Ottawa 67s 2024 - 25 Offseason Thread, Part I

[OMG67]

As of right now (which is all that matters), a player needs to be considered a student for the NHL teams to hold the players rights longer than two years. The question is if Foster were to commit to an NCAA school prior to June 1, would he be considered a student? That is the only factor that matters. What the NHL, CHL, NCAA do in the future is irrelevant to the Foster example.

There is an agreement in place (Collective Bargaining agreement with the NHLPA) that dictates how the NHL holds players rights. That agreement has one more year on it. So, it is unlikely they will make any changes this year. IT will likely be addressed as part of the new agreement (or not).

To be honest, they may not need to address anything. IT is clearly defined on how long the NHL teams hold player rights depending on whether they are in Europe, CHL, or NCAA. Nothing really needs to change in that regard. The issue that may come to the forefront is the AHL eligibility for the 18/19 year old CHL players. That will be interesting.

The landscape will change. We don’t really know how much. I think it is safe to say that the more elite OA’s that aren’t really pro prospects will likely play NCAA if they are eligible scholastically. Their exposure would be similar to the CHL. It is not like they are trying to wait another year before going to a dead end in CIS. A player like Logan Morrison wouldn’t have likely returned to the OHL in that situation. I can see a scenario where OA roster spots end up sitting at 2 plus a goalie. Or, maybe they keep it at three but almost all teams end up with an OA goalie organically. If the talented OA’s mostly leave early, the goalie becomes almost essential.

One other scenario has a handful of the more elite CHL players going NCAA because they can’t go AHL. The competition would be elevated above the CHL which is good for the handful of players wasting their time in the CHL but aren’t quite ready for the NHL. Guys like Schaefer, Misa, Parekh, Martone etc could be those types of players that probably could handle the AHL but not the NHL. We could see some change there in the next CBA.

If we do see some of the more elite players leave early and the OA pool gets thinner, the league would skew a bit younger. If that happens, that may affect the USHL more. It means the CHL would be looking for more younger players and the younger guys would be get more opportunity. Maybe that makes the CHL more comparable to the USHL in some respects whiter the older players aren’t the elite players. They are the guys more getting full ride scholarships etc.

 

[dirty12]

So far 141 CHL players have committed to play division I NCAA hockey, Some will probably end up in the CIS or AHL before their 4-5 years of eligibility is done, but many will take up spots in division I for 4-5 years.
It will be a bit tougher on teams that had planned to re-tool trading the top OAs, and the few that will lose ‘06s early this year. I don’t think it will be much of an issue for much more than this year though.

 

[leafs4life94]

To be honest, they may not need to address anything. IT is clearly defined on how long the NHL teams hold player rights depending on whether they are in Europe, CHL, or NCAA. Nothing really needs to change in that regard. The issue that may come to the forefront is the AHL eligibility for the 18/19 year old CHL players. That will be interesting.

I don't think the league would ever do it but I'd like to see something akin to exceptional status to assess 18/19 year olds and if they're ready to play in the AHL. There realistically would be only a handful of players able to make that leap - Ritchie, Cowan, Yakemchuk as a couple off the top of my head - but it'd be an interesting compromise.

 

[OMG67]

I don't think the league would ever do it but I'd like to see something akin to exceptional status to assess 18/19 year olds and if they're ready to play in the AHL. There realistically would be only a handful of players able to make that leap - Ritchie, Cowan, Yakemchuk as a couple off the top of my head - but it'd be an interesting compromise.

I’d like it to be determined by the NHL team and each team can designate one prospect per year. That prospect needs to be picked in the first two rounds. Something like that.

 

[OHL4Life]

I don't think the league would ever do it but I'd like to see something akin to exceptional status to assess 18/19 year olds and if they're ready to play in the AHL. There realistically would be only a handful of players able to make that leap - Ritchie, Cowan, Yakemchuk as a couple off the top of my head - but it'd be an interesting compromise.

its all about money. if the nhl teams offer a higher transfer fee, then im sure the chl would be fine with it. I have no idea what the transfer fee is now, lets say its 100k, if it becomes 500k for a player under 20, i dont thikn the chl team would bat an eye.

 

[beastintheeast]

its all about money. if the nhl teams offer a higher transfer fee, then im sure the chl would be fine with it. I have no idea what the transfer fee is now, lets say its 100k, if it becomes 500k for a player under 20, i dont thikn the chl team would bat an eye.

You are forgetting the one thing that can screw things up. The players and their parents. All it would need is one to take it to court in the U.S. and it could screw it up.

The current agreement was implemented because the WHA was poaching players before the NHL draft.

The one thing that needs to be addressed is the 2-year versus 4-year difference. Teams are looking at Mews and the possibility of others doing that, and is it fair?

I think the idea is to try to come up with a plan that allows all players 4 years to sign. This would give them 2 years in the CHL and 2 years at the CIS or NCAA level.

Remember that when the two-year plan came into effect, there was no USHL, and few NCAA players were signed.

