OT: Other Sports: Broncos, Nuggets, Rockies etc…Part VII

[sethro109]

I'd say he was much better today, really it was 1 bad read that did him in.

What's frustrating is how insanely bad the supporting cast is. Just getting no help. It's one thing to be a rookie QB, it's a whole different thing to be a rookie QB that has nothing to work with.

The countless years of poor drafting is rearing it's ugly head. Our best offensive skill player is Sutton, who's an average 2. When your best offense weapon is mid level 2 WR things are going to be rough.

A true blue #1 WR would help a f*** ton. A really good slot guy would also be a great safety valve for him too. Because our TEs sure as shit aren't going to help the kid.

 

[chet1926]

Bo Nix drives this season

Game 1:
4 plays, 3 yards, FG
3 plays, 5 yards, PUNT
3 plays, 7 yards, PUNT
12 plays, 49 yards, INT
3 plays, 4 yards, PUNT
4 plays, -2 yards, FG
3 plays, 4 yards, PUNT
6 plays, 17 yards, PUNT
5 plays, 26 yards, FG
3 plays, -8 yards, PUNT
5 plays, 17 yards, FUMBLE
3 plays, 5 yards, PUNT
8 plays, 28 yards, INT
7 plays, 74 yards, TD (prevent defense)

Game 2:
3 plays, 7 yards, PUNT
3 plays, 1 yard, PUNT
6 plays, 18 yards, PUNT
8 plays, 41 yards, TO on DOWNS
3 plays, 5 yards, PUNT
6 plays, 79 yards, INT
3 plays, 4 yards, PUNT
12 plays, 54 yards, FG
3 plays, 2 yards, PUNT
9 plays, 69 yards, FG (prevent defense)
2 plays, 15 yards, INT (hail mary/garbage time)

Offensively we've put 22 points on the board this season.
10 of them came against a prevent defense
6 of them came when we got the ball in the redzone and had to settle for field goals

So basically, our offense has managed 6 points on legitimate, sustained drives through two games this season.

We get it. You hate Bo Nix and you want him to fail. It doesn't take a genius to understand things are bad on offense and he is part of it.

But here's the thing you're probably going to have to accept and that's he's going to get 2 years, it's probably in your best interest to not evaluate every single step he takes, it will probably take a toll on your mental health.

The thing you fail to see is you actually just showed that there was improvement from week 1 to week 2, more sustained drives. Points didn't come from them but he moved the team better today than week 1. I'm not going to really worry about much with Nix until maybe 6 weeks in. I'm just wanting to see progress. And there might not be any which would be disappointing.

Anyone who thought Nix was going to come in and look like Mahomes with this shit show of a roster was nuts. This a 4 win roster, not much anyone can do with a complete garbage can of a roster.

 

[famicommander]

We get it. You hate Bo Nix and you want him to fail. It doesn't take a genius to understand things are bad on offense and he is part of it.

But here's the thing you're probably going to have to accept and that's he's going to get 2 years, it's probably in your best interest to not evaluate every single step he takes, it will probably take a toll on your mental health.

The thing you fail to see is you actually just showed that there was improvement from week 1 to week 2, more sustained drives. Points didn't come from them but he moved the team better today than week 1. I'm not going to really worry about much with Nix until maybe 6 weeks in. I'm just wanting to see progress. And there might not be any which would be disappointing.

Anyone who thought Nix was going to come in and look like Mahomes with this shit show of a roster was nuts. This a 4 win roster, not much anyone can do with a complete garbage can of a roster.

Get a grip on reality. He's in a bad situation AND he's by far the worst player on the field. Both things are true and it isn't going to get better, because he's not an NFL QB. You could replace all 10 other guys with much better guys and we'd still suck because Nix lacks the physical talents of an NFL signal caller.

 

[Muffin]

A true blue #1 WR would help a f*** ton. A really good slot guy would also be a great safety valve for him too. Because our TEs sure as shit aren't going to help the kid.

Forget WR. We need RBs. Nix wouldn’t have to throw that often if the run game wasn’t so terrible. Williams is done, can’t believe they went back to him after last season. Not the same player after his injury.

 

[famicommander]

Forget WR. We need RBs. Nix wouldn’t have to throw that often if the run game wasn’t so terrible. Williams is done, can’t believe they went back to him after last season. Not the same player after his injury.

The run game is terrible because the other team consistently has 9 or 10 guys in the box. Because we aren't a threat to hit them downfield.

 

[BobRossColton]

Was Tank Dell, diggs and Cole kmet a good parley for anytime TD.?

