Ottawa 67's 2021-22 Season Thread

[OMG67]

9 games 6 points plus 2 and a 33 percent shot rate.

I think as the season goes on he will get more ice time to remember he was injured and missed a chunk of playing time.

I think he will stay this year, look at who is left don't eh team and where he will fit in for his draft year as well as see what offers he is getting from the NCAA route.

If he is going to go to Sarnia then the offer, the ice time and the players he is playing with would have to be a given.

Le4t's face it with the injury even if he was here he should not be be getting the same minutes as Stonehouse is getting.

He was a 1st round pick. He’d likely be getting top 9 minutes as a 16 year old and top 6 minutes as a 17 year old. That is the typical progression for first rounders unless they are flops. So, yes, he would be getting top 6 minutes this year. They’d have made alternate roster decisions to accommodate it.

The 33% shooting percentage goes to show how few shots he has put on net. Again, it shows his ice time is little which means he is likely, at best, playing 3rd line minutes, maybe even 4th line.

When we consider graduations for Chicago next year, we also need to consider signings. They draw from the elite that don’t play USNDTP American players and strong Canadian players like Fantilli. So even though they will graduate players, they will sign a couple prolific ones that will be placed ahead of him on the depth chart. It is unless he will end up in a 2nd line role next year based on the prestige of that program.

It was stated that he went to Chicago not to play NCAA but to gain uninterrupted exposure for NHL scouts. Basically he didn’t want to play in the OHL and then the OHL shuts down for Covid again and he felt that the USHL would provide that.

So, it is likely he will play OHL next year because it doesn’t seem like NCAA is even on his radar. The question is whether he will report to Sarnia after Christmas. Unlikely but possible considering where he sits on the depth chart.

 

[HockeyPops]

He was a 1st round pick. He’d likely be getting top 9 minutes as a 16 year old and top 6 minutes as a 17 year old. That is the typical progression for first rounders unless they are flops. So, yes, he would be getting top 6 minutes this year. They’d have made alternate roster decisions to accommodate it.

Maybe that's the case for the 67s, but I wouldn't say it's the case for the Greyhounds.

In 2017-2018 we had 17 year old Barrett Hayton centering our 3rd line. That was on a contender that went all the way to the OHL Finals. I don't think I would classify Barrett as a flop. Again this season, we are hopeful we are building a contender, and it seems 17 year old Bryce McConnell-Barker is carving out the same role for himself that Hayton did.

I think it really depends what part of the cycle your team is in when your young stud is 17. Ottawa is a younger team, and in a year probably described as a rebuilding year. I would suspect a case would be made on that team to play your 17 year old stud in the top 6. But there are definitely situations where that is not the case.

 

[dirty12]

Maybe that's the case for the 67s, but I wouldn't say it's the case for the Greyhounds.

In 2017-2018 we had 17 year old Barrett Hayton centering our 3rd line. That was on a contender that went all the way to the OHL Finals. I don't think I would classify Barrett as a flop. Again this season, we are hopeful we are building a contender, and it seems 17 year old Bryce McConnell-Barker is carving out the same role for himself that Hayton did.

I think it really depends what part of the cycle your team is in when your young stud is 17. Ottawa is a younger team, and in a year probably described as a rebuilding year. I would suspect a case would be made on that team to play your 17 year old stud in the top 6. But there are definitely situations where that is not the case.

many cases actually; excepting good for ~0.400 teams, 17 yr old goalies getting the majority of starts and F & D on the top two lines @17 are the top NHL prospects

 

[OMG67]

Maybe that's the case for the 67s, but I wouldn't say it's the case for the Greyhounds.

In 2017-2018 we had 17 year old Barrett Hayton centering our 3rd line. That was on a contender that went all the way to the OHL Finals. I don't think I would classify Barrett as a flop. Again this season, we are hopeful we are building a contender, and it seems 17 year old Bryce McConnell-Barker is carving out the same role for himself that Hayton did.

I think it really depends what part of the cycle your team is in when your young stud is 17. Ottawa is a younger team, and in a year probably described as a rebuilding year. I would suspect a case would be made on that team to play your 17 year old stud in the top 6. But there are definitely situations where that is not the case.

Generally speaking, 17 year old first round picks are typically playing a top 6 role on forward. The exception sometimes is centre depending on the depth. If they truly want to develop their strength at centre, you can see them play as the 3rd line centre but in most cases they would be playing with strong wingers that make that line a typical 2nd line on most other teams. Depending on the returning depth on the blueline, most are playing a top 4 role. Goalies are different though but not many are ever first round picks so…

Overall depth is a factor but, again, first round picks typically win all the coin tosses for favouritism. If you have a first rounder 17 year old or a 3rd round 18 year old and one winger spot, that spot usually goes to the first round pick 17 year old. Politics.

