Ottawa 67's 2022-23 Season Thread (Part 2)

[OMG67]

What would be your offer for Clarke & Cardwell? I believe Cardwell leads the whole CHL in pts/game

I think the big problem with this discussion is if Clarke returns to Barrie, I don’t see a situation where Barrie goes into rebuild mode. I think adding Clarke for a zero acquisition cost to their existing lineup bridges the current gap between the team now and the team going into the deadline. Barrie would be in buyer mode or at least they should be.

I see no reason for Barrie to be sellers at the deadline even if Clarke doesn’t return. Their main assets are OA’s that typically don’t go for as much as 19 year olds and they’d be flooding their own trade market making two really good ones available.

But, if you want a far fetched hypothetical, then the value of Clarke would be:

Marrelli
two 2nds
three 3rds
4th

Cardwell:
two 2nds
two 3rds

That seems to be able the going rate for those types of players. You can apply that to almost any other impact name based on their age.

 

[TcNorth]

The deal with Flint favors Ottawa. However, I do like the size of the Firebirds new blue line.

 

[sirius67fan]

I'd deal you vierling for a 2nd, 3rd and 4th

I'd go for that as a plan B if we can't get Morrison.

The deal with Flint favors Ottawa. However, I do like the size of the Firebirds new blue line.

Deal with Flint????

 

[BarberPole9]

What would be your offer for Clarke & Cardwell? I believe Cardwell leads the whole CHL in pts/game

Ottawa has an open import slot and Mintyukov from Saginaw could very well be available.

Would LA want to send Clarke back to an underwhelming Barrie team? They could very well force the Colts’ hand to trade him where they would see his development benefit the most.

Also, there would be little chance that a local Nepean kid Henry Mews would waive an NTC to leave a Mem Cup contender to a team that seems to be perennially rebuilding the past few years.

Hard pass, and not because I don’t think highly of Brandt Clarke.

 

[Larionov]

So does Boucher go to the WJC for the US? If you think that OHL officials don't like his style, wait until he encounters some Euro official at the WJC. I think the Americans might be worried about his penchant for penalties. OTOH, it looks like a bit of a down year for the Americans, so he might make their roster regardless.

Curious as to what other players we might lose for the duration of the WJC - I know we get to keep our coach, which is a positive...

 

[NordiquesForeva]

So does Boucher go to the WJC for the US? If you think that OHL officials don't like his style, wait until he encounters some Euro official at the WJC. I think the Americans might be worried about his penchant for penalties. OTOH, it looks like a bit of a down year for the Americans, so he might make their roster regardless.

Curious as to what other players we might lose for the duration of the WJC - I know we get to keep our coach, which is a positive...

We'll definitely lose Rohrer to Team Austria.

Matier has a chance - maybe a good chance - of making Team Canada.

I'm not overly familiar with how the U.S. selects their national junior teams, but the TSN guys have always alluded to the management team/coaching staff for the U.S. team favouring U.S. collegiate players over CHL players (conversely, Canada has typically been seen to favour CHL players over U.S. collegiate players). I'm not sure if Boucher would be locked-into a spot on the U.S. team, but as a 19-year old player with some good offensive tools and off-the-charts physicality, I can't see him not make the team unless discipline and keeping out of the penalty box with the more strict IIHF refereeing was a huge concern. Boucher would look good in their top-6 I'd think, riding shotgun, clearing space and doing the dirty work down low on an offensive line. He wouldn't have much use on a defensive line.

 

[beastintheeast]

I still think that we are going to see Pinelli on this team this year. Kitchener is last in the conference. Hamilton is a playoff team this year.

What is going to make the difference is who wants out and what does Hamilton want to do this year.

Considering that we have the best defence in the league based on GAA and the highest scoring team I think we just need a little tweak. Next years team on defence with what he have looks pretty good to me as well so I am not sold on trading a lot of players picks yeah players not so much.

 

[OMG67]

I still think that we are going to see Pinelli on this team this year. Kitchener is last in the conference. Hamilton is a playoff team this year.

