Ottawa 67's 2023-24 Season Thread (Part 3)

The view from Boyd and his scouts might be that picks 3-9 are all pretty close, and that everyone's board likely looks different. Therefore, no value in tanking. I'm not saying they are right, necessarily, but that may well be the prevailing view. Also, coaches are wired to win, and you can't have a GM micromanaging the bench and player deployment. Dave Cameron is as competitive as anyone and he is going to go full Herm Edwards. TBH, I'd be exactly the same in his shoes...
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The view from Boyd and his scouts might be that picks 3-9 are all pretty close, and that everyone's board likely looks different. Therefore, no value in tanking. I'm not saying they are right, necessarily, but that may well be the prevailing view. Also, coaches are wired to win, and you can't have a GM micromanaging the bench and player deployment. Dave Cameron is as competitive as anyone and he is going to go full Herm Edwards. TBH, I'd be exactly the same in his shoes...View attachment 992993
YOu can play to win but shortening your bench so tht your future centers do not get ice time sends the message that yo do not trust them and you have no faith in them. Can anyone here tell me that Barlkas is a beter Center than whitehead
 
The view from Boyd and his scouts might be that picks 3-9 are all pretty close, and that everyone's board likely looks different. Therefore, no value in tanking. I'm not saying they are right, necessarily, but that may well be the prevailing view. Also, coaches are wired to win, and you can't have a GM micromanaging the bench and player deployment. Dave Cameron is as competitive as anyone and he is going to go full Herm Edwards. TBH, I'd be exactly the same in his shoes...View attachment 992993

100%. The are wired to win. IF the goal was to tank then they needed to do it via trade at the deadline.

YOu can play to win but shortening your bench so tht your future centers do not get ice time sends the message that yo do not trust them and you have no faith in them. Can anyone here tell me that Barlkas is a beter Center than whitehead

Ottawa has no centres at all. So, I don’t know what we are all talking about with respect to who is playing centres and who is not.

Whitehead has been far more effective as a winger. That’s the reality. Dever is likely the only player we have right now that has proven to be more effective at centre than on the wing.
 
100%. The are wired to win. IF the goal was to tank then they needed to do it via trade at the deadline.



Ottawa has no centres at all. So, I don’t know what we are all talking about with respect to who is playing centres and who is not.

Whitehead has been far more effective as a winger. That’s the reality. Dever is likely the only player we have right now that has proven to be more effective at centre than on the wing.
So you are saying that a kid who has been a center all year and has the third-best FO percentage is not a center. I see your humour has not changed. Whitehead is a lot better than Barlas. Or are we going with Foster Dever and Barlas as our centers next year? It's a great idea for a rebuild.


Again we have a lot of young guys we have had Houben playing center and now they want to go this way.

This is not going to make this team any more desirable to NCAA, Euro or draft picks sorry.
 
So you are saying that a kid who has been a center all year and has the third-best FO percentage is not a center. I see your humour has not changed. Whitehead is a lot better than Barlas. Or are we going with Foster Dever and Barlas as our centers next year? It's a great idea for a rebuild.


Again we have a lot of young guys we have had Houben playing center and now they want to go this way.

This is not going to make this team any more desirable to NCAA, Euro or draft picks sorry.

If it was about playing 16 & 17 yr olds that have not forced their way up the line-up, London would be an undesirable destination. Hawery has dressed for less than half of the knights’ games.
Bonk & Cowan played ~10 games as true rookies.
 
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If it was about playing 16 & 17 yr olds that have not forced their way up the line-up, London would be an undesirable destination. Hawery has dressed for less than half of the knights’ games.
Bonk & Cowan played ~10 games as true rookies.
White head is not a rookie and was a first round pick that has played many games and shown that he is one of the top 3 face off people.

The question that needs to be asked is, are we trying to retool and rebuild the team? In which case we play and develop our youth in games that are important.

OR

Are we a team that ownership has a need to make the playoffs and screw [layer development and building confidence.

Can anyone here see this team next year with Barlas, Dever and Foster as our centers, and if so, what or who do you have for center in 26/27

This is starting to smell like a coach and GM that are worried about their jobs and think that winning a playoff slot will save them.
 
So you are saying that a kid who has been a center all year and has the third-best FO percentage is not a center. I see your humour has not changed. Whitehead is a lot better than Barlas. Or are we going with Foster Dever and Barlas as our centers next year? It's a great idea for a rebuild.


Again we have a lot of young guys we have had Houben playing center and now they want to go this way.

This is not going to make this team any more desirable to NCAA, Euro or draft picks sorry.