The exception, as you point out, is the championship calibre teams. In that instance, yes, it is likely they play more of a depth role but in those cases the depth plays at a higher level. The 3rd line on a championship team could have two point per game OA’s on it! Case in point, the Ottawa 67’s had Maksimovich and Chiodo on the 3rd line as OA’s.

The other exceptions are the 1st round busts.

In this case, I would say that most teams would likely have Moldenhauer as a Winger playing a top 6 role or at least a top 9 role on a very deep team where they roll out the top three lines evenly. On the stronger teams, Moldenhauer would potentially get passed over on the PP.

 

[beastintheeast]

In this case, I would say that most teams would likely have Moldenhauer as a Winger playing a top 6 role or at least a top 9 role on a very deep team where they roll out the top three lines evenly. On the stronger teams, Moldenhauer would potentially get passed over on the PP.

It will be interesting to see what happens but let's face it the draft picks from Sarnia do not help us next year. The only thing it might do is give us more picks for a trade.

Let's face it this is going to be a hard team for a rookie to make next year with all the returning players. I think the same can be said for a lot of teams next year.

I am also not convinced that wright will make the jump to the NHL next year. I think they may send him back. The last few 1st rounders have not had the impact that a lot of teams thought they would.

 

[OMG67]

It will be interesting to see what happens but let's face it the draft picks from Sarnia do not help us next year. The only thing it might do is give us more picks for a trade.

Let's face it this is going to be a hard team for a rookie to make next year with all the returning players. I think the same can be said for a lot of teams next year.

I am also not convinced that wright will make the jump to the NHL next year. I think they may send him back. The last few 1st rounders have not had the impact that a lot of teams thought they would.

I think you have it backwards. It is going to be a lot more difficult for veterans to keep their spots next year. If the assumption is all returning players make the roster, we don’t need any draft picks next year. We will already hav enough skaters to satisfy a full lineup with spares.

If we were to not add any players:

Johnston - Tolnai (OA) - Sirizzotti
Beck - Gaidamak - Stonehouse
Pinelli - Barlas - Rohrer
Gerrior - Laforme - Gardiner
Foster-Dever

Belanger (OA) - Matier
Sawyer - Gill-Shane
Smyth - Sirman
Mayich

Cranley (OA)
MacKenzie
Donoso

Let’s face it. Not all of these guys are coming back! Not by a long shot. On Forward, after the players on the 3rd line, I think it is likely Gardiner and Foster make the roster. I’m not certain the others will. I think all those D-Men return. I am not 100% sure about Cranley but Donoso and MacKenzie are likely.

 

[analyser]

13 players for Erie have tested positive for Covid. The team is shutdown. Cancelled games for Friday & Saturday, League will update concerning other games and rescheduling.

 

[beastintheeast]

I think you have it backwards. It is going to be a lot more difficult for veterans to keep their spots next year. If the assumption is all returning players make the roster, we don’t need any draft picks next year. We will already hav enough skaters to satisfy a full lineup with spares.

If we were to not add any players:

Johnston - Tolnai (OA) - Sirizzotti
Beck - Gaidamak - Stonehouse
Pinelli - Barlas - Rohrer
Gerrior - Laforme - Gardiner
Foster-Dever

Belanger (OA) - Matier
Sawyer - Gill-Shane
Smyth - Sirman
Mayich

Cranley (OA)
MacKenzie
Donoso

Let’s face it. Not all of these guys are coming back! Not by a long shot. On Forward, after the players on the 3rd line, I think it is likely Gardiner and Foster make the roster. I’m not certain the others will. I think all those D-Men return. I am not 100% sure about Cranley but Donoso and MacKenzie are likely.

That is why I think there is going to be a few trades this year. If not now then at the end of the year to open some spaces. I can see a D, F and Cranley/Donoso being available

 

[OMG67]

That is why I think there is going to be a few trades this year. If not now then at the end of the year to open some spaces. I can see a D, F and Cranley/Donoso being available

I’m not sure it makes much sense trading anyone this season. I think if the purpose is to develop, they need to get a feel for what they have and that means they need to play these guys.

I don’t think they will make a full on decision regarding their goaltending next year until Cranley is returned (if he is returned). That said, I believe he needs to be signed by June 1 so that will probably give us a pretty good understanding of where his status stands.

