot blame Nelson for the game.

As to it being a 20 man game to a point I agree but there are also times that you kow that you are going against a powerhouse and the older experienced players have to step up their game. You can not leave it up to the rookies.

Mews Marelli and Mayich should be playing their best games yu can not depend on Esh a small rookie D to be the top player. Players like O Reilly and others on a Londn team are going to eat him alive.

My point was simple this should prove that there is little chance of us being a powerhouse team this year or anything other than a build therefore there is little or no reason that we would be buyers in this market.