 

[ANewHope]

Get a grip on reality. He's in a bad situation AND he's by far the worst player on the field. Both things are true and it isn't going to get better, because he's not an NFL QB. You could replace all 10 other guys with much better guys and we'd still suck because Nix lacks the physical talents of an NFL signal caller.

Are you watching the games or just looking at stats? His physical talent was more than fine today. It was everything else. The decision making and his accuracy. He was overthrowing players and any time he throws it 10+ yards he has no idea what the coverages are. Dulcich was easily the worst player on offense today. As bad as Nix was he was no worse than the offensive line. If it wasn't for his ability to run it would be alot uglier right now.

It's eye opening when you watch other teams. Right now on MNF you literally have 5+ weapons that are better than anything Denver has.

Nix likely won't be the guy but his situation is about as bad as it gets right now for a rookie QB.

 

[chet1926]

Get a grip on reality. He's in a bad situation AND he's by far the worst player on the field. Both things are true and it isn't going to get better, because he's not an NFL QB. You could replace all 10 other guys with much better guys and we'd still suck because Nix lacks the physical talents of an NFL signal caller.

Lol, once again we get it you hate Bo Nix for whatever reason and want to say he is garbage after 2 games against 2 top 10 defenses.

You clearly just don't like the player if you really think he was the worst offensive player today. Not even close everyone was terrible with the standouts being Dulich and o-line.

There is literally not a single person that would agree with your assessment on Nix today. You are not remotely even giving him a fair chance for whatever reason.

 

[famicommander]

Are you watching the games or just looking at stats? His physical talent was more than fine today. It was everything else. The decision making and his accuracy. He was overthrowing players and any time he throws it 10+ yards he has no idea what the coverages are. Dulcich was easily the worst player on offense today. As bad as Nix was he was no worse than the offensive line. If it wasn't for his ability to run it would be alot uglier right now.

It's eye opening when you watch other teams. Right now on MNF you literally have 5+ weapons that are better than anything Denver has.

Nix likely won't be the guy but his situation is about as bad as it gets right now for a rookie QB.

His physical talent was not fine today. The overthrows were overcompensation for several underthrows, including that bad Dulcich drop. Dulcich should have had it, but there's no excuse for Nix throwing a wobbler 7 yards downfield. He doesn't throw tight spirals, he doesn't have zip on his passes. He had several throws again that were late, low, and behind. And in general we're simply terrified to attempt throws to the sticks.

When you see a guy overthrow somebody it's not always because his arm is good. It's because his arm is so poor he has to forget his mechanics to get the ball that far downfield, which subsequently destroys his accuracy. That's why we're not attempting downfield throws, and that's why we're rarely successful when we do.

I cannot recall a worse performance through two games as far as downfield accuracy. And that's because he doesn't have the arm talent.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Payton needs to accept he doesn't have the pieces to run his system. We don't have the weapons to create yards after the catch. Don't have the backs or line to really lean on the run.

3rd and 1 and you lose 4 yards. Bo Nix could be the worst QB in the history of the league and you'd still have to occasionally throw the ball 15-20 yards.

Mims could easily be a YAC guy. Get him on some drags or slants and let him use his speed to get some separation... Idk why they think he has to be a go route only guy.

 

[henchman21]

Nix is god awful.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Not sure how you lot can stand the NFL product: Three plays, commercial, kick, commercial, kick return, commercial, play, minor injury, and commercial. What a disaster.

RedZone baby.

 

[ANewHope]

The run game is terrible because the other team consistently has 9 or 10 guys in the box. Because we aren't a threat to hit them downfield.

It certainly doesn't help but the line's getting zero push and the backs are going down with ease. Williams averaged 2.9 YPC vs Seattle and 1.5 today vs Pittsburgh.

It's a backs job to turn those 1-2 yard runs into 3 yard runs or more. Nix had a pass to Reynolds that set up a 3rd and 1. Every team is attacking the run in that situation. It's on the coaches to get creative with a pass or the line/back to get the 1st. Williams ran for a 4 yard loss. That 3 and out has nothing to do with Nix. Just like Nix chucking the ball into triple/double coverage and being reckless with the ball while locking onto WR's has nothing to do with the weapons and are legitimate issues.

His physical talent was not fine today. The overthrows were overcompensation for several underthrows, including that bad Dulcich drop. Dulcich should have had it, but there's no excuse for Nix throwing a wobbler 7 yards downfield. He doesn't throw tight spirals, he doesn't have zip on his passes. He had several throws again that were late, low, and behind. And in general we're simply terrified to attempt throws to the sticks.