Whitehead has proven to not be a centre. His better position is on the wing. He creates a lot more offensive production and scoring opportunities off the wing. Being a centre is a lot more than winning faceoffs.

This isn’t about player comparisons, it is about recognizing where the holes are on this team and the gaping hole is centre ice. We don’t have a true centre in the lineup. Not one single centre. You may as well play the more veteran players down the middle since they are at least more responsible defensively. We had the same conversation about Barlas at the same age. He wasn’t a centre but they kept ramming him down the middle where he wasn’t effective. When they put him on the wing, all of a sudden he was effective. It is the same with Whitehead. He is far more effective as a winger.

As previously stated, our #1 centre hands down coming into the season was Gardiner. On Barrie, he isn’t even a centre. What does that tell you?

This team is so poorly constructed and has been since Post-Covid. We’ve had five major acquisitions and of those five, three were centres. We have three teams worth of left wingers. We have one right winger and zero centres.

We will have an early Import pick. With some good fortune, we can get one with that pick. It would be good if we drafted a centre with our first round pick. Those early guys are usually hanging on the 3rd line by Christmas. And then if we can get Vandenberg to sign, he is likely a quality centre. We will have Foster and Dever next year as OA’s that can play centre while these younger guys adjust. Maybe Ekberg gets an opportunity next year down the middle? Maybe Whitehead gets another shot down the middle? But, neither have shown capable to date.

It has taken Ekberg quite a while to get fully comfortable. I think we are starting to see him create ice for himself. He is a lot more confident carrying the puck. He is starting to show signs of being the player he was touted to be. Does that mean he is ready for his opportunity down the middle? Maybe. But, the issue is the team kept Pinelli and are trying to make the playoffs. They aren’t going to tinker now.

And, while we are on that topic of making the playoffs, the reality is this team is focused solely on just that. They should be focused on that. They kept Pinelli. You don’t’ keep Pinelli and then throw in the towel anyway. In fact, I think when it became evident that Pinelli wasn’t being moved, it also meant they kept Mayich, Fsoter, and Dever who were all likely traded at the deadline as well. But, that turn of events meant they now are still focused ont he best possible result. As much as I don’t agree with that approach, considering Pinelli et all are still there, it is the ONLY approach to take. If I were DC, I’d be taking that approach too.

We as fans have the luxury of sitting back and pointing fingers at perceived mistakes, poor judgement, and criticize those that do make the decisions. That is fine. However, we must at least be somewhat logical with respect to what they should be doing “under the circumstances.” As much as I’d prefer to see them miss the playoffs and play the younger guys a little more when it makes sense, the circumstances do not call for that strategy. The circumstances call for a full court press to a playoff spot. I fully expect them to do that. I would not expect anything less than that. Had they traded Pinelli, Foster, Dever and Mayich, then we’d be having a completely different conversation but they didn’t’ do that so we are where we are.
 
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White head is not a rookie and was a first round pick that has played many games and shown that he is one of the top 3 face off people.

The question that needs to be asked is, are we trying to retool and rebuild the team? In which case we play and develop our youth in games that are important.

OR

Are we a team that ownership has a need to make the playoffs and screw [layer development and building confidence.

Can anyone here see this team next year with Barlas, Dever and Foster as our centers, and if so, what or who do you have for center in 26/27

This is starting to smell like a coach and GM that are worried about their jobs and think that winning a playoff slot will save them.

Whitehead (perhaps selected a bit early in 2nd round) is a no-doubt centre for the ‘67s going forward imo, and I think has played pretty well this season with an appropriate amount of TOI for a smaller 17 yr old centre (in my few views). He by no means forced his way to a line with Pinelli or PP1 imo.
Edit: I agree with OMG67 about poor roster construction. Like the wolves, the ‘67s could have passed on some left shots even if BPA to build a better team. Some drastic measures may be needed to avoid a situation like Brampton where physically challenged centres are holding back an otherwise loaded roster.
 
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Whitehead (perhaps selected a bit early in 2nd round) is a no-doubt centre for the ‘67s going forward imo, and I think has played pretty well this season with an appropriate amount of TOI for a smaller 17 yr old centre (in my few views). He by no means forced his way to a line with Pinelli or PP1 imo.
Edit: I agree with OMG67 about poor roster construction. Like the wolves, the ‘67s could have passed on some left shots even if BPA to build a better team. Some drastic measures may be needed to avoid a situation like Brampton where physically challenged centres are holding back an otherwise loaded roster.

