Speculation: Oliver Ekman-Larsson

[RABBIT]

Our beat writer thinks that the Coyotes front office/coaching staff and OEL are at odds and neither side is happy with one another. There is a chance that he’s moved when a new general manager comes in to play. Where could he go and at what cost? Still think he is a great defenseman, just hasn’t worked under Tocchet and may not be captain material.

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[Rabid Ranger]

He might be a guy that benefits from losing the C.

 

[Toby Flenderson]

If they want picks and prospects they could probably get a decent haul. If they still want to remain competitive Pittsburgh can offer Dumoulin++

Maybe Dumo+Rust+15OA for OEL+Fischer+41OA

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

12th + 2021 2nd + Yandle or Matheson.

 

[Linds]

He's definitely on the decline as an offensive D man, but for sure a top 4 d man on any team on the league. That contact is going to hurt his value though

 

[Forge]

He's definitely on the decline as an offensive D man, but for sure a top 4 d man on any team on the league. That contact is going to hurt his value though

Is he? I feel like it's hard to tell given he plays for Arizona if I'm being honest

 

[RABBIT]

Is he? I feel like it's hard to tell given he plays for Arizona if I'm being honest

u right my guy. Our team can’t score, I blame Tocchet and Tippett.

 

[Linds]

Is he? I feel like it's hard to tell given he plays for Arizona if I'm being honest

I think so, he used to put up 50+ point seasons and play 25+ mins a night on the top pair. In the series against the Avs he looked aged for sure

 

[bernmeister]

Our beat writer thinks that the Coyotes front office/coaching staff and OEL are at odds and neither side is happy with one another. There is a chance that he’s moved when a new general manager comes in to play. Where could he go and at what cost? Still think he is a great defenseman, just hasn’t worked under Tocchet and may not be captain material.

Again, thank you for your service.
THAT can not be said enough.

The first ? you have to ask/answer is what is TOR going to do?
In order to field a balanced team, how far do they go?
Trade Marner?
Trade Matthews???

If a 3rd team w/other assets was involved [another thread on this board had Eichel and Buf, but not nec going there];
IF IF IF another team or 2 wanted to broker to make a little profit,
THEN, the ? is what is too much on the table for Leafs to reject?
And could/would Coyotes go there and pay that price to get Matthews?

I only give that scenario 20% max, but it has to be assessed.
That is the first decision, b'c it will suck the lion's share of assets, likely incl. OEL.

No guarantee what is left competes on day 1, but you do have a favorite son building block to work with. [Make sure a lifetime extension in place before the deal.]

Now, after that mathematical possibility is likely eliminated, you need to evaluate what assets you want to hold, and what you want to sell.
If a club in need of LD like MON offers higher range of market price, it is something to consider.

 

[Morbo]

For me what hurts his value is that he appears content with losing.

 

[Just Linda]

Man this seems like a trade Habs would love to be on.

Drouin + 1st

 

[Rabid Ranger]

I think so, he used to put up 50+ point seasons and play 25+ mins a night on the top pair. In the series against the Avs he looked aged for sure

He's scored 50 points in a season once in his career, and that was four years ago. He's a good player but I think is a bit overrated.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

To CHI to replace Seabrook?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Again, thank you for your service.
THAT can not be said enough.

The first ? you have to ask/answer is what is TOR going to do?
In order to field a balanced team, how far do they go?
Trade Marner?
Trade Matthews???

If a 3rd team w/other assets was involved [another thread on this board had Eichel and Buf, but not nec going there];
IF IF IF another team or 2 wanted to broker to make a little profit,
THEN, the ? is what is too much on the table for Leafs to reject?
And could/would Coyotes go there and pay that price to get Matthews?

I only give that scenario 20% max, but it has to be assessed.
That is the first decision, b'c it will suck the lion's share of assets, likely incl. OEL.

No guarantee what is left competes on day 1, but you do have a favorite son building block to work with. [Make sure a lifetime extension in place before the deal.]

Now, after that mathematical possibility is likely eliminated, you need to evaluate what assets you want to hold, and what you want to sell.
If a club in need of LD like MON offers higher range of market price, it is something to consider.

Neither Marner or Matthews are being traded

 

[PensandCaps]

If they want picks and prospects they could probably get a decent haul. If they still want to remain competitive Pittsburgh can offer Dumoulin++

Maybe Dumo+Rust+15OA for OEL+Fischer+41OA

lol no

 

[Captain Mountain]

I haven't really super impressed with his play that last while (compared to his very impressive previous standard), but the bigger issue with Arizona moving him is that:

1) He's got a full NMC;
2) Arizona likely doesn't want to take big money/cap back; and
3) He's got a hefty bonus next season of his deal and his salary jumps the year after.