When you see a guy overthrow somebody it's not always because his arm is good. It's because his arm is so poor he has to forget his mechanics to get the ball that far downfield, which subsequently destroys his accuracy. That's why we're not attempting downfield throws, and that's why we're rarely successful when we do.

I cannot recall a worse performance through two games as far as downfield accuracy. And that's because he doesn't have the arm talent.

Alot of what your describing is poor footwork tho. He's not setting his feet. Even on short throws he's getting happy feet. His mechanics have been spotty on 5 yard throws. That 1 throw to Dulcich was perfect and he just dropped it. Your showing your bias defending the drops. He chucked it 50 yards down the field on that trick play. The throw to Mims had tons of zip on it. It was just overthrown with poor placent. He can push the ball when he gets time and knows where it's going but that rarely happens.

Ultimately I think you'll be right and Nix won't be the guy. His arm talent was considered average coming out with + mobility. He has enough physical talent to be a starting QB. The locking onto WR's, struggling to read a defence, and inaccuracy which his entire game is built around is a far bigger concern. Like those inaccurate throws on some of those screens has nothing to do with his arm and something you rarely saw at Oregon.

Mims could easily be a YAC guy. Get him on some drags or slants and let him use his speed to get some separation... Idk why they think he has to be a go route only guy.

Yeah I don't get using big and slow WR's in that kinda offense. Like throwing a TE screen to Dulcich just seems silly. Much rather see Mims get those looks.

 

[Bonzai12]

I thought Dulcich was the worst guy on the field today.

I agree with ya Fami though on teams loading up the box. They need to draw up some better schemes, complete some passes, and run block. It’s a cumulation of everything.

If there’s any solace in this, every single QB from this class looks like complete turd at the moment.

 

[lionsDen]

Lol, once again we get it you hate Bo Nix for whatever reason and want to say he is garbage after 2 games against 2 top 10 defenses.

You clearly just don't like the player if you really think he was the worst offensive player today. Not even close everyone was terrible with the standouts being Dulich and o-line.

There is literally not a single person that would agree with your assessment on Nix today. You are not remotely even giving him a fair chance for whatever reason.

I see you stopped arguing with me. He’s on point so again you’re wrong there as well.

 

[Pokecheque]

He’s had an unborn amount of passes tipped in two games.

And that’s because he takes too long to throw and can’t zip the ball in there fast enough. Opposing DBs are able to track his throws with ease.

So…that about does it for this NFL season as far as I’m concerned. On top of all the obvious stuff, Sean Payton has been an abominable coach in two games so far. And if this season ends up being a failure, both Payton and Paton need to be GONE.

 

[lionsDen]

I thought Dulcich was the worst guy on the field today.

I agree with ya Fami though on teams loading up the box. They need to draw up some better schemes, complete some passes, and run block. It’s a cumulation of everything.

If there’s any solace in this, every single QB from this class looks like complete turd at the moment.

I think box arm is worse then Tebow if that is even possible. He’s gonna have a Tebow trajectory if they can’t Scheme to his strengths. I’d suggest they do a lot more play action get him rolling out like they did Jake plumber. Payton needs to go down with his qb.

 

[lionsDen]

And that’s because he takes too long to throw and can’t zip the ball in there fast enough. Opposing DBs are able to track his throws with ease.

So…that about does it for this NFL season as far as I’m concerned. On top of all the obvious stuff, Sean Payton has been an abominable coach in two games so far. And if this season ends up being a failure, both Payton and Paton need to be GONE.

I couldn’t agree more.

Can’t read a D
Can’t pass

Play calling is horrible.

Line can’t block.

Receivers are trash

In a firm believer that a qb raises all boats.

Look at what manning did in Indy, Brady in New England, trash orgs before and after they left. Mahomes

When you get the hardest piece figured out(qb) you’re able to build.

Nix isn’t gonna be the guy. It’s all hype and a good preseason against vanilla D and 2nd teamers

I’m ready for the Avs to come back

 

[chet1926]

Lol the commentary on Nix is beyond laughable. He's a rookie on a bad roster.

The arm talent line, needs to stop, it's a complete lazy garage take. Nix is struggling because of bad footwork, some which is on him, some of which come from a trash o-line that can't block, that causes panic and rushed mechanics from a guy playing his 2nd game. The few times, and I mean few since he's under constant durress, Nix actually gets to set his feet and throw, the ball is in the right place on time with plenty of zip.

I'm far from a Nix guy, but i want the team to do well, so right now that means we need Nix to progress. He might not, and that sucks. But I'm sure as hell going to pull for him and that means not over reacting and blowing a gasket after 2 bad games. He needs to work on his shit all of which is fixable despite what some of you may think, and the rest of the skill guys need to step the f*** up, as they are just as f***ing bad and doing very minimal to help him.