It will definitely be an interesting training camp and pre-season. They are set up to release or trade a couple guys based solely on numbers.

 

[HockeyPops]

Ottawa Sun: GLASS HALF FULL: Senators and 67's set to deal with provincial attendance restrictions.

Senators and 67's set to deal with provincial attendance restrictions | Ottawa Sun

Lol, how are the 67s managing with these restrictions?

 

[mianjo]

67's lose another, 4-1 to the Pete's

 

[OMG67]

Ottawa Sun: GLASS HALF FULL: Senators and 67's set to deal with provincial attendance restrictions.

Senators and 67's set to deal with provincial attendance restrictions | Ottawa Sun

Lol, how are the 67s managing with these restrictions?

67s are gonna have to figure out a way to sell more tickets…..

 

[OMG67]

It is getting pretty sad watching this team get mangled with so many key players out. I’m starting to feel sorry for them.

 

[sirius67fan]

Yeah not too fun to watch recently but things will get better after x-mas once the boys are back. Hard to win when arguably our best 3/4 forwards are not there. Can't say I'm too motivated to go to the game tonight. Could be a rough one against Oshawa.

 

[analyser]

As a season ticket holder I think it might be a good time to miss a couple of games. Not fun to watch when they are missing Beck, Rohrer, Gaidamak, etc. 1 goal is not going to win you many games and it is just not enjoyable to watch. Hopefully after xmas things will improve a lot.

 

[OMG67]

Well, from this point on, I am going to check Kenny’s Twitter post to see what the lineup is like before wasting time watching this garbage hockey.

5 minute power play with 3 and a half minutes left down by one and they didn’t even get a shot on net and what is worse, they didn’t even try to put a shot on net so not even an attempt. Just AWEFUL.

 

[beastintheeast]

Here is the really bad news. At this point IF all the other teams in the conf win, the games they have in hand Ottawa is in last place.
To be honest, if we can trade Cranley for an OA Defensive D or a faceoff specialist it would b worth it.

Ottawa needs to invest in a faceoff coach.

 

[OMG67]

Here is the really bad news. At this point IF all the other teams in the conf win, the games they have in hand Ottawa is in last place.
To be honest, if we can trade Cranley for an OA Defensive D or a faceoff specialist it would b worth it.

Ottawa needs to invest in a faceoff coach.

I think that is a little harsh.

Faceoff %:
1> Tolnai 55.6%
2> A. Johnston 55.2%
3> Gaidamak 51.7%

When everyone is back healthy, those will be the likely top 3 Centres. Barlas is likely to be the 4th centre and he is at 46.7%.

I will say it again that I have ZERO issues with our current roster now that they acquired A. Johnston to help solidify the centre position. I don’t feel we have any significant holes to fill. We just need all our players back.

T. Johnston - Tolnai - Sirizzotti
Beck - Gaidamak - Stonehouse
Robinson - A Johnston - Rohrer
Pinelli - Barlas - Varga

There is nothing particularly wrong with that as a starting lineup for a .550 team. There isn’t a prototypical first line but if/when Beck returns and starts putting up points, that line may rival a lot of first lines in the OHL. The goal is to get to the playoffs in the 4/5 slot and win a round. Get some experience.

Belanger - Matier
Sawyer - Gill-Shane
Smyth - Costantini

I like that top 6. It would be nice to have a Hoefenmayer’esque D-Man to run the PP and move the puck but not many teams have a player quite that good.

Cranley
Donoso
MacKenzie

I’ve been happy with Donoso. I do feel he could carry the load if necessary. That said, I really don’t think trading Cranley is a good idea unless they are getting a 2nd round pick to fill the one we are missing in 2023. Anything less and he is clearly more valuable for us on the roster than off it. If we ice a full lineup in the second half, we will spend far less time in our end and give up far less quality scoring opportunities. It makes not real sense trading him now. If you can get a 2nd round pick for him now, it is likely you’ll still get a 2nd round pick for him if he returns next season as an OA. Problem is, goalies typically don’t have high value.

 

[sirius67fan]

I'm losing confidence in cranley. Bad first goal today then let's in another one over in shoulder from a guy coming from the corner ( second like that in his last two starts). Granted both times it was good shots but with his size they shouldn't go in period. I know we have had a limited sample of Donoso but I think he might be the better goalie.
Now about Mr Robinson his indiscipline and mouth are killing us and he's not getting the message. Hard to bench him right now but he should ride the pine once we get bodies back. Starting to wonder if we should just trade him.

 

[sirius67fan]

Cherry on the sundae he just got another14 min of penalty. Incredible.

