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OTT 5 - LAK 3: 7 defenseman or a 3rd nipple? You Decide.

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Brad Doty said:
Sure, let's use the worst game the Kings have played since the opening of the season and a 3rd game in 4 nights across the country two days after ANOTHER 3 in 4 to make that statement.

Shore has plenty of room to grow but that third line has been possession-DOMINANT this year. Like literally best in the league possession line dominant. Doesn't mean it can't upgrade, but I'm with Herby here, there are certainly worse things and getting an 'upgrade' on Shore is not only likely expensive and not guaranteed to make anything better happen with Brown/lewis/King but it's also shortsighted when watching how rapidly he's developing. And keep in mind I was pretty down on Shore before the season, the guy is becoming a better player than I thought right before our eyes.

Now if he were pushed down to the 4th sure, that would be better, but it's not going to be cheap to do that and there's not really any guarantees the third line can be better than they already are without a full makeover. In other words, Shore is not an issue.
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Shore is yet to show he can produce. This will be required by a 3rd line if the Kings want another cup. That is a problem.

3rd line just got ripped apart last game. He still has a ways to go. Will he be able to shut down P.Kane on the road in the playoffs? I have my doubts.

I would not bet on Shore for a cup run this year. The question is will Lombardi. You think Lombardi is good with the center depth on this team?

Fancy stats: If they were one of the most dominant lines in the league they'd have more then 6 goals (2 empty nets) combined.

Brown -4
Shore -8
Lewis -6

Backed by one of the best defenses in the league. The only thing those guys are dominating is the Suck. Combined -18 for one of the most dominant lines in the league? In science the first thing you ask is do the numbers make sense. If they don't make sense you then ask why. Is there something skewing the numbers? I think you need to look into your fancy numbers and figure out why one of the most dominant lines isn't dominating. I guess it's bad luck, they'll start scoring any time here. Lewis is going to light it up when he gets back. Brown will pull out of his multi year slump. Shore, maybe there's hope for Shore still.

Oh yeah.... the 3rd line needing a makeover, being able to afford the makeover and Shore being the "best" stop gap doesn't mean he won't be an issue come playoffs. Really? A rookie going up against say the Stars top line? How do you think that's going to go? :popcorn:
 
Trolfoli said:
Shore is yet to show he can produce. This will be required by a 3rd line if the Kings want another cup. That is a problem.

3rd line just got ripped apart last game. He still has a ways to go. Will he be able to shut down P.Kane on the road in the playoffs? I have my doubts.

I would not bet on Shore for a cup run this year. The question is will Lombardi. You think Lombardi is good with the center depth on this team?

Fancy stats: If they were one of the most dominant lines in the league they'd have more then 6 goals (2 empty nets) combined.

Brown -4
Shore -8
Lewis -6

Backed by one of the best defenses in the league. The only thing those guys are dominating is the Suck. Combined -18 for one of the most dominant lines in the league? In science the first thing you ask is do the numbers make sense. If they don't make sense you then ask why. Is there something skewing the numbers? I think you need to look into your fancy numbers and figure out why one of the most dominant lines isn't dominating. I guess it's bad luck, they'll start scoring any time here. Lewis is going to light it up when he gets back. Brown will pull out of his multi year slump. Shore, maybe there's hope for Shore still.

Oh yeah.... the 3rd line needing a makeover, being able to afford the makeover and Shore being the "best" stop gap doesn't mean he won't be an issue come playoffs. Really? A rookie going up against say the Stars top line? How do you think that's going to go? :popcorn:
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To the first--burden of proof is on you buddy. You're the one using one road game and +/- as an example of why these guys aren't good. I agree they need to produce, but they're playing a major minute and time eating role which is huge for a possession team. But I'll give you a hint--most of Shore's "-" happened in the first few games and in this last game.

To the second, find me a third line around the league that will do more than tread water against Benn-Seguin-Nichuskin. If that's your bar for 'good third line' I think you may need to check your expectations.
 