What is going to make the difference is who wants out and what does Hamilton want to do this year.

Considering that we have the best defence in the league based on GAA and the highest scoring team I think we just need a little tweak. Next years team on defence with what he have looks pretty good to me as well so I am not sold on trading a lot of players picks yeah players not so much.

I could see Pinelli here as well. I called that in the offseason. But, if we do, then it likley means we look for someone other than Morrison unless the idea would be to shift one of Morrison or Pinelli to the wing.

However, I don’t think we would acquire Franky Pinelli at market rates. I think it would have to be him demanding a trade to Ottawa. Then it would be up to Kitchener to decide if they want to keep him or trade him for a slight discount. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think Ottawa woudl get him for a song. I think they still have to give something moderately close to market rates otherwise Kitchener will keep him. But, if they could get him for two 2nds and two 3rds then I think it may be a discount enough for Boyd to seriously listen.

So, if we were to get Pinelli, how does that change the hunting grounds for an OA? Do we shift to a D-Man like Moore, keep Morrison in the crosshairs anyway or do we look at a winger like Arcuri?

 

[sirius67fan]

I could see Pinelli here as well. I called that in the offseason. But, if we do, then it likley means we look for someone other than Morrison unless the idea would be to shift one of Morrison or Pinelli to the wing.

However, I don’t think we would acquire Franky Pinelli at market rates. I think it would have to be him demanding a trade to Ottawa. Then it would be up to Kitchener to decide if they want to keep him or trade him for a slight discount. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think Ottawa woudl get him for a song. I think they still have to give something moderately close to market rates otherwise Kitchener will keep him. But, if they could get him for two 2nds and two 3rds then I think it may be a discount enough for Boyd to seriously listen.

So, if we were to get Pinelli, how does that change the hunting grounds for an OA? Do we shift to a D-Man like Moore, keep Morrison in the crosshairs anyway or do we look at a winger like Arcuri?

Go for the two centers and put Vinnie on the wing.

 

[OMG67]

Go for the two centers and put Vinnie on the wing.

Do you push Gardiner to the 4th line centre? That’s probably what I would do.

Pinelli - Pinelli - Boucher
Beck - Tolani - Foster
Stonehouse - Morrison - Rohrer
Barlas - Gardiner - Gerrior

 

[sirius67fan]

Do you push Gardiner to the 4th line centre? That’s probably what I would do.

Pinelli - Pinelli - Boucher
Beck - Tolani - Foster
Stonehouse - Morrison - Rohrer
Barlas - Gardiner - Gerrior

I don't think Gardiner would mind that too much for half a season on that team. Nice to dream isn't it?

 

[OHLoutsider2020]

I don't think Gardiner would mind that too much for half a season on that team. Nice to dream isn't it?

Not sure why Beck is always in these lineups. Ya it would be sweet to have him back healthy and producing but it’s a long shot at this point. I’m shocked he isn’t back yet. He was on his way to an ELC and now what ? I wish him the best and as always a players health is most important.

 

[NordiquesForeva]

A player of Gardiner’s caliber on the 4th line? Sheesh, what a luxury.

 

[OMG67]

Not sure why Beck is always in these lineups. Ya it would be sweet to have him back healthy and producing but it’s a long shot at this point. I’m shocked he isn’t back yet. He was on his way to an ELC and now what ? I wish him the best and as always a players health is most important.

We always need to remain positive. I am positive Beck will be back. I am hopeful he remains in the lineup when he returns.

We need to consider the injuries. He had an internal injury and now what is likely a concussion. Provided he comes back healthy, and he keeps his head clear, a return to the injured list would be very unlucky.

 

[Savard18]

The deal with Flint favors Ottawa. However, I do like the size of the Firebirds new blue line.

Difficult to know the difference between Ottawa and Oshawa?

 

[mianjo]

67's tied 2-2 after 2


2ND 17:29
#27 Jack Matier (9) scores. Assists: #22 Matthew Mayich, #23 Will Gerrior


2ND 19:36
#12 Anthony Costantini (5) scores.

