OT Finnish Airforce just because

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I'm a fangirl for these. I thought they were having one for US in 2020 but shit happened.

The Finn hornets won the Douglas Bader Trophy at Farnborough for best solo demo in 2019 and 2018, to the irk of RAF in their home field.

So I say, hi hi. Mrazek's Vengeance understands me, if Lempo won't.

Umm... Discuss.

 

[VaCaps Fan]

Better than those Soviet jets!

 

[Stubu]

Lempo, he didn't do the frisbee, and the cobra was half assed. The dancer move wasn't half bad though.

 

[Stubu]

Better than those Soviet jets!

The better moves make you think, why wasn't this a F-22? (Why didn't Finland get F-22 back then?)

The cheap tricks like showing your landing gear, that's started by the Swiss air force. (True story, in Farnborough.)

The Soviet jets... an old MiG21bis can still outrun a Hornet. Easily 2.2 Mach vs 1.8, so there you go. It's all about the systems, mostly, nowadays. And pilot skill.

 

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To be honest, I don't even know where this flyby happened. I just thought it's represantative. Raleigh, Farnborough, same skies.

 

[Stubu]

Must be Farnborough because he didn't get to use the flares like in the Finnish shows.

 

[VaCaps Fan]

I miss the F-14 tomcat. Those Iranian ones are pretty rickety these days.

 

[Canes]

Could I interest the Finnish government in some slightly rusted F-35s?

 

[Stubu]

I just hope this wasn't the Swiss air force after all.

 

[Stubu]

Could I interest the Finnish government in some slightly rusted F-35s?

Make that plenty of F-16 and we're talking.

 

[Canes]

Make that plenty of F-16 and we're talking.

alright I'll put you down for 10 F-35s for 3 billion. No take backs.

 

[Stubu]

Could I interest the Finnish government in some slightly rusted F-35s?

It's not that simple, you see. Su-27 had lovely Saturn engines and was great. MiG-29 got horribad Klimov engines. Su-47 is not stealthy and has problematic engines from the combined design office.

But we still need something like the F-35A, even if the Raffy and Tiffy were better, and the Growlers were very much what's needed. Possibly a bit of politics in there.

 

[VaCaps Fan]

The f-35 is the new F-111. Trying to make a jet for every role doesn't work.

 

[Stubu]

This is not power politics, mind you. Finland has to maintain the Baltic Sea and airspace, when and until our developing Baltic friends can do it too. (And then they won't buy our ice capable corvettes but the cheaper German ones. hmphm. Silly buggers.)

 

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The f-35 is the new F-111. Trying to make a jet for every role doesn't work.

I love the F-111. The aussies always loved it.

It'd never have a role in Finland.

The F-35A has.

(Can you imagine the stories we had about the B? "Every gas station"... We do have the Distributed Doctrine dotcrine in place, mind you.)

 

[VaCaps Fan]

Sweden’s Saab gripen isn’t too shaby.

 

[Stubu]

alright I'll put you down for 10 F-35s for 3 billion. No take backs.

You can't do that. We got 64 F-35A for 10 billion. That's a done deal. Now, what's your offer for them upright flyin' B's?

 

[Stubu]

I'll throw in a 2nd 2024 (TOR)?

 

[Canes]

The f-35 is the new F-111. Trying to make a jet for every role doesn't work.

The benefit of the F-35 is not about its new flight characteristics. In fact its biggest benefit was literally more about the amount of money we can funnel towards this boondoggle.

 

[Stubu]

Could I interest the Finnish government in some slightly rusted F-35s?

Whenever slightly rusted comes up, yes, you could.

First the Finns stole The Netherlands' 100 operational Leopard 2a4 tanks, then their remaining upgraded 120 2a7 tanks for a silly low price, thank you.

True story, by the way.

 

[Canes]

You can't do that. We got 64 F-35A for 10 billion. That's a done deal. Now, what's your offer for them upright flyin' B's?

You drive a hard bargain. But the price just increased 100%, and if you can't pay up, well that's the idea.

 

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You drive a hard bargain. But the price just increased 100%, and if you can't pay up, well that's the idea.

It's not if I can't pay up, of course I can't, and it's long term... but what's the compensation trade? Maybe 50% in a deal like this? 30%?

Oooo you get nice 120mm Nemo vehicle turrets cheaper than you thought. Already in testing by USMC. So, 40%?

 

[Canes]

It's not if I can't pay up, of course I can't, and it's long term... but what's the compensation trade? Maybe 50% in a deal like this? 30%?

Oooo you get nice 120mm Nemo vehicle turrets cheaper than you thought. Already in testing by USMC. So, 40%?

Wait, what? I can't hear you. Oh shit, and I just rolled my ankle.

So you accepted our lopsided deal? Very good move, you won't regret it.

 

[Stubu]

The compensation, bilateral trade used to be like, Finland exports ice-breaker ships and furniture and mech products, Soviet Union exports very good Lada cars and oil and gas and very good weapons, and then they are annually tallied for the value. This went on for decades. It had to stop and, well, did. -- Svech need not know anything about this.