Proposal: Ott & NYI

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@user26

Fair enough mate, like I said I understand the desire to get the best possible return for Duchene. Fans in your position do have a tendency to get picky about another team's prospects "Bellows? Ho-Sang? No thanks I want Wahlstrom" like it's something you order off a menu but - especially for rentals - 99.6% of the time, these deals include those second-tier prospects and not the ones considered "untouchables".

It's just that once in a blue moon someone trades Forsberg for Erat so everyone gets their hopes up.

 

[periferal]

So seems like there is a very negative reaction to trading Dobson. If not him who is your highest prospect you would fit in his place?

Josh Ho-Sang. When he's on time for practice he's amazing. You'll love him.

Deal?

 

[Isles Drive For 5]

I usually just read through these threads, but I have to reply to this one, and not really due to the OP itself. I’d like to start off by saying I’m an Isles fan.

What is wrong with some of you people on this site? Why do some of you get so nasty over other peoples’ trade proposals? If you don’t like the trade, simply say no thanks, and give a reason why, no need to belittle the OP over it.

A few classic HFboards posting tendancies are on display in this particular forum:

A.) Not reading the OP in its entirety (in this case, not seeing that it said a “signed” duchene) and immediately posting in over-emotional response that can basically be translated as “OP, I think you’re an idiot”

B.) Acting as if it is an absolute given that the prospect of the team you root for is gauranteed to be the next coming of Dennis Potvin, and shaming a poster of a different team for not sharing the same view.

C.) Immediately replying in a snaughty tone with “this trade would never happen, why even post it” kinds of comments. This is a message board, where people come to discuss hypothetical scenarios. Yeah, this trade might never happen in real life, but whats wrong with people discussing the “what if” aspect of these kinds of proposals? Why immediately insult the OP because he’s curious what would be equal value, if such a deal were to actually be made?

Some if you need to get a grip. I guess some of you didn’t learn from last year, where myself, and several other Isles fans, pointed out that the team might be better off for trading Tavares for a couple of first round picks, and we got absolutely ripped and mocked over it. Everybody just calm down, and start showing fellow posters some more respect. If you can’t do that, then maybe its time to find a new hobby.

As far as the OP, for a signed Duchene, I personally would say the actual value is not that far off. That said, as an Isles fan, I would not do it, because I think Dobson could be a stud, and because I am more interested in our long term success than simply a stretch run this year.

 

[periferal]

I think the HF Boards community, as well and NHL fans everywhere, need to get in their heads that "sign and trade" are NOT happening. Aside from the fact they've barely happened since the newest CBA came into effect, with Tavares opening up the idea of the high-end UFA going to market, now you're going to see more and more players do exactly that.

There is ZERO incentive for almost any high-end UFA to not test the market. If the team wants him now, they're going to want him in July, and he'll likely get a bigger contract when he can leverage other teams also offering him a deal.

Sign & trade is a myth. It's the unicorn of NHL fans' discussions. All proposals should just be for the player as a rental only.

 

[boredmale]

It's just that once in a blue moon someone trades Forsberg for Erat so everyone gets their hopes up.

While this was a terrible trade in hindsight, it should be noted Erat had a season+ left on his contract so it wasn't a rental.

 

[KrisBeKreame]

While this was a terrible trade in hindsight, it should be noted Erat had a season+ left on his contract so it wasn't a rental.

When I looked it up last week I think I remember 2 years left(beyond that season) on his deal and had demanded a trade out of Nashville.

 

[boredmale]

When I looked it up last week I think I remember 2 years left(beyond that season) on his deal and had demanded a trade out of Nashville.

I could be wrong, I just remember this wasn't your typical playoff rental given the amount of time left on Erat's deal

 

[CREW99AW]

I usually just read through these threads, but I have to reply to this one, and not really due to the OP itself. I’d like to start off by saying I’m an Isles fan.

What is wrong with some of you people on this site? Why do some of you get so nasty over other peoples’ trade proposals? If you don’t like the trade, simply say no thanks, and give a reason why, no need to belittle the OP over it.

