Ongoing Wander Franco situation

[McGarnagle]

Trevor Bauer is effectively blacklisted from the league for something that was ruled to be insufficient to charge him for by police and that was with a woman above the age of 18.

If Wander is even indicted for this, he gone.

 

[Terry Yake]

Trevor Bauer is effectively blacklisted from the league for something that was ruled to be insufficient to charge him for by police and that was with a woman above the age of 18.

If Wander is even indicted for this, he gone.

i feel like bauer was blacklisted mainly because he's an asshole and no one likes him

 

[Unholy Diver]

i feel like bauer was blacklisted mainly because he's an asshole and no one likes him

That certainly adds to it quite a bit, if it was a guy who had been more well liked I would think someone would have taken a chance on him

 

[Ben Grimm]

i feel like bauer was blacklisted mainly because he's an asshole and no one likes him

Like Schilling and the HoF.

 

[Voight]

If these allegations end up being true.....

Talk about a waste of talent.

Trevor Bauer is effectively blacklisted from the league for something that was ruled to be insufficient to charge him for by police and that was with a woman above the age of 18.

If Wander is even indicted for this, he gone.

I disagree with this. Shouldn't be punished based off an indictment, hes innocent until proven guilty.

If hes convicted, of course. But its silly to ban him for an indictment.

i feel like bauer was blacklisted mainly because he's an asshole and no one likes him

Not to mention hes called out Manclown and the league on their BS which the Old Boys Club dont like.

 

[Cas]

I disagree with this. Should be punished based off an indictment, hes innocent until proven guilty.

If hes convicted, of course. But its silly to ban him for an indictment.

Trevor Bauer isn't banned - he is free and clear to sign with any team. He was suspended based on MLB's own internal investigation and policies.

There's also no team in the league that wants to touch him, because he's a gigantic ******* that no one wants to be around, who represents a gigantic PR risk for an entertainment business, and who isn't as good as his bloviating would suggest. Most of that is Bauer's own fault.

 

[Voight]

Trevor Bauer isn't banned - he is free and clear to sign with any team. He was suspended based on MLB's own internal investigation and policies.

There's also no team in the league that wants to touch him, because he's a gigantic ******* that no one wants to be around, who represents a gigantic PR risk for an entertainment business, and who isn't as good as his bloviating would suggest. Most of that is Bauer's own fault.

The suspension was BS. It was MLB getting back at him for being vocal about their absolute failure of a Astros investigation among other things.

 

[Voight]

Like Schilling and the HoF.

Schilling hasn't been inducted because he went after the media on certain things and their baseball colleagues are holding that against him. Which sucks.

HHOF isn't perfect but at least they leave the decisions up to a diverse group of hockey people (players, coaches, GMs, media etc). Now they have their political biases (Theo Fleury not being inducted due to him going after the OBC and lately peddling certain conspiracy theories) but they aren't as bad as the BBWA.

 

[Cas]

Schilling hasn't been inducted because he went after the media on certain things and their baseball colleagues are holding that against him. Which sucks.

HHOF isn't perfect but at least they leave the decisions up to a diverse group of hockey people (players, coaches, GMs, media etc). Now they have their political biases (Theo Fleury not being inducted due to him going after the OBC and lately peddling certain conspiracy theories) but they aren't as bad as the BBWA.

When the NBHOF gives the decisions to baseball people, it's regularly awful. That's how it get Harold Baines and Chick Hafey and Tommy McCarthy and Tom Yawkey and four dozen others.

The concept of player voting is my nightmare.

 

[Voight]

When the NBHOF gives the decisions to baseball people, it's regularly awful. That's how it get Harold Baines and Chick Hafey and Tommy McCarthy and Tom Yawkey and four dozen others.

The concept of player voting is my nightmare.

Valid point, thats why what the HHOF does is the best way to go about it IMO, you have mix of people involved with the sport. Obviously its not a perfect system, especially given some of the recent choices but still.

