Proposal: OTT sends Brady Tkachuk, Shane Pinto to NYI for Matthew Barzal, Noah Dobson

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Until they realize they get stuck in Canada.

America is an absolute trash country, too, though, so no loss on that front. Unless you just mean the low taxes and skyhigh income inequality?

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

As for the value, I think people are letting Brady’s 4 Nations performance give them rose tinted glasses. I personally love him and think he’s a great player who I would love to have on my team, but him and Barzal, while different players, are extremely close in terms of production and value and their numbers over their careers show that. Brady being the better scorer and playing a physical game does carry weight and I do agree he’s probably a bit more valuable, but the difference between him and Barzal is nowhere close to the difference between Dobson and Pinto. That gap puts this in favor of Ottawa IMO, although I do understand Sens fans not wanting to trade Brady.

Dobson’s value is not that high to a team if he plans to walk them to UFA in a year via arbitration, which is almost certainly what Dobson would do with Ottawa. That is definitely not worth Pinto, even if the immediate benefits could be huge.

Not sure there is more than a small handful of teams, regardless of their situation at C, who takes Barzal over Brady. The fact that Barzal has a 22 team NTC and Brady has no trade protection widens that gap

 

[Coffee]

Dobson’s value is not that high to a team if he plans to walk them to UFA in a year via arbitration, which is almost certainly what Dobson would do with Ottawa. That is definitely not worth Pinto, even if the immediate benefits could be huge.

Not sure there is more than a small handful of teams, regardless of their situation at C, who takes Barzal over Brady. The fact that Barzal has a 22 team NTC and Brady has no trade protection widens that gap

Your profile avatar is so funny

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Your profile avatar is so funny

What is the magic that makes ones eyes
Sparkle and gleam, light up the skies?
The name of the game is lightworks

Have you ever heard the original song? Its pretty trippy

 

[impaaaaaact]

Dobson’s value is not that high to a team if he plans to walk them to UFA in a year via arbitration, which is almost certainly what Dobson would do with Ottawa. That is definitely not worth Pinto, even if the immediate benefits could be huge.

Huh? Why do you assume he would walk them to UFA? He's Canadian and the Sens are in a better situation than the Isles right now, so if they can pay him why wouldn't he stay?

Also, can't Pinto do the same thing in 2 years? He's American (from LI actually) and probably more likely to try and force his way out than a Canadian player.

While each team has their own situation and needs, Dobson's value in the league is >>>>>>>> Pinto right now.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Huh? Why do you assume he would walk them to UFA? He's Canadian and the Sens are in a better situation than the Isles right now, so if they can pay him why wouldn't he stay?

Also, can't Pinto do the same thing in 2 years? He's American (from LI actually) and probably more likely to try and force his way out than a Canadian player.

While each team has their own situation and needs, Dobson's value in the league is >>>>>>>> Pinto right now.

I assume it because I don't think we can pay premium $ for him and he is perfectly set up to get premium $. We would need to blow up half of our D core for it to make sense. Just too many moving deck chairs. He can opt for arbitration and really force our hand. Sens have been burned like that too many times.

Pinto wont command nearly that much $ and we will have more cap flexibility. I could be wrong, but I also think he has two years to UFA after his contract expires. He will still be under 27 and only have 4 or 5 accrued seasons.

Dobson is definitely in another tier of asset than Pinto, I definitely agree with that, but Ottawa would be creating a Chychrun 2.0 situation... albeit without giving up quite as much, and while receiving a far better player in return.

 

[Chardo]

Doesn't Pinto explode if hit from behind?

 

[Bizz]

nevermind the hilarious overpayment for Ottawa, when was the last time two captains were traded for one another?

Doesn't look like something that happens very often.

 

[impaaaaaact]

I assume it because I don't think we can pay premium $ for him and he is perfectly set up to get premium $. We would need to blow up half of our D core for it to make sense. Just too many moving deck chairs. He can opt for arbitration and really force our hand. Sens have been burned like that too many times.

Pinto wont command nearly that much $ and we will have more cap flexibility. I could be wrong, but I also think he has two years to UFA after his contract expires. He will still be under 27 and only have 4 or 5 accrued seasons.

Dobson is definitely in another tier of asset than Pinto, I definitely agree with that, but Ottawa would be creating a Chychrun 2.0 situation... albeit without giving up quite as much, and while receiving a far better player in return.

I hear ya

nevermind the hilarious overpayment for Ottawa, when was the last time two captains were traded for one another?

Doesn't look like something that happens very often.

not sure and it wouldn't happen in this trade either

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

Not sure there is more than a small handful of teams, regardless of their situation at C, who takes Barzal over Brady. The fact that Barzal has a 22 team NTC and Brady has no trade protection widens that gap

Brady has no trade protection for 120 days. After that he's got 1,000 days of no movement kicking in, kinda shortening the gap....unless you're a team that loves having absolutely no leverage.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Brady has no trade protection for 120 days. After that he's got 1,000 days of no movement kicking in, kinda shortening the gap....unless you're a team that loves having absolutely no leverage.