A few classic HFboards posting tendancies are on display in this particular forum:

A.) Not reading the OP in its entirety (in this case, not seeing that it said a “signed” duchene) and immediately posting in over-emotional response that can basically be translated as “OP, I think you’re an idiot”

B.) Acting as if it is an absolute given that the prospect of the team you root for is gauranteed to be the next coming of Dennis Potvin, and shaming a poster of a different team for not sharing the same view.

C.) Immediately replying in a snaughty tone with “this trade would never happen, why even post it” kinds of comments. This is a message board, where people come to discuss hypothetical scenarios. Yeah, this trade might never happen in real life, but whats wrong with people discussing the “what if” aspect of these kinds of proposals? Why immediately insult the OP because he’s curious what would be equal value, if such a deal were to actually be made?

Some if you need to get a grip. I guess some of you didn’t learn from last year, where myself, and several other Isles fans, pointed out that the team might be better off for trading Tavares for a couple of first round picks, and we got absolutely ripped and mocked over it. Everybody just calm down, and start showing fellow posters some more respect. If you can’t do that, then maybe its time to find a new hobby.

As far as the OP, for a signed Duchene, I personally would say the actual value is not that far off. That said, as an Isles fan, I would not do it, because I think Dobson could be a stud, and because I am more interested in our long term success than simply a stretch run this year.

How many threads/discussions have we had were it's pointed out that teams rarely move bluechippers for rentals?
Especially, on a crowded buyer's market.

How many times have Duchene's own comments indicating he is looking forward to testing the market ,have been posted ( and ignored).

Because Ottawa's GM badly overpaid to land Duchene does not mean other fanbases want to do so.

4th Period has a new rumor that Lou is dangling his 1st, Bellows,JHS and MDC .
I would not even be happy losing Bellows +1st unless the player coming to LI had term .

 

[Isles Drive For 5]

So because there’s been (x) amount of previous threads on this subject, that justifies anyone who wants to be nasty to the OP? Maybe the OP has a demanding work schedule, and doesn’t have time to read every last post on the HFboards website. Maybe he had a few minutes free during a break, and decided to post an idea of his. Because it’s not to yours, or other posters likings, he deserves the be ripped to shreads, on a personal level? Come on, enough with the “he should know better” mentality. If I didn’t know any better, I’d think some people on here really think they are Lamoriello.

How many threads/discussions have we had were it's pointed out that teams rarely move bluechippers for rentals?
Especially, on a crowded buyer's market.

How many times have Duchene's own comments indicating he is looking forward to testing the market ,have been posted ( and ignored).

Because Ottawa's GM badly overpaid to land Duchene does not mean other fanbases want to do so.

4th Period has a new rumor that Lou is dangling his 1st, Bellows,JHS and MDC .
I would not even be happy losing Bellows +1st unless the player coming to LI had term .

 

[not a troll]

So because there’s been (x) amount of previous threads on this subject, that justifies anyone who wants to be nasty to the OP? Maybe the OP has a demanding work schedule, and doesn’t have time to read every last post on the HFboards website. Maybe he had a few minutes free during a break, and decided to post an idea of his. Because it’s not to yours, or other posters likings, he deserves the be ripped to shreads, on a personal level? Come on, enough with the “he should know better” mentality. If I didn’t know any better, I’d think some people on here really think they are Lamoriello.

You're preaching civility in an uncivilized corner of the internet.

 

[GrandmaSlices51631]

Duchene loves the outdoors, drives a big truck, grew up in a small town, and is just starting a family. Does that sound like someone who NYC would appeal to?

Duchene puts up great numbers - but his presence hasn't exactly translated to team success in recent years. Could just be a coincidence but I'm not sure he is the best fit for the NYI organization, I kind of get a Tavares-lite vibe from him. That's not a knock on his skillset at all.

OP didn't say what Duchene is signed for either - thats a huge factor in a addition to what your saying, do I want a guy out of his element on the team long term? It's probably only a matter of time before he is sour on LI.

