Recalled/Assigned: Oliver Kapanen Will Be Assigned to Laval

[Tyson]

??

Toews was the Captain of a team that turned a blind eye away from some nefarious stuff.

 

[Andrei79]

He has significantly more puck skills than Evans had at his age imo. In fact, Evans didn't even play in the AHL at that age.

It's strange to me that people seem disappointed in Beck. He was called up out of necessity and was not ready for the NHL. Tomas Plekanec would look out of place if we called him up in his first season.

I think it mostly comes from how he looked after getting sent down. If he played all year like he did before I think the discourse would be less tempered.

 

[26Mats]

Laval is really stacked in all positions. It's a good experience for Kapanen, but like everyone else I just don't see who they'll sit.

Simoneau or RHP?

If Kapanen can show he's too good for the AHL, that could cause Hughes to make a spot for him in Montreal.

 

[Treb]

They don't publish ice time in the AHL? Logic IS the F with the least TOI.

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Incorrect.

Physical play is an integral part of AHL play.

The prime candidate for getting replaced is RHP, not any of the 4th line.

 

[26Mats]

Incorrect.

Physical play is an integral part of AHL play.

The prime candidate for getting replaced is RHP, not any of the 4th line.

So Beck is playing wing?

Does Fowler keep the starters job if he plays well, or will they go back to Primeau?

 

[Treb]

So Beck is pl as ying wing?

Does Fowler keep the starters job if he plays well, or will they go back to Primeau?

Sometimes

AFAIK, the plan is to run with Fowler for now. Who knows what happens.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

He has significantly more puck skills than Evans had at his age imo. In fact, Evans didn't even play in the AHL at that age.

It's strange to me that people seem disappointed in Beck. He was called up out of necessity and was not ready for the NHL. Tomas Plekanec would look out of place if we called him up in his first season.

People crapping on Kapanen and Beck for underwhelming NHL performances are an embarrassment to the reputation of Montreal fans as these are comments of unknowledgeable fans that should be coming from the southern states and not from the Mecca of hockey.

 

[DAChampion]

People crapping on Kapanen and Beck for underwhelming NHL performances are an embarrassment to the reputation of Montreal fans as these are comments of unknowledgeable fans that should be coming from the southern states and not from the Mecca of hockey.

It's a little understandable as we've been spoiled in recent memory here.

Subban, Gallagher, Romanov, Suzuki, Caulfield, Hutson were all effective NHL players in their D+3 seasons.

But we can also remember those that took longer, Danault, Pacioretty, Lehkonen, Petry, Evans, I'm sure in forgetting some.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

It's a little understandable as we've been spoiled in recent memory here.

Subban, Gallagher, Romanov, Suzuki, Caulfield, Hutson were all effective NHL players in their D+3 seasons.

But we can also remember those that took longer, Danault, Pacioretty, Lehkonen, Petry, Evans, I'm sure in forgetting some.

Most of the fan base foolishly couldn't stand Lehkonen until his final season but I agree that expectations are unreasonably high based on a handful of past successes over the last 15 years. Simple people look for and magnify anecdotal evidence while remaining oblivious to the macro and the reality that is anchored in larger samples of empirical evidence

The vast majority of middle 6 NHL forwards take longer than 3 years to make an impact in the NHL and neither of Beck or Kapanen are expected to be anywhere as good as most of the players listed above. Gallagher and Lehkonen would be the only remotely reasonable names there as projected comparables. Romanov is a difficult comparison as he had almost zero offensive contributions as a D+3 but was still a pleasant surprise. The D+3 season is exactly the year that you can expect the majority of decent prospects to make their cameo but not make an impact. D+5 is the real goal for these types of prospects to be responsible NHL regulars as the D+4 is more typically a prolonged stay in the NHL where the player starts to actually refine their game at the highest level.

I am not necessarily sold on Beck as a player that will provide significant offence but it is too early to tell. Kapanen just needs to fill out a little more as he has always competed in the dirty areas. It is perfectly fine for fans to offer balanced opinions but the overtly negative stuff is just flat out embarrassing and has no place in a meaningful conversation.

Sorry about the rant as I think you and I are generally in agreement here.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Confirmed by his agent, who told Cloutier that this is great for his development and could help him compete for an NHL spot next year.

How is Kapanen eligible? Was he on the Clear Day roster? Was he demoted with Dobes, Beck and Roy?

 

[HabsAddict]

Kapanen was the best player on the ice for game 3.

 

[montreal]

How is Kapanen eligible? Was he on the Clear Day roster? Was he demoted with Dobes, Beck and Roy?

I asked around on twitter but no one seems to know. He was not paper traded since he was in the SHL. The only guess I could come up with is that Hutson and Demidov signed after the trade deadline but Kapanen signed in the off-season. I didn't know that was a thing though and I thought him coming back and playing in the playoffs for sure would have meant he can't be sent down.

I found this article but they also said he wasn't eligible,

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[Boss Man Hughes]

People crapping on Kapanen and Beck for underwhelming NHL performances are an embarrassment to the reputation of Montreal fans as these are comments of unknowledgeable fans that should be coming from the southern states and not from the Mecca of hockey.