To have star players go to the AHL is also going to hurt teams that are developing, as well as their fan base and attendance
how many people remember when we had Donovan in Sn Jose Washburn in Florida

Then the following year, Nemirovsky played in the NHL and AHL before coming back

 

[OHL4Life]

You are forgetting the one thing that can screw things up. The players and their parents. All it would need is one to take it to court in the U.S. and it could screw it up.

The current agreement was implemented because the WHA was poaching players before the NHL draft.

The one thing that needs to be addressed is the 2-year versus 4-year difference. Teams are looking at Mews and the possibility of others doing that, and is it fair?

I think the idea is to try to come up with a plan that allows all players 4 years to sign. This would give them 2 years in the CHL and 2 years at the CIS or NCAA level.

Remember that when the two-year plan came into effect, there was no USHL, and few NCAA players were signed.

To have star players go to the AHL is also going to hurt teams that are developing, as well as their fan base and attendance
how many people remember when we had Donovan in Sn Jose Washburn in Florida

Then the following year, Nemirovsky played in the NHL and AHL before coming back

you dont understand what you think you understand

 

[beastintheeast]

you dont understand what you think you understand

We shall see

 

[OHL4Life]

We shall see

they will work out the player rights, i believe that they already have just waiting to announce it.

no one is suing to get into the ahl sooner, sorry

 

[beastintheeast]

they will work out the player rights, i believe that they already have just waiting to announce it.

no one is suing to get into the ahl sooner, sorry

Not now but unless the league ties it up in a bow I am sure someone will try

 

[OHL4Life]

Not now but unless the league ties it up in a bow I am sure someone will try

no one has in 20 years

 

[InTheValley]

Hearing some possible draft pick signings coming down the pipe soon. A bunch of names, including Vandenberg, Zielinski and a couple other draft picks, and possibly a free agent or 2. Nothing set in stone yet, but getting close.

 

[BarberPole9]

Hearing some possible draft pick signings coming down the pipe soon. A bunch of names, including Vandenberg, Zielinski and a couple other draft picks, and possibly a free agent or 2. Nothing set in stone yet, but getting close.

With Vandenberg, Zielinski and hopefully two high end imports added into Amidovski, there may be quite a few top draft prospects on next year’s team.

Let’s hope that they all sign.

 

[OMG67]

Hearing some possible draft pick signings coming down the pipe soon. A bunch of names, including Vandenberg, Zielinski and a couple other draft picks, and possibly a free agent or 2. Nothing set in stone yet, but getting close.

Vandenberg and Zielinski would be massive signings. If they can nail down those two, then great. If they were to add Barnett, that would be huge. He’d be #1 D-Man just stepping into the lineup. If they can add a couple of the free agents that were in rookie camp, that would be huge as well.

This was always the wild card. It was also the big question mark for DC as well. Was keeping him detrimental to getting the harder to sign guys into 67’s uniforms? If they can get these signings done, then we have our answer. I still would prefer a different guy behind the bench for the next run but if we do manage to sing a bunch of guys, then maybe this isn’t going to be a four year run. Keeping DC may make sense under this scenario. Let him finish off on a high note. He coaches that one last year and they make a push. Who knows?

 

[OMG67]

Not now but unless the league ties it up in a bow I am sure someone will try

I don’t see how they can sue and be successful. The NHL and the NHLPA have a collectively bargained agreement. Anyone that sues would also have to sue the NHLPA. Why would a player that wants to play AHL at age 18 or 19 sue the Union that you are trying to be a part of? That seems sort of counter productive.

The only player that could sue is a player that is undrafted. If a player is undrafted, woudl they be good enough to play AHL? If a player that is drafted tries to sue, how do you think that would work out for that player? First, he wouldn’t be an NHL Signed player because as soon as he signs his contract, he becomes a union member and is contractually bound to the CBA. So, it would have to be a high drafted player, unsigned by the NHL club, and the player is trying to sign with an AHL team outside of the Union. So, even if he is successful, the cost of the lawsuit would be far greater than the $75k he’d make playing in the AHL.

I don’t see any angle there that makes sense. This is a CBA negotiation issue where they also need to renegotiate with the CHL. I think that tactic makes a lot more sense. I think it will be easier for the three organizations to update their agreement to match the new landscape. Like @OHL4Life said, it is more likely that the NHL team pays a “development fee” that really ends up being more of a transfer fee. Sort of like the NHL team playing the KHL team for a Russian player still under contract. In essence, that is what it would be because the CHL player would still be under contract with their member club. The NHL team pays the CHL member club a transfer fee but for the optics of it, they jsut pay a higher development fee.

 

[OHL4Life]

Hearing some possible draft pick signings coming down the pipe soon. A bunch of names, including Vandenberg, Zielinski and a couple other draft picks, and possibly a free agent or 2. Nothing set in stone yet, but getting close.

id be shocked if its Zielinski

 

[frontsfan67]

Hearing some possible draft pick signings coming down the pipe soon. A bunch of names, including Vandenberg, Zielinski and a couple other draft picks, and possibly a free agent or 2. Nothing set in stone yet, but getting close.

zielinskin would be a huge signing

 

[nelli27]

I don’t see how they can sue and be successful. The NHL and the NHLPA have a collectively bargained agreement. Anyone that sues would also have to sue the NHLPA. Why would a player that wants to play AHL at age 18 or 19 sue the Union that you are trying to be a part of? That seems sort of counter productive.

