- Oct 23, 2014
- 29,944
- 42,410
Proposal: One of Kreider/Zuccarello for Pesce
- Thread starter Filthy Dangles
- Start date
HabsQC
Registered User
Quietly become a top-4 RHD on a stacked Canes defense at an ELC-age while being expansion-exempt?
I'm not sure he's worth Kreider, but I am sure that he doesn't get moved unless he fetches a premium.
While Pesce no question does command a premium, Kreider is way off limits. His speed and beast factor is the dominant element in driving our offense; more so than any other playa on da roster. Not sure I do Kreider for Hanifin, either.
In fact have been too busy to start new thread, but is tangent to discussion here pertaining to value, my suggestion is:
Zib + Pirri + Ranger 1st
for
Hanifin + Murphy + Canes 2nd, return of Ranger 2nd + acceptable cap dump pref. Bickel, 4.0 expiring
That hurts cause we see how fab Zib is w/Kreider, but a 1C 5th OA equates w/Hanny nicely. Swap of picks addresses ELC factor, though Canes have enough depth to do this.
returning from tangent to the OP,
Zuc for Pesce is a solid 1:1 core for a package,
if you prefer a C to a W we can put Stepan on the able instead
Wouldn't deal either for Pesce, even though he would be a top 4 RH blue liner, those pieces are too valuable.
MMC
Global Moderator
Savant
Registered User
- Oct 3, 2013
- 38,367
- 11,469
Feed Me A Stray Cat
Registered User
What has Pesce done to prove himself? I get there's a lot of potential there, and he's really young, but after 81 games it seems like a bit of a reach to give up someone like Zuccarello for him.
He has not been impressive offensively from a shots or points angle (not that that means a whole lot), and he has been below average in possession play. I'm sure he could improve, but doesn't seem like a win now team like the Rangers would have much interest.
He has not been impressive offensively from a shots or points angle (not that that means a whole lot), and he has been below average in possession play. I'm sure he could improve, but doesn't seem like a win now team like the Rangers would have much interest.
Tender Rip
Wears long pants
Value goes Kreider > Zucc >>> Pesce.
And yes, I've seen Pesce play and like him a lot, but it is a solid top 4 Dman and nothing more, doesn't have potential to be an offensive catalyst from the D, which is what we need. He's on his ELC, but Kreider and Zucc are much more valuable players.
I'm willing to bet that 99.9% of non-Canes fans have never watched Pesce play more than 3-4 games (which I don't blame them, the Canes are fairly unwatchable). Why do these threads keep popping up? All opposing team fans are going to say no to any offer that a Canes fan would find reasonable because they have rarely watched him play. Why would someone hypothetically agree to trade away a key piece from their team for a guy they know nothing about.
One Winged Angel
You Can't Escape
He's a good young defender but why the hell would the Rangers move Zuccarello or Kreider for him.
The raging hard-on for this guy needs to stop.
The raging hard-on for this guy needs to stop.
Zucc could easily be on a 6M contract if he'd have hit open market. I'm more than glad to spend 4.5 on him. I can't understand why so many Rangers fans don't care about trading him.
Tender Rip
Wears long pants
Zucc on a 6 million contract would just signify that someone overpaid to a hilarious extent.
He is a nifty player and all, but jeez.
He's on a sweet contract - which makes him more valuable to any team that cares about the Cap (ie: not the Canes).
Also, Zucc is only signed for two seasons after this one. Realistically the Canes aren't competing in that time frame. By contrast, Pesce is a guaranteed asset who is cost controlled for at least another 6 years. Pesce will be hitting his prime and signed for another 3+ years by the time the Canes are "hopefully" becoming a contender.
In summary: It makes no sense for the Canes.
One Winged Angel
You Can't Escape
Idlerlee
Registered User
- Apr 19, 2013
- 4,227
- 806
thanks
please elaborate why a 5OA top C and comparable RD as a core swap is "awful".
Agreed, if all other things are =; Zuc return is closer to Shatty, Trouba, or perhaps most accurately, Vatanen.
However, this year all things are not =.
We have limitations on only 3 exemptions in the draft
Sure, we likely could buy out Girardi, but that may be a big cap hit; better to eat half the salary and overpay to have someone take him.
Adding a D who is exempt is HUGE
if they guy is like 6 years ish cost controlled that is beyond huge.
While that is still not a fair equalizer, as a core it is a basis for a package.
Issue is not he is underpaid; issue is that is why his value is higher, cause it is not only his production but also what he costs. You can milk that internally OR max that value and swap for need.
Yes and no.
The canes have space so they are not as crushed in need to get production on a sweetheart deal basis
However, that doesn't mean they benefit from passing up another good deal
Pesce is great deal as ELC
Zuc at 4.5 is a great deal.
We can split hairs decide what adds would mutually work, and do a deal or not.
Rangers need RD and are looking
Canes need scoring Ws and presumably are looking.
So this makes no sense because....
Because three years from now when the Canes are actually ready to compete Zuccarello will be a UFA while Pesce will still have another 3+ years of guaranteed, cost-controlled top-4 impact in his prime.
WesMcCauley
Registered User
- Apr 24, 2015
- 8,616
- 2,600
Thats just wrong. Look at Lucic´s contract, Backes´contract, Hartnells contract, Dubinsky´s contract, Ladd´s contract. Zucc scored 59 points the year he signed his UFA contract with NYR. 61 last season. He is a great twoway player, top 20 takeaway player three years in a row. Zucc signed his contract as a 27 year old UFA. He could easily have gotten 5,5+ if he hit the open market as a UFA.
Last edited:
