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expatriatedtexan

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I read on ESPN that Bednar had a conversation with the league. He said he understands their point, and thinks that they understand his. And that's basically it. No info on what was discussed or said... which I would expect because it was probalby a quasi dressing down of Bednar for speaking in public.

But my question remains...does anyone know when the officials SHALL blow the whistle vs when they are allowed to blow the whistle based on their judgement? Is there a difference? Is it always a judgement call? I really don't understand.
 
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expatriatedtexan said:
I read on ESPN that Bednar had a conversation with the league. He said he understands their point, and thinks that they understand his. And that's basically it. No info on what was discussed or said... which I would expect because it was probalby a quasi dressing down of Bednar for speaking in public.

But my question remains...does anyone know when the officials SHALL blow the whistle. And when the officials are allowed to blow the whistle based on their judgement? Is there a difference? Is it always a judgement call? I really don't understand.
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How about this stupid ass bush league picks something concrete, like if there's a player with an obvious injury on the side of the ice where the puck is gets the play blown dead automatically. If it's a goalie, treat it like the net is off or his mask came off and blow the whistle quickly before something stupid happens. If they are worried about sneaky goalers faking injury to stop a play, then make a rule that they have to come out for the rest of the period whether they are able to continue or not. It shouldn't be so hard to have consistency on rules, as the purpose of rules is to follow them as written. Then again, look at the DOPS and their dartboard methods -- maybe the NHL thinks it makes them more interesting to be so unpredictable. I just don't want something really bad to happen to a player who is down because of letting play go on. Unfortunately that's probably what it'd take.
 
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Gumballhead said:
How about this stupid ass bush league picks something concrete, like if there's a player with an obvious injury on the side of the ice where the puck is gets the play blown dead automatically. If it's a goalie, treat it like the net is off or his mask came off and blow the whistle quickly before something stupid happens. If they are worried about sneaky goalers faking injury to stop a play, then make a rule that they have to come out for the rest of the period whether they are able to continue or not. It shouldn't be so hard to have consistency on rules, as the purpose of rules is to follow them as written. Then again, look at the DOPS and their dartboard methods -- maybe the NHL thinks it makes them more interesting to be so unpredictable. I just don't want something really bad to happen to a player who is down because of letting play go on. Unfortunately that's probably what it'd take.
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The problem with making an automatic call is that we have very well known divers and the league has never clamped down on it (by allowing officials to call both a penalty and a dive...the dumbest thing in the world). There would have to be some sort of rule that if the officials blow the play dead for a player, they are down for at least X amount of time. Not sure how to quantify it, but y'all know what I'm talking about.

Ultimately though, player safety must be put first. I was absolutely horrified watching Calvert down on the ice with blood coming out of his head.
 
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The rules are pretty clear, if a player is injured blow the play dead, unless it's an Avs then delay the whistle as much as The Hague Tribunal will allow.
 
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Metallo said:
The rules are pretty clear, if a player is injured blow the play dead, unless it's an Avs then delay the whistle as much as The Hague Tribunal will allow.
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I'm trying to not devolve into theatrics. Bednar stated he understood their position. That means the league has a position and I'd really like to hear what it was.

Bednar specifically said something along the lines of, "I don't mean to say agree to disagree but..." So, I'd be fascinated to know what the distinction the NHL is making. I get the whole wait until the team regains possession part. It's the part afterwards that says, an offical can make the determination that an injury "is serious enough to warrant stopping play immediately." I want to know what the officials are instructed on this? They didn't do it for Calvert, they didn't do it for Wedgie. They do seem to do it for players we are playing against from time to time though. Maybe I'm mis-remembering times where they did blow the play dead for an Avalanche player. :dunno:
 
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expatriatedtexan said:
I'm trying to not devolve into theatrics. Bednar stated he understood their position. That means the league has a position and I'd really like to hear what it was.

Bednar specifically said something along the lines of, "I don't mean to say agree to disagree but..." So, I'd be fascinated to know what the distinction the NHL is making. I get the whole wait until the team regains possession part. It's the part afterwards that says, an offical can make the determination that an injury "is serious enough to warrant stopping play immediately." I want to know what the officials are instructed on this? They didn't do it for Calvert, they didn't do it for Wedgie. They do seem to do it for players we are playing against from time to time though. Maybe I'm mis-remembering times where they did blow the play dead for an Avalanche player. :dunno:
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They didn't do it for Zadorov either.

 
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If I remember right, the Calvert one was way worse. He ended up with a concussion, and while he did come back, was another major blow in his career ending.
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I still remember him bleeding onto the ice, and even Pettersson hesitated because he was fully expecting the refs to blow the whistle.
 
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expatriatedtexan said:
I'm trying to not devolve into theatrics. Bednar stated he understood their position. That means the league has a position and I'd really like to hear what it was.

Bednar specifically said something along the lines of, "I don't mean to say agree to disagree but..." So, I'd be fascinated to know what the distinction the NHL is making. I get the whole wait until the team regains possession part. It's the part afterwards that says, an offical can make the determination that an injury "is serious enough to warrant stopping play immediately." I want to know what the officials are instructed on this? They didn't do it for Calvert, they didn't do it for Wedgie. They do seem to do it for players we are playing against from time to time though. Maybe I'm mis-remembering times where they did blow the play dead for an Avalanche player. :dunno:
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To be fair, the bolded are vastly different situations. One absolutely is a play that is serious to a players health and the other isn’t.

The issue I have is the consistency. They blow plays dead all the time for less and to top it off, they aren’t playing the most impactful position in the sport. I know most here won’t agree with me and it’ll probably incite some people but I’m pissed strictly on the fact that the whistle is blown 9 out of 10 times there. We got screwed there due to consistency and that’s why I was pisse personally.
 
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I've got 2 of them (Blackwood and Kochetkov)
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I have Lankinen and Adin Hill as well. My Goalies to start the year were Adin Hill and Jarry. I grabbed Lankinen before the season started cause Demko was out (almost everyone thought the other kid from the playoffs last year was going to start), and got insanely lucky there. Kochetkov was available when Anderson went down, so I grabbed him before the guy that had Anderson did, and dropped Jarry. Blackwood wasn't drafted and was just sitting there when the trade went down, so I snatched him up ASAP. Went from having a really shitty goalie situation to the top group in my league.
 
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