The problem with leaving it up to sports writers is some guys will intentionally leave people off their ballot because they either squabbled with them at some point or covered a rival team. Thats how guys like Jeter, Griffey and Seaver were nearly unanimous but some voters inexplicably left them off their ballots.

Or as stated earlier, guys like Schilling get shafted because they've insulted journalists.

 

[Cas]

Valid point, thats why what the HHOF does is the best way to go about it IMO, you have mix of people involved with the sport. Obviously its not a perfect system, especially given some of the recent choices but still.

The problem with leaving it up to sports writers is some guys will intentionally leave people off their ballot because they either squabbled with them at some point or covered a rival team. Thats how guys like Jeter, Griffey and Seaver were nearly unanimous but some voters inexplicably left them off their ballots.

Or as stated earlier, guys like Schilling get shafted because they've insulted journalists.

I mean, Schilling is exactly the profile of pitcher who has traditionally not gone in immediately anyway.

He also didn't insult journalists, he said they deserved to be lynched. Bit of a difference there.

He'll get in, he just has to wait. I'm not crying for him, anyway, because he's a gigantic ***.

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Ultimately, I'm not too bothered by the lack of unanimous votes, either. Yes, it's ridiculous, but has zero impact. I'd rather accept that than accept the rather woeful results of the various special committees (which are exactly the mix you're talking about - HOF members, execs, and journalists).

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

There might be more than one...

 

[HockeyThoughts]

There might be more than one...

We already knew that. Instagram girl and the girl who went to the Attorney General are different people.

In my view, it doesn't make it anymore true.

 

[Unholy Diver]

Sounds like the laws in the DR are a bit more straightforward, age of consent is 18, and anyone 18+ messing with anyone under 18 is a crime, much more black & white than the variance of age of consent by state in the US, along with other differences by US locale.

It's disappointing no matter how it shakes out, if the women/girls are scamming him it sucks that people would do that and they are rotten people, and if he's guilty then it's a disgusting thing he did and he's a terrible human

Everything we know about the Wander Franco investigation

On Tuesday, MLB announced that Wander Franco was placed on administrative leave. What does that mean -- and what could be next?

www.espn.com

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Sounds like the laws in the DR are a bit more straightforward, age of consent is 18, and anyone 18+ messing with anyone under 18 is a crime, much more black & white than the variance of age of consent by state in the US, along with other differences by US locale.

It's disappointing no matter how it shakes out, if the women/girls are scamming him it sucks that people would do that and they are rotten people, and if he's guilty then it's a disgusting thing he did and he's a terrible human

Everything we know about the Wander Franco investigation

On Tuesday, MLB announced that Wander Franco was placed on administrative leave. What does that mean -- and what could be next?

www.espn.com

I mean, it could be both.

 

[Unholy Diver]

I mean, it could be both.

Which would make everyone an asshole I guess

Reminds me of the old tagline for the Alien Vs Predator movie

Whoever wins... We lose.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Sounds like the laws in the DR are a bit more straightforward, age of consent is 18, and anyone 18+ messing with anyone under 18 is a crime, much more black & white than the variance of age of consent by state in the US, along with other differences by US locale.

It's disappointing no matter how it shakes out, if the women/girls are scamming him it sucks that people would do that and they are rotten people, and if he's guilty then it's a disgusting thing he did and he's a terrible human

Everything we know about the Wander Franco investigation

On Tuesday, MLB announced that Wander Franco was placed on administrative leave. What does that mean -- and what could be next?

www.espn.com

Yes, but I'm sure there are cases where even if that happened they might not pursue charges. Let's say a high school senior who's 18 dated a high school junior who was 16 or they had an encounter. then years later, they bring that relationship up because that senior went on to be rich etc.

I'm not saying that's what happened here, there's still little to no details which is mind boggling to me that a team's best player who's competing for a WS can be suspended like this and there's no real substantiated information out there in the public.

From that Passan ESPN article..