So you have to think of teams that need LD, would want him, don't care about protecting him in the expansion draft (meaning they don't have a glut of other high end D that they'd prefer to protect), teams that have cap and budget space for him without sending a ton of real money back AND teams that OEL is willing to go to. Assuming there are a number of them, then you try to build a bidding war and see what you can get.

But it seems so much easier for Arizona to just keep him. Its probably easier to move another veteran D on an expiring contract and shake up the leadership a different way.

 

[dahrougem2]

Ekman-Larsson has always been overrated. He's good, not great, offensively and he isn't very good defensively. In fact he's quite often abused by other teams' top lines if he's ever matched up against them.

The Coyotes might be able to dupe some GM on name recognition alone, but he's not a defensemen I'd want on my top pairing and for 8.25M per season, you'd better be a capable top pairing defensemen.

 

[RationalExpectations]

Ekman-Larsson has always been overrated. He's good, not great, offensively and he isn't very good defensively. In fact he's quite often abused by other teams' top lines if he's ever matched up against them.

The Coyotes might be able to dupe some GM on name recognition alone, but he's not a defensemen I'd want on my top pairing and for 8.25M per season, you'd better be a capable top pairing defensemen.

Yep exactly my thought. If on one hand I understand people saying he plays in ARI that hurts his value. The same people will tell you the same about Hall, Schmaltz, Keller and co but the fact is that maybe those guys do not deserve their contracts at all.

 

[Gurglesons]

OEL is a very good powerplay guy. Overpaid to stay in Zona.

 

[bernmeister]

Neither Marner or Matthews are being traded

Marner there is a shot. Cap pressure is forcing that or undesired alternatives.

Matthew is almost no shot, but he is not a lifer for TOR.
There is no urgency to move him now, just make sure if he elects to go elsewhere, you don't wait til the last minute to take min haul back.

That said, it is conceivable that given severe cap constraints, since Tavares has NMC, Matthews is an option if too much is on the table to turn down,

 

[Morbo]

Matthew is almost no shot, but he is not a lifer for TOR.

anything else from the crystal ball?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Marner there is a shot. Cap pressure is forcing that or undesired alternatives.

Matthew is almost no shot, but he is not a lifer for TOR.
There is no urgency to move him now, just make sure if he elects to go elsewhere, you don't wait til the last minute to take min haul back.

That said, it is conceivable that given severe cap constraints, since Tavares has NMC, Matthews is an option if too much is on the table to turn down,

There is no shot Marner gets moved Dubas has already shut that shit down rather bluntly.

I can't figure out why everybody thinks Matthews is leaving in 4 years, I get that Tavares went to Toronto, but he went there because the Leafs had Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Kadri, Rielly and Andersen already in place that's why he signed here and why Stamkos didn't because most of that core wasn't in place for Stamkos, if going home mattered Tavares wouldn't ve here because Stamkos would be.

Arizona doesn't have that core and never will because they don't have money, not talking about cap space talking about money, they have been bleeding money since 96, the NHL owned them, if the NHL owns you or has owned you, you don't have money now with no fans in the stands it will get worse.

The Leafs will offer whatever the max is when the time comes

 

[Boyesfan]

I can't figure out why everybody thinks Matthews is leaving in 4 years, I get that Tavares went to Toronto, but he went there because the Leafs had Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Kadri, Rielly and Andersen already in place that's why he signed here

It’s just just like people saying Petro is going home to Toronto. Every fan thinks there home town boy is going to come back and play for them at a discount. In this case it’s worse than normal because of Arizona not being a huge production spot of hockey players.

 

[IranCondraAffair]

Could be an interesting contract to move because there is so many options scenario-wise and they all have different styles of returns. He's a solid player and not egregiously overpaid, so there is some value there.

1. If Hall agrees to re-sign, you can bite the bullet and dump him to a team like NJD or Ottawa for picks and try and sign bargains in FA to make up value and stay competitive.

2. You can opt for a "hockey trade" to keep the team competitive. They might have to do this to keep having a shot at retaining Hall, unfortunately, they'd have to shed salary in the trade to keep Hall which hurts a player's return. I think this is the most likely scenario and I think it is the one that hurts the return the most.

3. You can dump him for the best combo of picks and prospects and start a rebuild if Hall leaves (maybe not the best off-season to try this though)

Going to be an interesting off-season.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

I wonder if Yotes will ever get their shit together.. seems like it's always 1 thing after another every offseason.

They could be such a hotbed for free agents to go to if they could figure out their constant ownership issues that seem to happen yearly and other issues.