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hoglund said:
I don't know how old most of the people are here, but I think most of us know the strike zone without the box, for years we learned what the strike zone is, why are they using it now?
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Not everybody can though. My mom, for instance, has been a fan for like 15 years or so after I turned her on to the game and she can't discern the zone without the box even with explanation and repeated viewings. I'm fairly confident that's not an unusual thing. The greatest mistake is assuming that one's own experience of consuming the game is the "normal" way.

Besides that, the evolution and change of the broadcast experience is also constant. If we had the attitude of "people did fine without this feature so we shouldn't have it" all the time then we'd probably all still be listening on the radio and uniforms wouldn't have names on the back. And I'm sure that when all those other changes and innovations were put forth there were fans that complained that the change was bad and there was no need for it. Same for the constant score bug, or the ball/strike count, or on-base markers, or slow-mo replays, or the overhead camera used to judge check swings, or a dozen other things.
 
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The Nemesis said:
Not everybody can though. My mom, for instance, has been a fan for like 15 years or so after I turned her on to the game and she can't discern the zone without the box even with explanation and repeated viewings. I'm fairly confident that's not an unusual thing. The greatest mistake is assuming that one's own experience of consuming the game is the "normal" way.

Besides that, the evolution and change of the broadcast experience is also constant. If we had the attitude of "people did fine without this feature so we shouldn't have it" all the time then we'd probably all still be listening on the radio and uniforms wouldn't have names on the back. And I'm sure that when all those other changes and innovations were put forth there were fans that complained that the change was bad and there was no need for it. Same for the constant score bug, or the ball/strike count, or on-base markers, or slow-mo replays, or the overhead camera used to judge check swings, or a dozen other things.
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I think that's just because of the big 4, i feel like Baseball is probably by far most stuck in its old ways/oldhead culture. (Yes, even ahead of hockey)

There's always been a romanticism around "the old days" way more with this sport. Some geezer writer will wax philosophical about back in my day, we didn't need batting gloves or some other nonsense and everyone just accepts it. This type of thinking goes right to the top too with shit like HOF voters and so on.

My best guess is because compared to other sports, the game of baseball hasn't changed all that much in decades. Like if you turn on a hockey or football game from the 80s the difference is stark. Baseball even though how the game is played with more emphasis on power pitching/hitting still kinda looks the same so a lot of people just assume you don't need such newfangled concepts as ABS or any of the other innovations you listed.
 
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The Nemesis said:
Not everybody can though. My mom, for instance, has been a fan for like 15 years or so after I turned her on to the game and she can't discern the zone without the box even with explanation and repeated viewings. I'm fairly confident that's not an unusual thing. The greatest mistake is assuming that one's own experience of consuming the game is the "normal" way.

Besides that, the evolution and change of the broadcast experience is also constant. If we had the attitude of "people did fine without this feature so we shouldn't have it" all the time then we'd probably all still be listening on the radio and uniforms wouldn't have names on the back. And I'm sure that when all those other changes and innovations were put forth there were fans that complained that the change was bad and there was no need for it. Same for the constant score bug, or the ball/strike count, or on-base markers, or slow-mo replays, or the overhead camera used to judge check swings, or a dozen other things.
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Pitch clock great

Limiting pickoff attempts great

Runner on 2nd in extras, sucks but so did 20 inning games
 
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I originally wasn't in favour of the automated strike zone or challenge system but after watching in spring training, was very impressed with how quick and seamless the whole thing was and now wouldn't have any issues with it.
 
Tommy Edman has more Home runs then the entire Jays teams.

Edman has never hit more then 13 HR in a season

This is more then pathetic.
 
Blitzkrug said:
I think that's just because of the big 4, i feel like Baseball is probably by far most stuck in its old ways/oldhead culture. (Yes, even ahead of hockey)

There's always been a romanticism around "the old days" way more with this sport. Some geezer writer will wax philosophical about back in my day, we didn't need batting gloves or some other nonsense and everyone just accepts it. This type of thinking goes right to the top too with shit like HOF voters and so on.