 

[OMG67]

This game is a GREAT example of why the 67’s need to add at the deadline. We don’t have depth up the middle. Both Tolnai and Rohrer are dragging arse tonight. For whatever reason, it is what it is. But without the depth at centre, they are handcuffed and have to roll those two guys out there 18-20 minutes per night when they are clearly not on their game. Then combine that with two elite wingers out of the game (injury and suspension) and you can see what I’ve been talking about with respect to required depth to guard agains this exact situation.

We also rely too heavily on our 17 year olds. And to be real, our 18 year olds have the same amount of experience as most of our 17 year olds because of the cancelled Pandemic season and the double cohort of rookies last year. 14 of 18 skaters in the lineup tonight are 18 and under. One of the 19 year olds dressed is arguably our least valuable player (Laforme). You simply cannot expect the team to maintain a consistent level of performance relying on players with less than 2 full seasons in the league.

The 67’s need to add at least two players and probably three if they want to maintain consistency and guard against injury. It is not realistic to expect this team with its age to be able to step up in all situations when the ones stepping up have less than 100 games in the league When you are deep in the playoffs and the entire seasons success is on the line.

 

[BarberPole9]

This game is a GREAT example of why the 67’s need to add at the deadline. We don’t have depth up the middle. Both Tolnai and Rohrer are dragging arse tonight. For whatever reason, it is what it is. But without the depth at centre, they are handcuffed and have to roll those two guys out there 18-20 minutes per night when they are clearly not on their game. Then combine that with two elite wingers out of the game (injury and suspension) and you can see what I’ve been talking about with respect to required depth to guard agains this exact situation.

We also rely too heavily on our 17 year olds. And to be real, our 18 year olds have the same amount of experience as most of our 17 year olds because of the cancelled Pandemic season and the double cohort of rookies last year. 14 of 18 skaters in the lineup tonight are 18 and under. One of the 19 year olds dressed is arguably our least valuable player (Laforme). You simply cannot expect the team to maintain a consistent level of performance relying on players with less than 2 full seasons in the league.

The 67’s need to add at least two players and probably three if they want to maintain consistency and guard against injury. It is not realistic to expect this team with its age to be able to step up in all situations when the ones stepping up have less than 100 games in the league When you are deep in the playoffs and the entire seasons success is on the line.

And what a third period! This team rarely disappoints.

 

[mianjo]

67's win 6-2

GOAL
3RD 8:14
#26 Gavin Ewles (1) scores. Assists: #10 Cameron TolnaiGAME WINNING
+/-

GOAL
3RD 10:55
#29 Cooper Foster (11) scores. POWER PLAYINSURANCE GOAL
+/-

GOAL
3RD 12:55
#10 Cameron Tolnai (13) scores.
+/-

GOAL
3RD 15:32
#11 Henry Mews (4) scores. Assists: #17 Brady Stonehouse, #10 Cameron Tolnai
+/-

 

[OMG67]

And what a third period! This team rarely disappoints.

The point was clear though. They were slow and took advantage of a poor goaltender. They had a good 3rd but it would have been great if they had more options earlier. How often is Rohrer a -1 with zero points in a 6 goal effort? He had nothing to give. It would be nice if they were able to turn to someone else in situations like this.

 

[ecraigs]

This game is a GREAT example of why the 67’s need to add at the deadline. We don’t have depth up the middle. Both Tolnai and Rohrer are dragging arse tonight.

Rohrer had one shift very early with some jump, but that was it. Clearly, he is not physically ready. Three own goals by Flint, but we still won 3-2. I thought the officiating was very weak, particularly the one on Mayich. Sometimes, you just gotta gut it out.

 

[OMG67]

Rohrer had one shift very early with some jump, but that was it. Clearly, he is not physically ready. Three own goals by Flint, but we still won 3-2. I thought the officiating was very weak, particularly the one on Mayich. Sometimes, you just gotta gut it out.

