OOT Scoreboard 2024-25 season
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if the replacement is just one of his assistants or a coach from Providence then he probably won’t have mercy games. Those usually happen when they’re going outside the organization. Like when Edmonton hired Knoblauch and had to poach him from the Rangers. Woodcroft got one more game after an embarrassing loss (can’t remember if that was to the Sharks or not, but there was definitely a bad loss to the Sharks late in his tenure) and I think it may have even been a win, but it was clear they were working the phones to negotiate with the Rangers prior to that.
I’m not sure if they plan to hire outside the organization or not.
ZachaFlockaFlame
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They cancelled practice tomorrow and aren't playing till Thursday, he's 100% gone lol
Dammit. Hope he's okay. It would suck to see the season he's having get derailed like this.
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Incharge1976
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Didn't really look knee to knee. Looks more like he got nailed with the skate.
TheBeerNerd
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Yeah it would really friggin suck to see him just completely derailed as he's heating up and getting closer to the record. I want my rivals to be at their peak, that makes it more satisfying to beat them.
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I’d have to think that doofus is the next one to go after Montgomery.Detroit
What if both teams are just trying to wait it out a bit longer to see if Pittsburgh fires Sullivan first, so that they could be the first to get him?
TheBeerNerd
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The issue with Detroit goes higher. The Yzerplan is a disaster. As far as I can tell, the goal is to be like they were in the last years of their playoff streak: just good enough to sneak into the playoffs and bow out instantly. But they can't even manage that. They don't draft or develop well and Yzerman immediately sprung for mid free agents to fill out roster spaces.
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I’ve been super critical of Yzerman with Detroit, and I think most fans have now turned on him.
They haven’t had the lottery luck like us, but Yzerman constantly signs at least one (sometimes two or more) bad contract in UFA every year. And they seem to set themselves up to finish anywhere between 7th and 12th in the conference the last few years. Not good enough for 1-6 and not bad enough for 13-16.
I wonder if ownership has been putting pressure on him to just make the playoffs because it’s been so long and they want a playoff gate?
I think Yzerman gets at maximum one more year there after this. And this year could even be the end, but it’s more likely to be next if I had to guess.
Ownership wanting to make the playoffs isn’t about playoff gate, it’s about season tickets sale for the next year.
Anyways, why it hasn’t gone well is simple. Teams that pull out of a bottoming rebuild typically have multiple top-3 picks and a goalie. They have neither. They have a few young #2 players, but no #1. They also have struggled in goal.
Anyways, why it hasn’t gone well is simple. Teams that pull out of a bottoming rebuild typically have multiple top-3 picks and a goalie. They have neither. They have a few young #2 players, but no #1. They also have struggled in goal.
I think that's simplistic - yeah, Detroit has been super unlucky, but it's not like the top end of their bottom out years are that good. That said, they did often fall 3 ranks in the draft which is brutal, but coming out of 2019 and 2020 with Seider and Raymond is really not all that bad - Seider is the 2nd best player picked in the top 10 in 2019, and Raymond initially didn't seem like he is an order of magnitude worse than Lafreniere or Stutzle, though he may turn out to be. It's the fact that the Wings drafting in the middle part of the decade was absolutely brutal, they've gotten almost nothing out of 2015-2018, and Yzerman has piled on UFAs in order to compensate for this, and those signings have been awful.
So the deck was stacked against Yzerman from the start. I think he fails even if he gets Hughes and Stutzle or whatever the optimal result is, but also I forgot the 2019 and 2020 drafts have yielded absolutely nothing for the Wings besides Seider and Raymond, and that's on him.
TheBeerNerd
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The lesson to take from Detroit, Chicago, and other teams going through lengthy rebuilds is that if you're going to do it, do it early. If you don't, things will get worse, and the hole will be very difficult to get out of.
Honestly, I'd rather Calgary stick with what they've got instead of continuing to tear it down for that reason.
Honestly, I'd rather Calgary stick with what they've got instead of continuing to tear it down for that reason.
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Chicago has really only been officially rebuilding since the year before they drafted Bedard, maybe the two years before they drafted Bedard?
It wasn’t until Bowman was out just a few weeks into the 21-22 season that they seemed to finally change direction. They were just bad before that because they were just bad. Much like the Red Wings before Yzerman came in and the last few years of Holland.
Bowman traded for and then signed Seth Jones just a few months before he was fired.
