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Maybe to rest his D which had been out there for awhile down the stretch

You give Mahomes an extra down if you score and let him know exactly what he needs to beat you. You also give KC the option to go for 2 if SF had gotten a touchdown and KC answered, which they may have done because it goes to sudden death after that.

The rules are pretty similar to college other than where you start, I’ve never once seen a college team take the ball first.
 
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You give Mahomes an extra down if you score and let him know exactly what he needs to beat you. You also give KC the option to go for 2 if SF had gotten a touchdown and KC answered, which they may have done because it goes to sudden death after that.

The rules are pretty similar to college other than where you start, I’ve never once seen a college team take the ball first.
Ya it was a very suspect decision. The blitz on 3rd and 7 was also a big gamble that did not pay off.
 

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Ya it was a very suspect decision. The blitz on 3rd and 7 was also a big gamble that did not pay off.

I'm all for coaches getting cute in the big games, it's about the only way to demonstrate you're here to win if you're not literally on the field...the blitz call no problem. The trick plays, no problem. But I'm with Herby on that decision, I don't see the risk/reward, the only reason is to rest the D but even then..
 
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I don’t know if you will ever see a bigger coaching blunder than what we just saw from Shanahan. How on Earth do you take the ball first? Was he unaware of the playoff OT rules? Was there a miscommunication between Warner and Shanahan? It’s the only thing I can think of.

I’m at a total loss as to what he was thinking, it makes zero sense.
A lot of things didn't make sense today. Abandoning the run, Not utilizing the sheer amount of weapons they had. Changing the defensive scheme away from what was working in the first half.
 
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I'm all for coaches getting cute in the big games, it's about the only way to demonstrate you're here to win if you're not literally on the field...the blitz call no problem. The trick plays, no problem. But I'm with Herby on that decision, I don't see the risk/reward, the only reason is to rest the D but even then..
I wasn't implying that was a good decision to take the ball.. just trying to figure out why they did it.
 
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I don’t know if you will ever see a bigger coaching blunder than what we just saw from Shanahan. How on Earth do you take the ball first? Was he unaware of the playoff OT rules? Was there a miscommunication between Warner and Shanahan? It’s the only thing I can think of.

I’m at a total loss as to what he was thinking, it makes zero sense.
With all due respect they wouldn't even get a chance if they let KC get the ball first. I thought it was the right choice. Mahomes ate them up in the second half. They would have lost anyways if they let the Chiefs get the ball first.
 

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With all due respect they wouldn't even get a chance if they let KC get the ball first. I thought it was the right choice. Mahomes ate them up in the second half. They would have lost anyways if they let the Chiefs get the ball first.
The new OT rules for playoff games are more like college. Both teams get a possession unless the first possession ends on a safety. There's no risk in letting KC have the ball first.
 
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The new OT rules for playoff games are more like college. Both teams get a possession unless the first possession ends on a safety. There's no risk in letting KC have the ball first.
I get the OT rule, all I'm saying is Mahomes was having a great second half, and he's one of the greatest QB's of all time. Niners Defense wasn't as strong as they were the first half. You don't even get a chance in my opinion if you let Mahomes take the ball first. Kc scores and it's over. Chiefs D was good but they were allowing San Fran to get pretty far down the field. I thought it was the right call to take the ball first. Either way they lost but getting the first crack in OT was the right choice. They just couldn't stop Number 15.
 

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I get the OT rule, all I'm saying is Mahomes was having a great second half, and he's one of the greatest QB's of all time. Niners Defense wasn't as strong as they were the first half. You don't even get a chance in my opinion if you let Mahomes take the ball first. Kc scores and it's over. Chiefs D was good but they were allowing San Fran to get pretty far down the field. I thought it was the right call to take the ball first. Either way they lost but getting the first crack in OT was the right choice. They just couldn't stop Number 15.

No, if KC scores, then SF has possession and has a chance, the game does not end.
 