Sure, but you can work with the team and the player at a certain point in the process. And many teams have a 3 year window, where they don't really care if Brady wants to build a life there. It's not like he will sit out.

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

Sure, but you can work with the team and the player at a certain point in the process. And many teams have a 3 year window, where they don't really care if Brady wants to build a life there. It's not like he will sit out.

I don't know if work with the player requires more than asking the player where he wants to go, then trying to get the most out of that team instead of a bidding war where the price is jacked up automatically.

To your second point, I completely agree. I can understand the 7-8 year contracts and NMC's from a player's perspective but as a GM I don't know why you'd want to do that...unless you're talking about Connor McDavid or someone in an upper tier.

I'd rather have him for three more years and then get a 1st and a decent prospect in his walk year. If Ottawa wants to rebuild then I'd understand moving him but I wouldn't think they're at that point, especially being in a playoff push.

 

[miscs75]

Doesn't Pinto explode if hit from behind?

What’s the odds on Draft Kings of that happening?

 

[periferal]

As an Islander fan if a trade like this happened I would know that Lou is no longer the GM.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Guys are really underrating Dobson. He’s a top 10 d in NHL.

 

[Kegs]

Guys are really underrating Dobson. He’s a top 10 d in NHL.

Interesting. I didn’t realize Dobson was top ten D. Didn’t have him in my top 10. But it’s hard to gauge. I only see a few nyi games a year and I never thought about him much until now.

America is an absolute trash country, too, though, so no loss on that front. Unless you just mean the low taxes and skyhigh income inequality?

Ya but when you’re rich how bad is “income inequality”

 

[Kegs]

Calling Barzal injury prone is a stretch. By the end of this season he'll have missed about 1 season's worth of time in 8 seasons, and half of those games will be from fracturing his leg blocking a shot. I think that's called being a professional hockey player.

Calling Dobson injury prone is insanity. He's missed like maybe 15-20 games due to injury in 6 seasons. He was healthy scratched a few times his first two seasons - those were also covid seasons so the GP might look low if you ignore the context.

Fun fact, Shane Pinto missed more games due to suspension last season alone than Barzal had missed due to injury in his entire career up to this season. Is Pinto "suspension prone"? All of this is a big non factor.

Barzal is injury prone. 8 nhl seasons. 4 he missed significant time with injuries no?

 

[Sparksrus3]

Ottawa hangs up and throws the phone in the trash

Why would you throw your own phone away ? You would have to go buy another phone

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

This is the kind of thread that we will up in a few years and laugh about it, after Brady's hype settles down... No way in hell I'm giving a young #1D and a #1C for Pinto and Brady.

 

[TkachukNorris79]

Pretty sure you've already stopped hearing that....you are just living in the past.

Dude, you really posted this in a thread involving Pinto going to NYI. Couldn't be more present than that

Guys are really underrating Dobson. He’s a top 10 d in NHL.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, I've always been a huge fan of Dobson, since the year before his draft year. That being said, Dobson is arguably not even a Top 10 D from Canada, let alone Top 10 in the league. At least not yet.

NYI watch him more than anyone so maybe he has that potential (like sens fans talk about Sanderson) but he's definitely not there yet.

 

[WangMustGo]

America is an absolute trash country, too, though, so no loss on that front. Unless you just mean the low taxes and skyhigh income inequality?

Sure buddy if you keep telling yourself that, one day you might just believe it.

 

[Coffee]

Sure buddy if you keep telling yourself that, one day you might just believe it.

that’s how it actually works though, so maybe don’t give him that advice? That’s filled with some hate !?


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Sorry @WangMustGo

Not my place to say anything

 

[kanucks25]

Guys are really underrating Dobson. He’s a top 10 d in NHL.

He was maybe a top-10 D-man last season, but that's 1 year out of his ~6 year career.

Until he strings together a couple seasons like that, he's not in that category.

Right now he's just a good young D-man with excellent potential.

 

[LeapOnOver]

Dude, you really posted this in a thread involving Pinto going to NYI. Couldn't be more present than that

As I mentioned in an earlier post, I've always been a huge fan of Dobson, since the year before his draft year. That being said, Dobson is arguably not even a Top 10 D from Canada, let alone Top 10 in the league. At least not yet.

NYI watch him more than anyone so maybe he has that potential (like sens fans talk about Sanderson) but he's definitely not there yet.

From a neutral fan with many actual Islander fans in the thread saying they aren't that interested in Pinto. Dude, what can be more telling than that?

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

Barzal is injury prone. 8 nhl seasons. 4 he missed significant time with injuries no?

2. Not counting the pandemic years, basically. He played 68 and 55 games during the pandemic which seems in line since Tkachuk played 71 and 56 in those same seasons.