If the expectation is that day 1 a guy has to come in and be prime Manning we'll never find a QB because it takes time and good coaching to develop a QB. It's extremely rare for a guy to come into the league and just have it from the get go. Nix was always going to be a project, and it's an even bigger project when supporting cast is as bad as what the Broncos have.

 

[S E P H]

I don't know about anyone else, but I like the slow pace. It's like a turn based RPG. It's more about strategy. Kinda like chess with ACL injuries.


Also, when I'm not watching the Broncos, Red Zone is amazing.

RedZone baby.

Fair enough, if you enjoy the pace then I understand. It's just hard going from something fast to something really slow like going from the speed of hockey to the constant breaks in throwball. I tried to get into CFB this season with the new game coming out, but it suffers from the same aspect.

That's one of the reasons why I enjoy futbol, it is like chess, but what makes it unique is you're constantly running for 90 minutes. And don't get me wrong because I respect throwball because any physical sport deserves credit in my eye, but it's more commercialisation than sport at this point for me.

 

[lionsDen]

Lol the commentary on Nix is beyond laughable. He's a rookie on a bad roster.

The arm talent line, needs to stop, it's a complete lazy garage take. Nix is struggling because of bad footwork, some which is on him, some of which come from a trash o-line that can't block, that causes panic and rushed mechanics from a guy playing his 2nd game. The few times, and I mean few since he's under constant durress, Nix actually gets to set his feet and throw, the ball is in the right place on time with plenty of zip.

I'm far from a Nix guy, but i want the team to do well, so right now that means we need Nix to progress. He might not, and that sucks. But I'm sure as hell going to pull for him and that means not over reacting and blowing a gasket after 2 bad games. He needs to work on his shit all of which is fixable despite what some of you may think, and the rest of the skill guys need to step the f*** up, as they are just as f***ing bad and doing very minimal to help him.

If the expectation is that day 1 a guy has to come in and be prime Manning we'll never find a QB because it takes time and good coaching to develop a QB. It's extremely rare for a guy to come into the league and just have it from the get go. Nix was always going to be a project, and it's an even bigger project when supporting cast is as bad as what the Broncos have.

Going down with the ship I see.

 

[chet1926]

I see you stopped arguing with me. He’s on point so again you’re wrong there as well.

I don't argue just to argue. We don't agree, nothing I say will change your opinion, nothing you say will change my opinion. So what's the point?

Clearly you hate Nix, and want him to fail and are going to nitpick every single snap. You are going to bitch because he isn't prime Manning 2 games into his career. I choose to root for him to progress because I want the team I cheer for to get better which means having a QB that can play effectively. I also realize that it isn't going to happen instantly and there is going to be plenty of bad play. For me 2 bad games on extremely under talented roster with f*** loads of holes, to give up on a guy seems insane.

 

[chet1926]

Going down with the ship I see.

Yep, not going to give up on a guy after 2 games. I choose to have hope that he can progress, instead of just bitching about him.

I guess by your standards that Caleb Williams sucks to, should the Bears just give up on him since he hasn't thrown as TD in a game in a half? He has a shit load more to work with than Nix.

 

[lionsDen]

I don't argue just to argue. We don't agree, nothing I say will change your opinion, nothing you say will change my opinion. So what's the point?

Clearly you hate Nix, and want him to fail and are going to nitpick every single snap. You are going to bitch because he isn't prime Manning 2 games into his career. I choose to root for him to progress because I want the team I cheer for to get better which means having a QB that can play effectively. I also realize that it isn't going to happen instantly and there is going to be plenty of bad play. For me 2 bad games on extremely under talented roster with f*** loads of holes, to give up on a guy seems insane.

I’ve watched enough football in my life that I can trust my evaluations. I don’t hate bo nix. And you claiming I do is f***ing stupid. The reason you think I do is because you fail to grasp anything I say. Why would I want to see nix fail as a broncos fan? Your observations lack any substance and you can’t defend your points. Your football knowledge is elementary.

 

[lionsDen]

Yep, not going to give up on a guy after 2 games. I choose to have hope that he can progress, instead of just bitching about him.

I guess by your standards that Caleb Williams sucks to, should the Bears just give up on him since he hasn't thrown as TD in a game in a half? He has a shit load more to work with than Nix.

I don’t watch any other football other than the broncos nowadays. I have no clue how good he is. You’re so quick to talk about this or that being wrong with the team, yet you give nix a pass… we call that blinders

In fact now that nix has gotten a taste to start. They should bench him before he’s 00% a bust