We are going to have games throughout the year where a couple guys just aren’t able to answer the bell for whatever reason. It is Junior hockey and it isn’t realistic to expect players to play a full 68 games with high intensity. I am ok with that. I would prefer the team to have the depth down the middle so when those games happen they have some decent options. It is easy to move a winger up, especially on this team. But, on this team it is much more difficult to move a winger into a centre position when needed. We aren’t blessed with that luxury. Realistically, we have three centres with Foster probably being the 4th in a pinch. That isn’t good enough.

I am reasonably confident they will fill that gap regardless of whether the player/s they add end up as centres but they will be capable of playing centre. It is just frustrating to watch. I need more patience for sure. I know it will be fixed but it is what it is.

 

[beastintheeast]

The deal with Flint favors Ottawa. However, I do like the size of the Firebirds new blue line.

Can someone tell me what the deal with Flint is or is this just wishful thinking on TC Flints part?

BECK

Beck worries me because usually a concussion player if it is a slight concussion is not out this long. I am worried that it was a major concussion. That means that the next hit to the head or upper body could be a HUGE issue.
I would like to see the 67's if they can get either Pinelli or Morrison then make a deal for a winger to replace
Beck.

No I am not writing him off but I am looking at backing him up. If he is a key to the team and gets hit before teh playoffs we could be screwed. If and when he comes back and last word I heard was week to week then we have an insurance player and a benefit of riches going into the playoffs.

 

[beastintheeast]

I could see Pinelli here as well. I called that in the offseason. But, if we do, then it likley means we look for someone other than Morrison unless the idea would be to shift one of Morrison or Pinelli to the wing.

However, I don’t think we would acquire Franky Pinelli at market rates. I think it would have to be him demanding a trade to Ottawa. Then it would be up to Kitchener to decide if they want to keep him or trade him for a slight discount. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think Ottawa woudl get him for a song. I think they still have to give something moderately close to market rates otherwise Kitchener will keep him. But, if they could get him for two 2nds and two 3rds then I think it may be a discount enough for Boyd to seriously listen.

So, if we were to get Pinelli, how does that change the hunting grounds for an OA? Do we shift to a D-Man like Moore, keep Morrison in the crosshairs anyway or do we look at a winger like Arcuri?

I think that Pinelli would be a cheaper get than Morrison and this is going to be his last year in the OHL. Kitchener is not going anywhere this year they need to rebuild.

Could we get Morrison and Pinelli probably but I like your other idea better.

The only part I am not sold on is trading with Kingston. I think that next year this team is going to compete for the championship. We are still going to have a good team and as we have seen our young guys are really developing.
I would hate to give Kingston the parts to make them better next year. Draft picks are not an issue and maybe throw in Constantini.

 

[sirius67fan]

Interesting game. We played good not great for the first half but turned it on the last 25 min ( albeit helped by a lucky goal). It's a pattern, we get better and wear teams down as the game goes on. To OMG's point I think it is telling that in the second half of the game until it was out of reach we had Mews/Sirman play top 9 roles. Great in a sense but we lack not only center depth but forward depth. Of course Boucher/Beck will remedy that but if we add two top forwards...wow. Other thoughts on the game . That Mews kid is O.K. I guess. Was really impressed by Marelli tonight he's really getting up to the speed of the O. I know it's been said many times with good reason how dominant Matier is when on the ice. I think it's gone under the radar how dominant another D has been...Costantini! He dominates through positionning, smarts and passing. Different from Matier who physically dominates. However when either of those guys is on the ice we control the play

I think that Pinelli would be a cheaper get than Morrison and this is going to be his last year in the OHL. Kitchener is not going anywhere this year they need to rebuild.

Could we get Morrison and Pinelli probably but I like your other idea better.

The only part I am not sold on is trading with Kingston. I think that next year this team is going to compete for the championship. We are still going to have a good team and as we have seen our young guys are really developing.
I would hate to give Kingston the parts to make them better next year. Draft picks are not an issue and maybe throw in Constantini.

I agree with the point Beast but Costantini ain't going nowhere.