The only player that could sue is a player that is undrafted. If a player is undrafted, woudl they be good enough to play AHL? If a player that is drafted tries to sue, how do you think that would work out for that player? First, he wouldn’t be an NHL Signed player because as soon as he signs his contract, he becomes a union member and is contractually bound to the CBA. So, it would have to be a high drafted player, unsigned by the NHL club, and the player is trying to sign with an AHL team outside of the Union. So, even if he is successful, the cost of the lawsuit would be far greater than the $75k he’d make playing in the AHL.

I don’t see any angle there that makes sense. This is a CBA negotiation issue where they also need to renegotiate with the CHL. I think that tactic makes a lot more sense. I think it will be easier for the three organizations to update their agreement to match the new landscape. Like @OHL4Life said, it is more likely that the NHL team pays a “development fee” that really ends up being more of a transfer fee. Sort of like the NHL team playing the KHL team for a Russian player still under contract. In essence, that is what it would be because the CHL player would still be under contract with their member club. The NHL team pays the CHL member club a transfer fee but for the optics of it, they jsut pay a higher development fee.

Have you penned your apology to Elliott yet, lol?
You know I was waiting quite some time to deliver that post.

 

[dirty12]

Have you penned your apology to Elliott yet, lol?

There should be many penned apologies to Elliot imo.
While Medvedev 22-8-2 (0.719 W%), 2.79 GAA, 0.912 SV% was good on a great team; Elliot with a 32-1 (0.970 W%), 2.10 GAA (1st), 0.924 SV% (1st), 51-2 overall had a season for the ages.

 

[nelli27]

There should be many penned apologies to Elliot imo. A 32-1 (0.970 W%), 2.10 GAA (1st), 0.924 SV% (1st), 51-2 overall is a season for the ages.

Yes, it's all in good fun. OMG67 is a great poster and one with a sense of humour too.

 

[OMG67]

Have you penned your apology to Elliott yet, lol?
You know I was waiting quite some time to deliver that post.

3rd times a charm I guess! Looks like all he needed was a London Knights team in front of him to help him stay away from shitting the bed again.

 

[nelli27]

3rd times a charm I guess! Looks like all he needed was a London Knights team in front of him to help him stay away from shitting the bed again.

Lol!

 

[Harley49]

3rd times a charm I guess! Looks like all he needed was a London Knights team in front of him to help him stay away from shitting the bed again.

It’s always nice to hear a “Expert” admit they were wrong and why he shit the bed again …Cheers

 

[OMG67]

It’s always nice to hear a “Expert” admit they were wrong and why he shit the bed again …Cheers

In fairness, I wasn’t “wrong.” I highlighted that the player in question shit the bed in the playoffs two straight years after having exceptionally good regular seasons on similarly top teams in the WHL. The question was whether the Knights “should have” placed faith in him for a third opportunity. I didn’t think it was wise. All we have to make forecasts are leading indicators. And two major leading indicators pointed towards him losing his net in the playoffs two straight seasons on 100+ point teams. These are two pretty big leading indicators. I liken that to the Leafs continuing to “run it back” with their core hoping for a different outcome.

The area I highlighted was that Elliott being an OA raises the question of whether they would be better suited replacing Elliott with an OA skater and allow Medvedev to take the net (or trade for a different goalie). Personally, I would have upgraded my OA’s with a skater and would have tried to nail down a solid non-OA goalie (if that were a possibility).

It is good to see that Elliott performed well. I am happy for him and the Knights. No one wants to see a player go down for the count three times. That’s not good for anyone. But, I would suggest that the Knights team ended up being so strong that Medvedev could have backstopped them to a Championship as well.

 

[dirty12]

In fairness, I wasn’t “wrong.” I highlighted that the player in question shit the bed in the playoffs two straight years after having exceptionally good regular seasons on similarly top teams in the WHL. The question was whether the Knights “should have” placed faith in him for a third opportunity. I didn’t think it was wise. All we have to make forecasts are leading indicators. And two major leading indicators pointed towards him losing his net in the playoffs two straight seasons on 100+ point teams. These are two pretty big leading indicators. I liken that to the Leafs continuing to “run it back” with their core hoping for a different outcome.

The area I highlighted was that Elliott being an OA raises the question of whether they would be better suited replacing Elliott with an OA skater and allow Medvedev to take the net (or trade for a different goalie). Personally, I would have upgraded my OA’s with a skater and would have tried to nail down a solid non-OA goalie (if that were a possibility).

It is good to see that Elliott performed well. I am happy for him and the Knights. No one wants to see a player go down for the count three times. That’s not good for anyone. But, I would suggest that the Knights team ended up being so strong that Medvedev could have backstopped them to a Championship as well.

There is a big, big, big difference in goalies at 22-8-2, 2.79, 0.912 and 32-1, 2.10, 0.924 on the same team. There were some still calling for a change at goalie prior to the deadline when Elliot had a perfect record; that’s just absurd.