"About a month earlier, a different girl contacted police to discuss Franco, according to Diario Libre, a Dominican newspaper. Prosecutors in Peravia, the Dominican province where Franco grew up, acknowledged that an investigation into him is open and being run by a unit that focuses on minors and gender violence. The lead prosecutor, Olga Dina Llaverias, is well known in the country as a specialist in child abuse cases."

I mean what would be the hold up...? if someone reported this to LE in the United States, they would move to arrest the person quickly if there was any real evidence that it happened.

 

[Unholy Diver]

Yes, but I'm sure there are cases where even if that happened they might not pursue charges. Let's say a high school senior who's 18 dated a high school junior who was 16 or they had an encounter. then years later, they bring that relationship up because that senior went on to be rich etc.

I'm not saying that's what happened here, there's still little to no details which is mind boggling to me that a team's best player who's competing for a WS can be suspended like this and there's no real substantiated information out there in the public.

From that Passan ESPN article..

"About a month earlier, a different girl contacted police to discuss Franco, according to Diario Libre, a Dominican newspaper. Prosecutors in Peravia, the Dominican province where Franco grew up, acknowledged that an investigation into him is open and being run by a unit that focuses on minors and gender violence. The lead prosecutor, Olga Dina Llaverias, is well known in the country as a specialist in child abuse cases."

I mean what would be the hold up...? if someone reported this to LE in the United States, they would move to arrest the person quickly if there was any real evidence that it happened.

It does mention that there are no "Romeo & Juliet" rules that allow an adult and underage person to be in a relationship even if the ages are close

I would guess that the holdups are them doing the investigation to gather enough evidence to decide if a crime was committed and if they can make a case, as well as the fact Franco is in the US, I don't know that the DR can send a swat team into Florida to snatch him up

 

[Filthy Dangles]

It does mention that there are no "Romeo & Juliet" rules that allow an adult and underage person to be in a relationship even if the ages are close

I would guess that the holdups are them doing the investigation to gather enough evidence to decide if a crime was committed and if they can make a case, as well as the fact Franco is in the US, I don't know that the DR can send a swat team into Florida to snatch him up

But if we were to assume it was the scenario i laid out as an example, you really think he would be pursued criminally? I can't see that, at all.

Yes, laws are laws and black and white, but enforcing them as such are a different story.

That's why I keep saying the details are key in this case.

 

[Unholy Diver]

But if we were to assume it was the scenario i laid out as an example, you really think he would be pursued criminally? I can't see that, at all.

Laws are laws and black and white, but enforcing them as such are a different story.

That's why I keep saying the details are key in this case.

Yeah details are very key, at this point all we can do is wait and see what happens

 

[Neutrinos]

If history wasn't filled with 18+ year old men sleeping with 14 year olds, none of us would be here

 

[TheBeastCoast]

If history wasn't filled with 18+ year old men sleeping with 14 year olds, none of us would be here

What a wild take. Are you trying to white wash sleeping with underage children because people used to do it? There is a lot of things people did in history that isn't okay anymore. An adult having sex with a child is definitely one of those things.

 

[Dr Pepper]

Saw this in one of the many twitter replies covering this story, I wonder how much (if any) truth there is to it.

Certainly comes across a little different than the idea of him dating a 14 year old NOW.

Now, he could still be doing that, I don't know, so I hope the truth comes out soon enough and we can figure out what exactly is going on.

 

[Unholy Diver]

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Saw this in one of the many twitter replies covering this story, I wonder how much (if any) truth there is to it.

Certainly comes across a little different than the idea of him dating a 14 year old NOW.

Now, he could still be doing that, I don't know, so I hope the truth comes out soon enough and we can figure out what exactly is going on.

I can't wrap my head around parents approving a 13 y/o to date a 17 y/o or to date anyone for that matter, it certainly wouldn't fly in my household

 

[Dr Pepper]

I can't wrap my head around parents approving a 13 y/o to date a 17 y/o or to date anyone for that matter, it certainly wouldn't fly in my household

Something something this kid's going to be worth millions soon so let's get on board, would be my guess.