Brad Doty said:
Sure, let's use the worst game the Kings have played since the opening of the season and a 3rd game in 4 nights across the country two days after ANOTHER 3 in 4 to make that statement.

Shore has plenty of room to grow but that third line has been possession-DOMINANT this year. Like literally best in the league possession line dominant. Doesn't mean it can't upgrade, but I'm with Herby here, there are certainly worse things and getting an 'upgrade' on Shore is not only likely expensive and not guaranteed to make anything better happen with Brown/lewis/King but it's also shortsighted when watching how rapidly he's developing. And keep in mind I was pretty down on Shore before the season, the guy is becoming a better player than I thought right before our eyes.

Now if he were pushed down to the 4th sure, that would be better, but it's not going to be cheap to do that and there's not really any guarantees the third line can be better than they already are without a full makeover. In other words, Shore is not an issue.
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Shore is another wonder Stat God like Muzzin.

The advance metrics don't lie with possession beasts. Shore is driving the third line, it's why he remains on the roster despite ZERO production.

Honestly, Shore is another Trevor Lewis so far. Who is faster, younger, cheaper, and Dominates the Circle some games.
 
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Trolfoli said:
Shore is yet to show he can produce. This will be required by a 3rd line if the Kings want another cup. That is a problem.

3rd line just got ripped apart last game. He still has a ways to go. Will he be able to shut down P.Kane on the road in the playoffs? I have my doubts.

I would not bet on Shore for a cup run this year. The question is will Lombardi. You think Lombardi is good with the center depth on this team?

Fancy stats: If they were one of the most dominant lines in the league they'd have more then 6 goals (2 empty nets) combined.

Brown -4
Shore -8
Lewis -6

Backed by one of the best defenses in the league. The only thing those guys are dominating is the Suck. Combined -18 for one of the most dominant lines in the league? In science the first thing you ask is do the numbers make sense. If they don't make sense you then ask why. Is there something skewing the numbers? I think you need to look into your fancy numbers and figure out why one of the most dominant lines isn't dominating. I guess it's bad luck, they'll start scoring any time here. Lewis is going to light it up when he gets back. Brown will pull out of his multi year slump. Shore, maybe there's hope for Shore still.

Oh yeah.... the 3rd line needing a makeover, being able to afford the makeover and Shore being the "best" stop gap doesn't mean he won't be an issue come playoffs. Really? A rookie going up against say the Stars top line? How do you think that's going to go? :popcorn:
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+- has to be applied with context, it's a garbage stat, when not applied correctly. You could be Drew Doughty with bad +- due to odd production.

Honestly the Kings have won two cups, with subpar bottom six production.

The Hawks have also won Two, that 2010 team was stacked.

No one's bottom six since that 2010 Hawks team, has been a stellar producer.

Sure some bottom sixes pitch in, that's the idea, and the Kings bottom six did in 2012/2014.

This is not the 80's, Bottom six players don't score 30 Goals, they don't even score 15 on average. If you have someone in your bottom six that is around 35-40 points, that is an anomaly in today's NHL.
 
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Brad Doty said:
To the first--burden of proof is on you buddy. You're the one using one road game and +/- as an example of why these guys aren't good. I agree they need to produce, but they're playing a major minute and time eating role which is huge for a possession team. But I'll give you a hint--most of Shore's "-" happened in the first few games and in this last game.

To the second, find me a third line around the league that will do more than tread water against Benn-Seguin-Nichuskin. If that's your bar for 'good third line' I think you may need to check your expectations.
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It's amazing right ?

So you mean to tell me bottom six players are going to struggle facing the most dominant line since Sedin/Sedin/Burrows (in their prime) ?

Hold the phone, didn't know that. People need to get the idea out of their head that cup teams have no holes. In the cap era, EVERY team has holes.

Comical at this point.
 
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One more,

Never mind we ignore the fact that just this last week in Pitt, The 4th line of the Kings, ATE CROSBY's Line ALIVE, all night long.
 
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