I think there is a caveat to all of this. There are players that “can play” centre and players that “should play” centre. The best example on Ottawa in my mind right now is Foster. Foster can play centre. He isn’t bad there. But, he is far more effective off the wing. Barlas is another great example. I feel Whitehead is the next one. He is fine at centre. He doesn’t make a lot of mistakes but he has a very hard time driving offence from the centre position. Yes, he is only 17 and yes, he is smaller and will likely grow a bit more as he matures. He will gradually fit into the position but I think the way he approaches the game, he seems to have better instincts coming off the wing. I think he will be far more effective off the wing.

The challenge Ottawa has is all the LW. If Whitehead plays LW, he joins Amidovski, and Ekberg as three soon to be high performing LW. That is two 17 year olds and a 16 year old. You clearly cannot play those guys over three lines. I think we will see Kingwell join those three next year as impact LW. They still have Yanni, Houben, Souliere, and Perrier in the fold as well. A couple of them will likely play on their off wing as RW. Not a huge deal but if both wings are loaded with left shot guys, it surely is not ideal. It will be interesting to see how they approach that situation going forward. This doesn’t include the OA’s next year that are Left Shot guys in Barlas and Foster. Dever is a right shot so if they can resolve the centre issues, maybe he can shift back to RW? I dunno.
 
We lost today in last seconds of overtime. Overall it was a better result than expected the last 2 games. Nice to be at the arena the last time this season. The place was pretty packed so maybe having a winning team isn't a requirement for high attendance.

My final thoughts on the season are hopeful for next year.
- Houben is really coming on as an impactful centre. He won't get that many points but as a banger and crasher on the 3rd line he will be really good
- Our defence even without Esh is set very well. Marelli and Esh, Dietsch and Jackson, and Brady plus whoever
- the forwards are a competent group but there's no stars really. We're gonna need to hit it big in the draft lotto.

We've got 3 games to go and we're still in the hunt for a playoff spot. The posters above say that it doesn't really matter much among the bottom 5 WRT draft so I'm hoping we can draft very shrewdly. Maybe not next season but certainly the season after this years draft will decide how good we are going forward.
 
Uronen seems to really have a beef with the 67's, when he scored the winner he was pointing at the 67's bench with a big smile on his face.
 
Uronen seems to really have a beef with the 67's, when he scored the winner he was pointing at the 67's bench with a big smile on his face.
Every traded player who scores a big goal against a former team either says something or gestures towards the bench
 
Except this one was told he wasn’t wanted.
is it possible he was not medically cleared and asked the 67s to keep his rights within the OHL; thus the trade to a team that then had 3 Imports and no risk if he wasnt cleared?
 
is it possible he was not medically cleared and asked the 67s to keep his rights within the OHL; thus the trade to a team that then had 3 Imports and no risk if he wasnt cleared?
Not that’s not what happened. They cut him without even speaking with him directly.
 
I’ve told you guys several time he did not return to Ottawa because he only wanted to play with his close friend, he was suffering from being home sick early last season & almost went home, in Kingston he’s playing & living with a friend that is really helping him be away from home, Ottawa didn’t get a good return from him because how short his season was last year
 
I’ve told you guys several time he did not return to Ottawa because he only wanted to play with his close friend, he was suffering from being home sick early last season & almost went home, in Kingston he’s playing & living with a friend that is really helping him be away from home, Ottawa didn’t get a good return from him because how short his season was last year

I’ve heard differently from multiple people. The most common account was that the 67’s chose Korbler and asked Uronen where he wanted to play. He chose Kingston AFTER Ottawa had made their decision on their strategy going into the Import Draft. You are the only person that I’ve had a conversation with that suggests this was all Uronen’s wishes.

Again, the 67’s didn’t get much because they asked him where he wanted to play and they made every effort to try to make it happen. I’m sure they may have been able to get more as an NHL draft pick but the 67’s treating him with respect and allowing him to pick his favoured destination was ideal since he was unlikely to return to the OHL if he were traded ot a destination he didn’t want to be.

I don’t understand this whole issue of home sickness. The kid played five weeks in Ottawa and rehabbed outside Ottawa for his serious injury. He rejoined the team in the playoffs last year and was set to return sometime in the 3rd round had they made it that far. Al totalled, he was in Ottawa for about 8 weeks prior to his injury and then again for a couple weeks in the playoffs skating with the team and eager to get back in the lineup.

I will agree that it is likely the 67’s kept Korbler because Uronen didn’t play much and there was some uncertainty but I am 99% sure he would have played for the 67’s this year had he not been traded.
 

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