 

[CREW99AW]

So because there’s been (x) amount of previous threads on this subject, that justifies anyone who wants to be nasty to the OP? Maybe the OP has a demanding work schedule, and doesn’t have time to read every last post on the HFboards website. Maybe he had a few minutes free during a break, and decided to post an idea of his. Because it’s not to yours, or other posters likings, he deserves the be ripped to shreads, on a personal level? Come on, enough with the “he should know better” mentality. If I didn’t know any better, I’d think some people on here really think they are Lamoriello.

Has he had a demanding schedule for years? Must have not to realize how rarely blue chippers are moved for rentals.

And the idea that one of the Sens 2 stars, scheduled to become ufas, states how intrigued he is by the ufa process but Sens fans have not discussed it ix a real stretch. Almost as much az the repeated " it will be no problem to extend him"

 

[Taluss]

So its possible that he would be extended by the Isles. He doesn't need to be valued as purely a rental in all cases.

 

[Strait2thecup]

The tradeboards are really something on this site.

Honestly asking, when is the last time a rental returned a teams A level prospects?

It just doesn’t happen very often at all

 

[CREW99AW]

So its possible

Go read Friedman's latesr.
He specifically mentions that if Nashville trades for Duchene, both sides will try to get an extension done.

must have run out of space and been umable to write that if the Isles acquired Duchene, that Duchene would try to get an extension done with Lou

 

[saintunspecified]

So its possible

obligated to explain: trade and maybe sign is not the same as sign and trade.

(And, frankly, if I was a player or an agent there is every reason for me to say that I am open to an extension and also every reason never to accept a sign and trade).

 

[Taluss]

The tradeboards are really something on this site.

Honestly asking, when is the last time a rental returned a teams A level prospects?

It just doesn’t happen very often at all

An honest question back from me: When was the last time a 1c/ 1b was traded at the TDL? Could be a lot or not much at all honestly not sure.

Again... In this scenario I mentioned a signed Duchene

 

[Taluss]

obligated to explain: trade and maybe sign is not the same as sign and trade.

(And, frankly, if I was a player or an agent there is every reason for me to say that I am open to an extension and also every reason never to accept a sign and trade).

Smh realized. Referring to those who dont think there is a chance he would sign with the Isles

 

[GrandmaSlices51631]

Smh realized. Referring to those who dont think there is a chance he would sign with the Isles

I think danos point was that "chance" and "contract" are very different

 

[saintunspecified]

Smh realized. Referring to those who dont think there is a chance he would sign with the Isles

Don't use a pronoun ambiguously and then complain when someone misinterprets it. I don't read minds. Even so, Duchene saying he is willing to work out an extension is meaningless. Duchene will be valued as a rental except maybe Ottawa gets a conditional pick if he resigns with the acquiring team. But whether get that will only depend on the rental market for Duchene, and not on anything Duchene says.

 

[seabass45]

Mentioned this before but the whole purpose of tagging a proposal with an assumed extension is to bump up the quality of the return for the selling team, and the fact of the matter is that it doesn't happen often. So of course these threads devolve into a mess because the buying team is never interested in unloading their top prospect for what they still see as a rental, in spite of what the OP is saying. It doesn't matter if you say "but he'll be extended", because the buying team doesn't believe it, you're selling a hypothetical that is unlikely given what's happened in the past.

In any case, I don't think Dobson is happening with or without a Duchene extension, and I think all offers on the table will be with the assumption that there WON'T be an extension.

 

[Phil120362]

So its possible

Then go tell Brisson to draw up the contract,and sign it

 

[OVO16]

He'll be an Islander

 

[Phil120362]

Hi Pat? Lou here,I'd like to trade for your player,can you draw up a Contract?,Dial tone, just like with pajamas

 

[doublechili]

This thread is probably similar to discussions between Dorian and Lou.

"Dobson"

"No"

We'll see what actually ends up happening....