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No, if KC scores, then SF has possession and has a chance, the game does not end.
The new OT rules for playoff games are more like college. Both teams get a possession unless the first possession ends on a safety. There's no risk in letting KC have the ball first.
My bad you're right thanks for the clarification. I stand corrected. Either way I still think they would have lost. Mahomes is on another level that you just can't compete with.
 
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I’m not sure why ANYONE would voluntarily be a field goal kicker in the nfl. Sit on your ass for 98% of the game and then come in and blow it for your entire team and fan base. Moody’s gotta be on suicicide watch after that botched extra point.
 

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I’m not sure why ANYONE would voluntarily be a field goal kicker in the nfl. Sit on your ass for 98% of the game and then come in and blow it for your entire team and fan base. Moody’s gotta be on suicicide watch after that botched extra point.
I guess if all youre good at is kicking a football, thats maximizing your $$ earnings to the max. I agree thats such a weird gig - I couldnt do it. You're this little ball kicking nerd that can maybe bench 150 lbs around a bunch of goliaths that you dont even practice with... they always show the players during a key kick with this helpless look on their faces. Its strange aspect of football. The source is Rugby but I think all players get to kick the ball .. not like they have a specialist.
 

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I’m not sure why ANYONE would voluntarily be a field goal kicker in the nfl. Sit on your ass for 98% of the game and then come in and blow it for your entire team and fan base. Moody’s gotta be on suicicide watch after that botched extra point.
Missing the extra point was a blessing. If they had the 4pt lead, Mahomes gets the TD for the regulation win instead of kicking the FG to tie and force OT.
 

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Missing the extra point was a blessing. If they had the 4pt lead, Mahomes gets the TD for the regulation win instead of kicking the FG to tie and force OT.
And in this alternate universe of yours with zero evidence what was the blessing? That the 49ers lost either way but got to live a little longer in this timeline?

Mahomes is very good but he’s not infallible. Extra pressure with little time in the clock usually isn’t a good thing.
 

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And in this alternate universe of yours with zero evidence what was the blessing? That the 49ers lost either way but got to live a little longer in this timeline?

Mahomes is very good but he’s not infallible. Extra pressure with little time in the clock usually isn’t a good thing.
And in what alternate universe is making the extra point the difference? You think Andy Reid kicks a field goal to lose by 1 point?
 

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Vegas got cooked by the 4th and OT. The public was on KC and the over and it looked like it was going to be SF and the under.

As far as kicking, yeah not a great xp attempt by Moody, but he did have two 50+ yard fgs. SF was let down way more by their coach than anything else.
 
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Vegas got cooked by the 4th and OT. The public was on KC and the over and it looked like it was going to be SF and the under.

As far as kicking, yeah not a great xp attempt by Moody, but he did have two 50+ yard fgs. SF was let down way more by their coach than anything else.
A lot went wrong for SF. Everyone forgot Mahomes threw a pretty brutal INT because they did nothing with it. They held the Chiefs to one TD in regulation and it was off the muffed punt. Just so infuriating how close they were and it's been like that their last three trips to the Superbowl.
 

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And in what alternate universe is making the extra point the difference? You think Andy Reid kicks a field goal to lose by 1 point?
Because they would have had to go for a touchdown in regulation and maybe they don’t make it. This isn’t complex.

If mahomes is so awesome he can do whatever he chooses, why didn’t he just choose to forget the field goal and score the TD in regulation and win the game? We all know the answer.
 

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Because they would have had to go for a touchdown in regulation and maybe they don’t make it. This isn’t complex.

If mahomes is so awesome he can do whatever he chooses, why didn’t he just choose to forget the field goal and score the TD in regulation and win the game? We all know the answer.
And you think the 49ers would have stopped Mahomes from getting a game winning TD if that's what they needed? Because they didn't stop them in OT when they needed it.
 

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And you think the 49ers would have stopped Mahomes from getting a game winning TD if that's what they needed? Because they didn't stop them in OT when they needed it.
As I already said, being up against the clock is not the same as having no concern about how much time you have. It’s another variable that adds panic, confusion and the potential for someone’s nerves to get the better of them.

You wanna pretend that’s not the case, go ahead.
 

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