My best guess is because compared to other sports, the game of baseball hasn't changed all that much in decades. Like if you turn on a hockey or football game from the 80s the difference is stark. Baseball even though how the game is played with more emphasis on power pitching/hitting still kinda looks the same so a lot of people just assume you don't need such newfangled concepts as ABS or any of the other innovations you listed.
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There have been many changes in baseball, recently the National league now has a designated hitter, in extra innings both teams start with a runner on 2nd base, the time count for the pitcher, intentional walks are no longer physically done, you can now challenge umpire's questionable calls and soon balls and strikes. I'm sure that I missed some, but obviously there have been many changes in baseball.
 
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That Yankees pitching staff is brutal outside of Fried.

I don't know who thought Cookie Carrasco was a viable rotation arm in 2025 when he hasn't been good for over a half decade but they should probably take a walk and think about what they did lol.
 
hoglund said:
There have been many changes in baseball, recently the National league now has a designated hitter, in extra innings both teams start with a runner on 2nd base, the time count for the pitcher, intentional walks are no longer physically done, you can now challenge umpire's questionable calls and soon balls and strikes. I'm sure that I missed some, but obviously there have been many changes in baseball.
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yup baseball has changed a lot even not from a rules point. Strikeouts are way up and pitchers no longer go deep into games/have high pitch counts. Imagine seeing a Halladay or King Felix in todays game with how many innings they went. Last year only 4 pitchers broke the 200IP mark. Gilbert 208.2, Lugo 206.2, Webb 204.2, Wheeler 200. Just going back 10 years in 2014 there were 33 pitchers who reached 200IP with Price leading the way at 248.1 IP. Back 20 years and there were 41 pitchers 200+ IP
 
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landy92mack29 said:
yup baseball has changed a lot even not from a rules point. Strikeouts are way up and pitchers no longer go deep into games/have high pitch counts. Imagine seeing a Halladay or King Felix in todays game with how many innings they went. Last year only 4 pitchers broke the 200IP mark. Gilbert 208.2, Lugo 206.2, Webb 204.2, Wheeler 200. Just going back 10 years in 2014 there were 33 pitchers who reached 200IP with Price leading the way at 248.1 IP. Back 20 years and there were 41 pitchers 200+ IP
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That's insane.
 
Good lord, what are the Orioles wearing and why does it glow?


hoglund said:
There have been many changes in baseball, recently the National league now has a designated hitter, in extra innings both teams start with a runner on 2nd base, the time count for the pitcher, intentional walks are no longer physically done, you can now challenge umpire's questionable calls and soon balls and strikes. I'm sure that I missed some, but obviously there have been many changes in baseball.
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Yeah, lots of changes have happened, and baseball fans have fought almost all of them tooth and nail. That's what is being argued. Baseball is far more resistant to change than other sports. But the change happens and the game goes on. Having the K zone on broadcasts is part of that because it is meant to serve a purpose. Just because a segment of fans don't need it doesn't mean that it is without merit for everyone.
 
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landy92mack29 said:
yup baseball has changed a lot even not from a rules point. Strikeouts are way up and pitchers no longer go deep into games/have high pitch counts. Imagine seeing a Halladay or King Felix in todays game with how many innings they went. Last year only 4 pitchers broke the 200IP mark. Gilbert 208.2, Lugo 206.2, Webb 204.2, Wheeler 200. Just going back 10 years in 2014 there were 33 pitchers who reached 200IP with Price leading the way at 248.1 IP. Back 20 years and there were 41 pitchers 200+ IP
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Yeah, but guys throw harder than ever before and the velo/spin rate revolutions have led to ever-more-stressful deliveries as teams try to squeeze every last bit of juice out of their pitching staffs.

Pitch count and IP limits are in place now because guys get hurt more and are more likely to get hurt given that approach and when coupled with the crazy value of high end pitchers in terms of dollars invested it makes sense for teams to protect that.

Obviously it would make more sense to not endanger them so much in the first place, but that genie is not going back in the lamp.
 
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