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Discoverer said:
I supported finding a way to move Springer in the offseason even if they barely saved any money specifically because they have so many guys on the fringes of the active roster who have done enough the last year or two to warrant a real chance to earn playing time, and I feel like it's going to be harder to find just because Springer is a veteran.

In addition to the guys you mentioned, there's Loperfido, Lukes, Clase, and Schneider. Really, every position player on the 40-man is either an established major leaguer or has been excellent in AAA and earned a shot.
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It feels like only a matter of time before he's either DFA'ed or we trade him to a bottom feeder and retain most of his salary. To me it's better to rip the band-aid off early rather than let things fester.

If a previous management group had signed him, I suspect he would already be gone. But picking up $50 million to have a guy not play for you is admitting a major, major mistake.
 
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MS said:
It feels like only a matter of time before he's either DFA'ed or we trade him to a bottom feeder and retain most of his salary. To me it's better to rip the band-aid off early rather than let things fester.

If a previous management group had signed him, I suspect he would already be gone. But picking up $50 million to have a guy not play for you is admitting a major, major mistake.
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I don't know, Tulo was a previous management add. His 2017 was way worse than Springer last year, then he missed all of 2018 before they finally released him.

Granted, they weren't flush with SS options at the time like they are in the outfield now and were entering a rebuild anyway, but I kind of wonder if it's just a hesitance to bail on veterans.
 
Discoverer said:
I don't know, Tulo was a previous management add. His 2017 was way worse than Springer last year, then he missed all of 2018 before they finally released him.

Granted, they weren't flush with SS options at the time like they are in the outfield now and were entering a rebuild anyway, but I kind of wonder if it's just a hesitance to bail on veterans.
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FWIW, Springer has a 95 and 104 wRC+ in the past two years.

Before they dump him, they are at least going to take some time to see if the new guy can get something out of him. While it is easy to judge guys on their spring, keep in mind that Springer's spring involves a higher BB/lower K than his past couple of years and a ridiculous 50% IFFB rate (his career rate is 10).

Springer last had a big IFFB spring in 2022. For the record, Vladdy ran a 30 last spring. It isn't uncommon especially when a guy is coming off a year with a 9.4 degree launch angle and not pulling enough pitches.
 
Bjindaho said:
FWIW, Springer has a 95 and 104 wRC+ in the past two years.

Before they dump him, they are at least going to take some time to see if the new guy can get something out of him. While it is easy to judge guys on their spring, keep in mind that Springer's spring involves a higher BB/lower K than his past couple of years and a ridiculous 50% IFFB rate (his career rate is 10).

Springer last had a big IFFB spring in 2022. For the record, Vladdy ran a 30 last spring. It isn't uncommon especially when a guy is coming off a year with a 9.4 degree launch angle and not pulling enough pitches.
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I'm not particularly concerned about how his spring has gone. I'm more concerned that a 104 and 95 wRC+ the last two years from a guy who plays a corner outfield spot with mediocre defense is just bad. He's been worth a combined 3 WAR in nearly 1300 PA. I would love to see the new hitting coach reverse some of that, but Springer being 35 doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.
 
Discoverer said:
I'm not particularly concerned about how his spring has gone. I'm more concerned that a 104 and 95 wRC+ the last two years from a guy who plays a corner outfield spot with mediocre defense is just bad. He's been worth a combined 3 WAR in nearly 1300 PA. I would love to see the new hitting coach reverse some of that, but Springer being 35 doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.
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I'm not expecting miracles, but trying to hit the pitch he wants up the middle could make a decent difference.

FWIW, George had a .723OPS on the first pitch, which suggests that either he swung at too many of them or his approach to them sucked. Likewise, he put up a .556OPS at 1-1.
 
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Today's lineup had Wagner-Vlad-Santander-Bo as the top four. I would love it if they went with that to open the season.

Wagner hasn't had a great spring considering how good some of the other guys fighting for playing time have been (Schneider, Barger, Roden), but he went 2-2 with a double and a couple walks today and suddenly his spring OPS is over .790 with a .368 OBP.
 
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Springer camp dosen't inspire confidence in him. At this point the Jays might very well be a better team without him. Lot of guys are having a good camp.
 
canucksfan said:
Really like how the bats are performing. They seem to have more power.

It is Spring Training though.
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They're definitely having an impressive spring. As of now, there would be two guys on the opening day roster (Springer and whoever is the backup catcher) who had a poor spring. Everyone else has ranged from solid to outstanding. Spring stats don't generally mean a whole lot, but an impressive spring is a hell of a lot better than the alternative.

HR from Springer, Kirk, Gimenez, and another from Barger today.
 
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I am just excited. I think it will be a fun race for first place in the division and the Jays will be right in it.
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This team has alot of talent.
I'm willing to buy into the narrative that a new team hitting approach should improve things.
Now we need the coaching staff and front office to get the best out of this group and overachieve.
 
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I saw a rumour that Springer starts in CF for opening day so they can start Clement at 3B instead of Lukes at CF, but this won't be the regular arrangement until Varsho is back, as obviously Springer physically can't handle regular CF time anymore. We might see something like this today:

1 Bo SS
2 Vlad 1B
3 Santander RF
4 Gimenez 2B
5 Kirk C
6 Wagner DH
7 Springer CF
8 Roden LF
9 Clement 3B
 
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tmlfan98 said:
I saw a rumour that Springer starts in CF for opening day so they can start Clement at 3B instead of Lukes at CF, but this won't be the regular arrangement until Varsho is back, as obviously Springer physically can't handle regular CF time anymore. We might see something like this today:

1 Bo SS
2 Vlad 1B
3 Santander RF
4 Gimenez 2B
5 Kirk C
6 Wagner DH
7 Springer CF
8 Roden LF
9 Clement 3B
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My preference would be one of Roden/Wagner to the leadoff spot and shift everyone else down, but I wouldn't hate that at all.
 
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Discoverer said:
My preference would be one of Roden/Wagner to the leadoff spot and shift everyone else down, but I wouldn't hate that at all.
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I also prefer Bo at cleanup over Bo at leadoff, but it seems for whatever reason the team prefers Bo at leadoff, despite their non-Bo leadoff options being way better than their non-Bo cleanup options.
 
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tmlfan98 said:
I also prefer Bo at cleanup over Bo at leadoff, but it seems for whatever reason the team prefers Bo at leadoff, despite their non-Bo leadoff options being way better than their non-Bo cleanup options.
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Right, that too! One of the young lefty bats to leadoff followed by Vlad-Santander-Bo.

I think you're right though - they experimented with Wagner at leadoff now and then, but they seemed way more interested it giving Bo that spot.
 
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