 

[NoQuit67s]

Break could not come at a better time.
Not sure it was expected, but having Gaidamak today back sure made the offense look that much better.

 

[OHLoutsider2020]

I'm losing confidence in cranley. Bad first goal today then let's in another one over in shoulder from a guy coming from the corner ( second like that in his last two starts). Granted both times it was good shots but with his size they shouldn't go in period. I know we have had a limited sample of Donoso but I think he might be the better goalie.
Now about Mr Robinson his indiscipline and mouth are killing us and he's not getting the message. Hard to bench him right now but he should ride the pine once we get bodies back. Starting to wonder if we should just trade him.

Trade him ? That’s a good one.

 

[OMG67]

I'm losing confidence in cranley. Bad first goal today then let's in another one over in shoulder from a guy coming from the corner ( second like that in his last two starts). Granted both times it was good shots but with his size they shouldn't go in period. I know we have had a limited sample of Donoso but I think he might be the better goalie.
Now about Mr Robinson his indiscipline and mouth are killing us and he's not getting the message. Hard to bench him right now but he should ride the pine once we get bodies back. Starting to wonder if we should just trade him.

Yeah, I don’t think there will be any significant takers for Cranley at this point.

I am still holding out hope for Robinson but it’s almost like he doesn’t care. Or, maybe he does and is frustrated but he lack of drive this team has now and is trying to do too much. I dunno, just trying to find some explanation.

I think one of the big things right now is the potential shut down. I can see the OHL not come back on time after Christmas. How that impacts things like trades and the trade deadline will be interesting.

I would probably not bother making any trades unless there is a seller deal involving Belanger or Costantini. ‘One traded this year and the other returns as an OA. I like Costantini because he is a righty and he plays a steady game. Belanger hasn’t really caught up yet after missing all that time. He leaves me wanting more right now. M?aybe my expectations were too high.

 

[sirius67fan]

Yeah, I don’t think there will be any significant takers for Cranley at this point.

I am still holding out hope for Robinson but it’s almost like he doesn’t care. Or, maybe he does and is frustrated but he lack of drive this team has now and is trying to do too much. I dunno, just trying to find some explanation.

I think one of the big things right now is the potential shut down. I can see the OHL not come back on time after Christmas. How that impacts things like trades and the trade deadline will be interesting.

I would probably not bother making any trades unless there is a seller deal involving Belanger or Costantini. ‘One traded this year and the other returns as an OA. I like Costantini because he is a righty and he plays a steady game. Belanger hasn’t really caught up yet after missing all that time. He leaves me wanting more right now. M?aybe my expectations were too high.

I know you like costantini and he is a good player butI don't see why the fact he's a rightie is a big factor. Next year we have Matier and Gill-Shame on the right of the first two pairing. Do you keep an OA to play third pairing? I know Belanger has had issues since his return but he missed like 11/2 yrs. He imo has way more upside than Costantini and will be our first pairing guy and pp quarterback next year. As for Robinson I'm like you just don't get it and why the coaching staff seems to let him get away with it.

 

[OMG67]

I know you like costantini and he is a good player butI don't see why the fact he's a rightie is a big factor. Next year we have Matier and Gill-Shame on the right of the first two pairing. Do you keep an OA to play third pairing? I know Belanger has had issues since his return but he missed like 11/2 yrs. He imo has way more upside than Costantini and will be our first pairing guy and pp quarterback next year. As for Robinson I'm like you just don't get it and why the coaching staff seems to let him get away with it.

If Belanger nets a solid return, I think you look at it.

Costantini has looked pretty decent with the puck. Better than I anticipated.

If the return on Belanger (plus an additional conditional 2nd for his return next year) is good, I think you seriously have to look at it. Two 2nds and a 3rd is possible depending on the defence market near the deadline when you factor is the conditional 2nd for him returning as an OA. That replaces the picks in 2023 we are missing and gives us some trade capital going forward.

Matier is likely to play the top PP unit with a forward. I see Belanger more likely playing 2nd PP unit. I think Sawyer can play that role next year. Besides, next year will be a good year but it is the first of two or three competitive window seasons so probably not poised to be a championship calibre team. It is the following year that is more likely the pusher team. Sirizzotti, Johnston, Gill-Shane and Sawyer all strong possibilities as OA’s that season. We will have a decent 19 year old group and two 17 year old first rounders (one probably pretty high). The defence will be stacked with vets (three 19 y/o and possibly two OA’s).

The potential return for Belanger would really help that season for draft capital. Hopefully ‘Moldenhauer reports to Sarnia for next season too.