Agreed

 

[schwang26]

I thought Kapanen looked much more comfortable in game 4. If he keeps going, he’ll be fine at that level. Don’t forget, he’s basically started his career playing playoff hockey. That’s not easy. Beck looked better that night too. I think Gignac was on their line? He just came back from a long injury. We can’t expect that line to gel instantly.

 

[LaP]

I asked around on twitter but no one seems to know. He was not paper traded since he was in the SHL. The only guess I could come up with is that Hutson and Demidov signed after the trade deadline but Kapanen signed in the off-season. I didn't know that was a thing though and I thought him coming back and playing in the playoffs for sure would have meant he can't be sent down.

I found this article but they also said he wasn't eligible,

Le Rocket de Laval pourrait obtenir du renfort de qualité pour les séries !

Quels joueurs pourraient rejoindre le Rocket de Laval pour les séries éliminatoires ? Découvrez-le maintenant.

www.toutsurlehockey.com

Unless i'm mistaken a player must have signed before the TDL to play in the AHL playoffs.

Kapanen was signed before the season starts. He was loaned to the SHL team.

 

[montreal]

Unless i'm mistaken a player must have signed before the TDL to play in the AHL playoffs.

Kapanen was signed before the season starts. He was loaned to the SHL team.

Which makes sense but then he played in the NHL and wasn't paper traded to Laval at the deadline like Beck and Dobes were. Now maybe they didn't have to paper trade him since he was in the SHL but I thought because he played in the NHL he had to be paper traded by the trade deadline.

 

[LaP]

Which makes sense but then he played in the NHL and wasn't paper traded to Laval at the deadline like Beck and Dobes were. Now maybe they didn't have to paper trade him since he was in the SHL but I thought because he played in the NHL he had to be paper traded by the trade deadline.

I think you are ineligible only if you are on a NHL roster by the TDL. Kapanen was loaned to the SHL instead of the AHL but i think from a paper perspective it's considered the same as he's not in the NHL but is signed by Montreal.

 

[montreal]

I think you are ineligible only if you are on a NHL roster by the TDL. Kapanen was loaned to the SHL instead of the AHL but i think from a paper perspective it's considered the same as he's not in the NHL but is signed by Montreal.

I thought it's if you play in the NHL during the season, you can't play in the AHL after the trade deadline but it makes sense that by loaning him to the SHL, since you wouldn't paper trade an SHL player, but then he came back and played in the playoffs so for me that for sure should have meant no way can he be sent down.

 

[LaP]

I thought it's if you play in the NHL during the season, you can't play in the AHL after the trade deadline but it makes sense that by loaning him to the SHL, since you wouldn't paper trade an SHL player, but then he came back and played in the playoffs so for me that for sure should have meant no way can he be sent down.

Nah pertty sure but not certain the rule is you must not be on the NHL roster by the TDL. If you pass the TDL on the NHL roster you are ineligible. If you pass the TDL on the AHL roster or in Europe (while being signed) you are eligible. NOt 100% sure but almost.

 

[montreal]

Nah pertty sure but not certain the rule is you must not be on the NHL roster by the TDL. If you pass the TDL on the NHL roster you are ineligible. If you pass the TDL on the AHL roster or in Europe (while being signed) you are eligible. NOt 100% sure but almost.

it must be the case since he's allowed to play despite being in the NHL twice.

 

[BJCOLLINS]

After watching Roy’s effort (or lack of) so far in the playoffs I can’t imagine Kapanen wouldn’t be an obvious improvement? Kapanen’s skating alone is light years ahead of Roy!

Rochester will be tougher test so we’ll need to play with more pace and an in your face effort.

ps Fowler has looked solid & his rebound control is elite.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

After watching Roy’s effort (or lack of) so far in the playoffs I can’t imagine Kapanen wouldn’t be an obvious improvement? Kapanen’s skating alone is light years ahead of Roy!

Rochester will be tougher test so we’ll need to play with more pace and an in your face effort.

ps Fowler has looked solid & his rebound control is elite.

Kapanen and Roy are two players going in different directions: one will soon be saying good bye to the AHL and the other good bye to the Canadiens' organization. If you can't figure out which player is which,, then you haven't been watching these last two Laval games very closely.

 

[CzarDemidov]

Sorry about the rant

Unlikely

 

[MasterD]

I'm not seeing the offense so far with Kapanen.

I'll admit I'm not familiar with him so much, didn't read his scouting reports and stuff, but outside of skating, I haven't seen anything special.

So far he kind of reminds me of Newhook, but with better positioning defensively.

Not sold.

 

[LaP]

Kapanen and Roy are two players going in different directions: one will soon be saying good bye to the AHL and the other good bye to the Canadiens' organization. If you can't figure out which player is which,, then you haven't been watching these last two Laval games very closely.

Kapanen will always have the advatage to be a more complete player. Even if he becomes a 30 points player at the NHL level he'll likely have a career. Roy can't afford to not be a 50+ points guy which he is unlikely to become.